HOME CHAT ROOM #1 CHAT ROOM #2 Forum Topics Within The Last 7 Days REGISTER ENTER FORUMS BIBLE SCHOOL CONTACT US

Maritime 2nd Advent Believers OnLine Christian Family Fellowship Forums
(formerly Maritime SDA OnLine)
Consisting mainly of both members and friends of the Seventh-day Adventist Church
Welcomes and invites other members and friends of the Seventh-day Adventist Church to join us!

Click Here To Read Legal Notice & Disclaimer
Suggested a One Time Yearly $20 or Higher Donation Accepted Here to Help Cover the Yearly Expenses of Operating & Upgrading. We need at least $20 X 10 yearly donations.
Donations accepted: Here
ShoutChat Box
Newest Members
Andrew, Trainor, ekoorb1030, jibb555, MBloomfield
1325 Registered Users
Forum Statistics
Forums118
Topics9,224
Posts196,102
Members1,325
Most Online5,850
Feb 29th, 2020
Seventh-day Adventist Church In Canada Links
Seventh-day Adventist Church in Canada

Newfoundland & Labrador Mission

Maritime Conference

Quebec Conference

Ontario Conference

Manitoba-Saskatchewan Conference

Alberta Conference

British Columbia Conference

7 Top Posters(30 Days)
kland 19
Rick H 15
asygo 8
Daryl 2
October
S M T W T F S
1 2 3 4 5
6 7 8 9 10 11 12
13 14 15 16 17 18 19
20 21 22 23 24 25 26
27 28 29 30 31
Member Spotlight
dedication
dedication
Canada
Posts: 6,662
Joined: April 2004
Show All Member Profiles 
Today's Birthdays
No Birthdays
Live Space Station Tracking
Here is a link to show exactly where the Space Station is over earth right now: Click Here
Last 7 Pictures From Photo Gallery Forums
He hath set an harvest for thee
Rivers Of Living Water
He Leads Us To Green Pastures
Remember What God Has Done
Remember The Sabbath
"...whiter than snow..."
A Beautiful Spring Day
Who's Online
5 registered members (dedication, Karen Y, 3 invisible), 2,231 guests, and 8 spiders.
Key: Admin, Global Mod, Mod
Previous Thread
Next Thread
Print Thread
Rate Thread
Page 6 of 12 1 2 4 5 6 7 8 11 12
Re: Does the converted Christian have unknown defects of character? [Re: Rosangela] #172659
03/31/15 06:30 PM
03/31/15 06:30 PM
Mountain Man  Offline
SDA
Charter Member
Active Member 2019

20000+ Member
Joined: Oct 2000
Posts: 22,256
Southwest USA
Having them is not the same as sinning. If we don't know about them we cannot cherish them or act them out. If circumstances do not bring them to out attention they are a non-issue.

Re: Does the converted Christian have unknown defects of character? [Re: Rosangela] #172664
03/31/15 07:32 PM
03/31/15 07:32 PM
APL  Offline
SDA
Active Member 2020

5500+ Member
Joined: Feb 2011
Posts: 6,368
Western, USA
We can't act them out if don't know about them? Really?


Is conversion an one-time event? No.


Oh, that men might open their minds to know God as he is revealed in his Son! {ST, January 20, 1890}
Re: Does the converted Christian have unknown defects of character? [Re: Mountain Man] #172668
03/31/15 10:07 PM
03/31/15 10:07 PM
asygo  Offline
SDA
Active Member 2023

5500+ Member
Joined: Feb 2006
Posts: 5,615
California, USA
Originally Posted By: Mountain Man
Having them is not the same as sinning. If we don't know about them we cannot cherish them or act them out. If circumstances do not bring them to out attention they are a non-issue.

God would do well to make sure we don't ever encounter those circumstances, so we can all be sinless.

There are people who have been taught all their lives that having multiple wives is a good thing. Are they not guilty because they don't know any better?


By God's grace,
Arnold

1 John 5:11-13
And this is the testimony, that God gave us eternal life, and this life is in his Son. Whoever has the Son has life; whoever does not have the Son of God does not have life. I write these things to you who believe in the name of the Son of God, that you may know that you have eternal life.
Re: Does the converted Christian have unknown defects of character? [Re: Rosangela] #172686
04/01/15 08:37 PM
04/01/15 08:37 PM
Mountain Man  Offline
SDA
Charter Member
Active Member 2019

20000+ Member
Joined: Oct 2000
Posts: 22,256
Southwest USA
APL, I am not talking about sins of ignorance. I'm talking about sins we have never committed.

