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Re: Was Adam Actually With Eve At The Forbidden Tree? #17297
01/19/05 07:21 PM
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Can we say that anything in the Bible is not important?

Even the slightest thing can affect our understanding of the fall of Adam and the Plan of Salvation.

I understand that it wasn't until Adam also sinned that the fall of the human race was complete, therefore, the manner in which he sinned is of the greatest importance.

1 - If he had been there with Eve, then was he also deceived by the serpent as Eve was and ate the forbidden fruit at the same time as Eve?

2 - If he were not there with Eve, then was he then deceived by Eve herself and ate the forbidden fruit later?

3 - Or, in both scenarios, did he knowingly sin by eating the forbidden fruit then or later? If he knowingly ate it, then why did he knowingly eat it?

4 - Who had the greater sin, the one who was deceived into sinning, or the one who knowingly sinned?

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Re: Was Adam Actually With Eve At The Forbidden Tree? #17298
01/19/05 07:38 PM
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quote:
Originally posted by Daryl Fawcett:
Now that we have what a couple of Bible scholars have written with links provided, what thinkest thou now?

You may also add John Calvin to that list.

This by no means settles the question, but does add weight to the postition that Adam was not in the immediate vicinity at the time of the crime.

(Just as an aside, the above mentioned authorities have been cited (and justly so) to support the position put forward. Are "we" (generically speaking) just as willing to take their position on which day of the week to worship on?)

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Re: Was Adam Actually With Eve At The Forbidden Tree? #17299
01/19/05 07:56 PM
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quote:
Originally posted by Tom Wetmore:
"Why?"

I'm a woodworker. I can go into the forest, cut down a tree, lopp off a log, call it a chair and sit on it. I can also mill the tree into lumber, and build a chair with legs and a back. Fancier, and costs more, but I still sit on it. Or I can mill the lumber into a very complex, French-provincial chair with cabriole legs and carved lion's paw feet. (Well, actually I can't. But some people do. [Smile] ) I still just sit on it.

But every time I work wood, I learn something about it. The more attention I pay to detail, the better my product is. And with every project, I strive for greater precision, greater accuracy, and a better job.

On the other hand, not everybody cares about building chairs.

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Re: Was Adam Actually With Eve At The Forbidden Tree? #17300
01/20/05 12:56 AM
01/20/05 12:56 AM
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Cedric,

You would be surprised the number of Bible Scholars who also agree with the Sabbath over the Sunday issue, but then that's another topic that I might very well create elsewhere. [Smile]

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Re: Was Adam Actually With Eve At The Forbidden Tree? #17301
01/20/05 01:08 AM
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Are "we" (generically speaking) just as willing to take their position on which day of the week to worship on?
No comparison. There is nothing ambiguous or uncertain about the fourth commandment. Tom asks a valid question. I think it is important because of what Paul wrote about it. We need to be able to vindicate his position. Adam chose to die with Eve. He didn't rebel against God in the same way Satan did, thus he was offered probation, which has been extended to the entire human race.

But what if Adam hadn't eaten the forbidden fruit? Or, what if he had shaken his fist at God, and in an angry, hateful fit of rage, gobbled down a bushel of them? What then? As I see it, how and why he ate it is useful information. And where he ate it provides helpful clues.

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Re: Was Adam Actually With Eve At The Forbidden Tree? #17302
01/20/05 05:25 PM
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Daryl,

I am not sure you understand my question. I am not implying that this detail of the story is unimportant or that anything in Scripture is unimportant. But things do have different levels of importance and for different reasons.

I ask the question to try to see why you think this is an important point of the story. Given the clear implication of the phrase "with her" I wonder why the two 17th and 18th century Biblical commentators seemed to feel a need to qualify this detail to suggest that Adam was not "with her" at the time and place of the events described. (Notice that Wesley uses exactly the same words as Henry.) Why does EGW pick up this detail that is very consistent with long held tradition within the church predating these two reformers.

Why is it important to distinguish the actions of Eve from those of Adam? How does it effect our undertanding of the origins of sin, salvation, mankind, and our relationship to one another and to God. Does it really make an essential difference on any of these points?

Tom

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Re: Was Adam Actually With Eve At The Forbidden Tree? #17303
01/20/05 06:42 PM
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Tom,

Perhaps, answering my questions in that post will also answer your's? [Smile]

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Re: Was Adam Actually With Eve At The Forbidden Tree? #17304
01/22/05 12:47 AM
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Mike:

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Originally posted by Mike Lowe:
No comparison. There is nothing ambiguous or uncertain about the fourth commandment.

It's not an issue of comparison. (Which makes me wonder if you are even aware of the arguement for Sunday worship.)

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Re: Was Adam Actually With Eve At The Forbidden Tree? #17305
01/22/05 01:17 AM
01/22/05 01:17 AM
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[Caution] This topic is NOT about the Sabbath, therefore, any future posts about the Sabbath in this topic will be removed. [Caution]

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Re: Was Adam Actually With Eve At The Forbidden Tree? #17306
01/22/05 01:23 AM
01/22/05 01:23 AM
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Well spoken. Let's be fair all around.

(If you do move them, please put them somewhere where I can participate. [Smile] )

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