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Re: Are Extreme Weather Events a Sign of . . . . ?
[Re: Green Cochoa]
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12/06/13 07:52 AM
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APL,
If God asked you to do something that you believed was not His "Plan A," but rather His "Plan B," would you do it? If so, would you believe it was a sin for you to do it?
Blessings,
Green Cochoa. If man had kept the law of God, as given to Adam after his fall, preserved by Noah, and observed by Abraham, there would have been no necessity for the ordinance of circumcision. And if the descendants of Abraham had kept the covenant, of which circumcision was a sign, they would never have been seduced into idolatry, nor would it have been necessary for them to suffer a life of bondage in Egypt; they would have kept God's law in mind, and there would have been no necessity for it to be proclaimed from Sinai or engraved upon the tables of stone. And had the people practiced the principles of the Ten Commandments, there would have been no need of the additional directions given to Moses. {PP 364.2} Hm - how many plans are in this one paragraph? Hm...
Oh, that men might open their minds to know God as he is revealed in his Son! {ST, January 20, 1890}
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Re: Are Extreme Weather Events a Sign of . . . . ?
[Re: Green Cochoa]
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12/06/13 07:55 AM
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APL,
If God asked you to do something that you believed was not His "Plan A," but rather His "Plan B," would you do it? If so, would you believe it was a sin for you to do it?
Blessings,
Green Cochoa.
We can receive of heaven's light only as we are willing to be emptied of self. We can discern the character of God, and accept Christ by faith, only as we consent to the bringing into captivity of every thought to the obedience of Christ. And to all who do this, the Holy Spirit is given without measure. In Christ "dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily. And ye are complete in Him." [Colossians 2:9, 10.] {GW 57.1} -- Ellen White.
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Re: Are Extreme Weather Events a Sign of . . . . ?
[Re: Green Cochoa]
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12/06/13 07:58 AM
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APL,
If God asked you to do something that you believed was not His "Plan A," but rather His "Plan B," would you do it? If so, would you believe it was a sin for you to do it?
Blessings,
Green Cochoa. Tell me Green, was Israel supposed to fight their way in to Canaan with the sword? What that's God plan all along? Yes or no?
Oh, that men might open their minds to know God as he is revealed in his Son! {ST, January 20, 1890}
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Re: Are Extreme Weather Events a Sign of . . . . ?
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12/06/13 08:09 AM
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You truly do not have the ability to answer clear questions--is that what you mean to tell me? I think Mike has the same understanding.
Let's shorten the question:
"If God asked you to do something that you believed was not His "Plan A," but rather His "Plan B," would you do it?"
Blessings,
Green Cochoa.
We can receive of heaven's light only as we are willing to be emptied of self. We can discern the character of God, and accept Christ by faith, only as we consent to the bringing into captivity of every thought to the obedience of Christ. And to all who do this, the Holy Spirit is given without measure. In Christ "dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily. And ye are complete in Him." [Colossians 2:9, 10.] {GW 57.1} -- Ellen White.
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Re: Are Extreme Weather Events a Sign of . . . . ?
[Re: Green Cochoa]
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12/06/13 08:11 AM
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Tell me Green, was Israel supposed to fight their way in to Canaan with the sword? What that's God plan all along? Yes or no?
Oh, that men might open their minds to know God as he is revealed in his Son! {ST, January 20, 1890}
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Re: Are Extreme Weather Events a Sign of . . . . ?
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12/06/13 08:31 AM
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Why do you refuse to answer a simple question?
Only those who have something to hide need to dodge so much as you have been doing.
Think about it.
HINT: A "yes" or a "no" would answer the question I asked.
Blessings,
Green Cochoa.
We can receive of heaven's light only as we are willing to be emptied of self. We can discern the character of God, and accept Christ by faith, only as we consent to the bringing into captivity of every thought to the obedience of Christ. And to all who do this, the Holy Spirit is given without measure. In Christ "dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily. And ye are complete in Him." [Colossians 2:9, 10.] {GW 57.1} -- Ellen White.
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Re: Are Extreme Weather Events a Sign of . . . . ?
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12/06/13 09:31 AM
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Why do YOU refuse to answer a simple question?
Was Israel supposed to fight their way in to Canaan with the sword? Was that's God plan all along? Yes or no?
HINT: Yes or No.
BTW - How does God talk to us? By His word. That is what I will do by the power of God, because in me, I can do nothing.
Oh, that men might open their minds to know God as he is revealed in his Son! {ST, January 20, 1890}
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Re: Are Extreme Weather Events a Sign of . . . . ?
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12/06/13 09:39 AM
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APL,
I'll be happy to answer after you answer my question. This is your favorite avoidance tactic--ask a question in return. I've taken the bait before, only to never get an answer from you. I asked first, so you first.
"If God asked you to do something that you believed was not His "Plan A," but rather His "Plan B," would you do it?"
Blessings,
Green Cochoa.
We can receive of heaven's light only as we are willing to be emptied of self. We can discern the character of God, and accept Christ by faith, only as we consent to the bringing into captivity of every thought to the obedience of Christ. And to all who do this, the Holy Spirit is given without measure. In Christ "dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily. And ye are complete in Him." [Colossians 2:9, 10.] {GW 57.1} -- Ellen White.
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Re: Are Extreme Weather Events a Sign of . . . . ?
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12/06/13 09:52 AM
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APL,
I'll be happy to answer after you answer my question. This is your favorite avoidance tactic--ask a question in return. I've taken the bait before, only to never get an answer from you. I asked first, so you first.
"If God asked you to do something that you believed was not His "Plan A," but rather His "Plan B," would you do it?"
Blessings,
Green Cochoa. I answered the question.
Oh, that men might open their minds to know God as he is revealed in his Son! {ST, January 20, 1890}
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Re: Are Extreme Weather Events a Sign of . . . . ?
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12/06/13 03:46 PM
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M: Jesus commanded His chosen people to "smite" and "utterly destroy" His enemies. Those who obeyed He blessed. And those who disobeyed He cursed and killed.
A: No question! BUT - was this plan A? Nope. Does this prove that this is how God handles all such situations? Nope. This was God's permissive will, not His ideal will. Just as God gave instructions on how to handle adultery via polygamy and divorce. God's permissive will, not His ideal will. Jesus did not permit the Hebrews to "utterly destroy" His enemies - He commanded them to do it. Jesus does not command people to sin. Plan A involved Jesus using hornets and Hebrews to kill the men, women, and children in the Promised Land. Ideal? Of course not. Ideally A&E would have refused to disobey. Didn't happen. Ideally the Canaanites would have embraced Jesus as their Saviour. Didn't happen.
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