Re: Does the converted Christian have unknown defects of character? [Re: asygo] #172687
04/01/15 08:41 PM
04/01/15 08:41 PM
Mountain Man  Offline
SDA
Charter Member
Active Member 2019

20000+ Member
Joined: Oct 2000
Posts: 22,256
Southwest USA
Originally Posted By: asygo
M: Having them is not the same as sinning. If we don't know about them we cannot cherish them or act them out. If circumstances do not bring them to out attention they are a non-issue.

A: God would do well to make sure we don't ever encounter those circumstances, so we can all be sinless. There are people who have been taught all their lives that having multiple wives is a good thing. Are they not guilty because they don't know any better?

I'm talking about people who completed the process of conversion in God's appointed way - people who have learned how to live in harmony with everything Jesus commanded. This process does not end in people sinning ignorantly.

Re: Does the converted Christian have unknown defects of character? [Re: Rosangela] #172734
04/03/15 06:00 PM
04/03/15 06:00 PM
Mountain Man  Offline
SDA
Charter Member
Active Member 2019

20000+ Member
Joined: Oct 2000
Posts: 22,256
Southwest USA
Does the converted Christian have unknown defects of character? No, they wouldn't have unknown defects of character. Instead, they might have dormant, untapped, uncultivated traits of character. There is a difference between defects of character and traits of character. People develop defects of character by sinning repetitiously. People who complete the process of conversion in God's appointed way are not ignorant of the defects they have cultivated. They might, on the other hand, have dormant, untapped, uncultivated traits of character - traits they have not turned into defects of character by sinning repetitiously. However, even if they do have dormant, untapped, uncultivated traits of character, they do not count as sins and will not count against them in judgment as sins.

Re: Does the converted Christian have unknown defects of character? [Re: asygo] #172741
04/04/15 04:11 PM
04/04/15 04:11 PM
G
gordonb1  Offline
SDA
Active Member 2014

Veteran Member
Joined: Apr 2006
Posts: 936
Quebec
Originally Posted By: asygo
Faults are revealed of which they did not even suspect the existence. ... It is because God is leading them that these things come upon them. Trials and obstacles are the Lord's chosen methods of discipline and His appointed conditions of success. He who reads the hearts of men knows their characters better than they themselves know them. ... In His providence He brings these persons into different positions and varied circumstances that they may discover in their character the defects which have been concealed from their own knowledge. He gives them opportunity to correct these defects and to fit themselves for His service. Often He permits the fires of affliction to assail them that they may be purified. {HDL 8, 9}

Arnold, it appears the Lord is fully engaged to bring our personal defects to the surface, that we may confess & repent. Surely all heaven is deeply interested in our purification before the time of trouble.

God's people will find this comforting, that Christ is His brothers' keeper.
Leaving latent defects would be negligent, a breach of trust.

But there are some who would rather face extinction than admit their flesh is mortal,
and bow the knee, confess, repent.

Surely that's bondage - to choose an earthly body over one eternal.
__________________________________

Re: Does the converted Christian have unknown defects of character? [Re: Mountain Man] #172744
04/04/15 04:35 PM
04/04/15 04:35 PM
Rosangela  Offline OP
5500+ Member
Joined: Nov 2004
Posts: 6,154
Brazil
Quote:
Does the converted Christian have unknown defects of character? No, they wouldn't have unknown defects of character. Instead, they might have dormant, untapped, uncultivated traits of character. There is a difference between defects of character and traits of character.

Ellen White says that there were defects, not traits, unknown to Paul.

Re: Does the converted Christian have unknown defects of character? [Re: Rosangela] #172747
04/04/15 09:09 PM
04/04/15 09:09 PM
Mountain Man  Offline
SDA
Charter Member
Active Member 2019

20000+ Member
Joined: Oct 2000
Posts: 22,256
Southwest USA
These persons had not experienced the work of reformation, or sanctification through the truth. They were coarse and uncultivated. They had never tasted of the sweet, pure refinement of the world to come. They had never experienced, neither had their hearts been awed by, the mystery of godliness. They placed divine and eternal things upon a level with common things, and would talk of heaven and the coming of Jesus as they would of a horse. They had a superficial knowledge or theory of the truth, but further than this they were ignorant. Its principles had not taken hold of their lives and led them to an abhorrence of self. They had never viewed themselves in the light in which Paul viewed himself, which led him to see the moral defects in his character. They had never been slain by the law of God, and had not separated themselves from their impurities and defilement. It is the favorite occupation of some of this class to engage in trifling conversation and levity. This habit they contracted, and indulged upon occasions which should have been characterized by solemn meditation and devotion. In doing this, they manifested a lack of true dignity and refinement, and forfeited the esteem of sensible persons who had no knowledge of the truth. This class threw themselves into a current of temptation and kept where the enemy led them successfully, and he has so easily controlled their minds and corrupted their entire experience that in all probability they will be unable to recover themselves out of his snare and obtain a healthful experience. 2T 554.

The apostle draws a sharp distinction between the condition of the avowed transgressor, who dares to live in defiance of God’s law, and yet make claim to holiness, and the condition of him who, tho yielding his heart to the claims of the law of God, still sees defects in his character, and bows in humility before God to make confession of sin. Paul says: “What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law; for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet. But sin, taking occasion by the commandment, wrought in me all manner of concupiscence. For without the law sin was dead.” How dangerous is the position of men who, while claiming sanctification, still will not receive the light of the law by which sin is detected! Sanctification is conformity to the will of God, and the will of God is expressed in his holy law. Those only are truly sanctified who live by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God. How terrible is it to be a false light, and, while claiming salvation through the merit of the blood of Christ, to be sowing the seed of rebellion against the law of God in the hearts of men! ST 4-30-1896.

Re: Does the converted Christian have unknown defects of character? [Re: Rosangela] #172748
04/04/15 09:13 PM
04/04/15 09:13 PM
Mountain Man  Offline
SDA
Charter Member
Active Member 2019

20000+ Member
Joined: Oct 2000
Posts: 22,256
Southwest USA
The idea that completing the "process of conversion" in God's appointed way results in ignorantly practicing some of the sinful habits cultivated while in the world is unbiblical.

Page 6 of 12 1 2 4 5 6 7 8 11 12

Moderator  Rick H 

Sabbath School Lesson Study Material Link
Here is the link to this week's Sabbath School Lesson Study and Discussion Material: Click Here
Most Recent Posts From Selected Public Forums
Fourth quarter, 2024, The Gospel of John
by asygo. 10/31/24 12:59 PM
A god whom his fathers knew not..
by Kevin H. 10/27/24 09:03 PM
Understanding the Battle of Armageddon
by Rick H. 10/25/24 08:25 PM
Global Warming Farce
by kland. 10/23/24 11:55 AM
Profiles Of Jesus In Zecharia
by dedication. 10/15/24 12:56 AM
Seven Trumpets reconsidered
by Karen Y. 10/14/24 12:13 PM
The October 7th Massacre and Zechariah 9 Prophecy
by dedication. 10/08/24 05:41 PM
Most Recent Posts From Selected Private Forums of MSDAOL
Understanding the 1,260-year Prophecy
by dedication. 10/31/24 08:39 PM
Perils of the Emerging Church Movement
by asygo. 10/31/24 07:32 PM
Understanding the 1290 & 1335 of Daniel 12?
by dedication. 10/29/24 01:14 AM
Dr Conrad Vine Banned
by Rick H. 10/25/24 08:01 PM
The 1260 Year Prophecy & The Roman Catholic Church
by dedication. 10/22/24 02:32 PM
What Should Be Our Response to the "Sunday Laws"?
by dedication. 10/13/24 01:08 AM
Are The Prophecies Important?
by dedication. 10/08/24 04:18 PM
The Beast and the Image Beast
by Rick H. 10/05/24 04:40 AM
A campaign against the church
by dedication. 10/03/24 11:50 PM
Why Is Papacy Uniting COVID/Climate Change
by kland. 10/03/24 12:06 PM
Forum Announcements
Visitors by Country Since February 11, 2013
Flag Counter
Google Maritime SDA OnLine Public Forums Site Search & Google Translation Service
Google
 
Web www.maritime-sda-online.com

Copyright 2000-Present
Maritime 2nd Advent Believers OnLine (formerly Maritime SDA OnLine).

LEGAL NOTICE:
The views expressed in this forum are those of individuals
and do not necessarily represent those of Maritime 2nd Advent Believers OnLine,
as well as the Seventh-day Adventist Church
from the local church level to the General Conference level.

Maritime 2nd Advent Believers OnLine (formerly Maritime SDA OnLine) is also a self-supporting ministry
and is not part of, or affiliated with, or endorsed by
The General Conference of Seventh-day Adventists headquartered in Silver Spring, Maryland
or any of its subsidiaries.

"And He saith unto them, follow Me, and I will make you fishers of men." Matt. 4:19
MARITIME 2ND ADVENT BELIEVERS ONLINE (FORMERLY MARITIME SDA ONLINE) CONSISTING MAINLY OF BOTH MEMBERS & FRIENDS
OF THE SEVENTH-DAY ADVENTIST CHURCH,
INVITES OTHER MEMBERS & FRIENDS OF THE SEVENTH-DAY ADVENTIST CHURCH ANYWHERE IN THE WORLD WHO WISHES TO JOIN US!
Powered by UBB.threads™ PHP Forum Software 7.7.1