Ded- In other words -- the interpretation given above tells us we must trust in the arms of flesh

As usual you don't disappoint. Are "prophets" the arm of flesh? You certainly are (arm of flesh) I can tell you that.

Ded- There is something seriously wrong with that interpretation.

The only thing I find "wrong" with your interpretation is what I said. You are good at mis-interpreting.

the two golden pipes, which carry the golden oil from the trees to the bowl, are the only two mediums which God has employed since 1844 A.D. to interpret the Scriptures.

Who are the two mediums prophesied here? We know that since 1844 God has brought us the SOP-Ellen White, who could be the other? These two alone are authorized to interpret Scripture.
Further, as this prophecy was interpreted in 1939, it proves it is in place for us today. (#167874 - 09/02/14 12:13 AM "Summary of our Zechaiah 4 study")

ONLY TWO PIPES (messengers-prophets) are allowed to extract the oil from the trees. No one understood this prophecy clearly until 1939, and now that we understand it let us heed it. (#167906 - 09/03/14 11:00 AM "Summary of our Zechaiah 4 study")

First, the Scriptures say that He will send "Elijah" before the great and dreadful day of the Lord. Obviously you do not believe that or maybe you think , as many SDA do, that EGW was this Elijah.
... EGW said a "he" , male, "would come", future tense, would be thought to "misinterpret the Scriptures", would be mostly rejected, "You are too earnest", would be zealous for the Lord's warning message and end time instruction of reform. (TM, p.475) Victor Houteff did claim that his message was to prepare the SDA people for the "great and dreadful day of the Lord".

In Christ, divinity and humanity were combined. Divinity was not degraded to humanity; divinity held its place, but humanity by being united to divinity, withstood the fiercest test of temptation in the wilderness. ... The light of the glory of God shone upon our Representative, and this fact says to us that the glory of God may shine upon us. With his human arm, Jesus encircled the race, and with his divine arm he grasped the throne of the Infinite, connecting man with God, and earth with heaven. {RH, February 18, 1890 par. 12}
....If I think I have light, I shall do my duty in presenting it. Suppose I consulted others concerning the message the Lord would have me give to the people, the door might be closed so that the light might not reach the ones to whom God had sent it. ...The Lord says, "Behold, I send you Elijah the prophet, before the coming of the great and dreadful day of the Lord." Somebody is to come in the spirit and power of Elijah, and when he appears, men may say, "You are too earnest, you do not interpret the Scriptures in the proper way. Let me tell you how to teach your message." .. I shall tell the truth as God gives it to me, and I say now, If you continue to find fault, to have a spirit of variance, you will never know the truth. {RH, February 18, 1890}

" [Malachi 4:5, 6.] John the Baptist went forth in the spirit and power of Elijah, to prepare the way of the Lord, and to turn the people to the wisdom of the just. He was a representative of those living in the last days, to whom God has intrusted sacred truths to present before the people, to prepare the way for the second appearing of Christ. {CTBH 39.1}

"." Now the angel of death goes forth, represented in Ezekiel's vision by the men with the slaughtering weapons, to whom the command is given: "Slay utterly old and young, both maids, and little children, and women: but come not near any man upon whom is the mark; and begin at My sanctuary." Says the prophet: "They began at the ancient men which were before the house." Ezekiel 9:1-6. The work of destruction begins among those who have professed to be the spiritual guardians of the people. The false watchmen are the first to fall. There are none to pity or to spare. Men, women, maidens, and little children perish together. {GC 656.2}

3T 267 "sinners in Zion, will never receive the mark of God's sealing approval. They will fall in the general destruction of the wicked, represented by the work of the five men bearing slaughter weapons."

First concerning EGW's quote found in TM 475, and RH Feb. 18,1890, yes she was referring to herself as well as to the message of righteousness by faith that during the years 1888-1893 was being presented to the people.

This was the message that was (and is) to prepare the hearts and minds of the people for the latter rain.

Yet it was being opposed and EGW's gift itself was being questioned because she was supporting this message as the message to prepare people for the latter rain experience.
In this statement she was letting them know that she would share what God had revealed, not what they wanted her to say.



She also makes it clear, it is God's people who are to give the "Elijah" message -- the message of righteousness by faith as combined in the three angels' massages.



GLL wrote: He (Houteff) also interpreted many long held confusing Scriptures, such as Zech. 4.


Comment -- a lot of people have interpreted these passages, the question isn't "did he give an interpretation" but "is it a correct interpretation"?

GLL wrote: But as you are one of those who has declared before God's angels that God did not send VTH, you must wait and see what the Truth is.

"God wants us to depend upon him, and not upon man....are you to go to man to find out his opinion, and then shape your conclusions from his?--No, go to God. Tell him what you want; take your Bible and search as for hidden treasures; go to the Bible, comparing it with the law and the testimony, and if it does not bear this test, it is not true."

GLL wrote: you believe it is was just "Houteff's" message, we believe it was from the Lord.

You are free to believe as your conscience leads. However, there is no way I can reconcile Houteff's teachings to NT interpretations of the OT prophecies, or to EGW's interpretations of prophetic last day events.

I asked earlier concerning the whole pre-second coming kingdom interpretation -- Now the question is -- where did such an interpretation come from?

GLL wrote: From the SCRIPTURES,

Every doctrine floating around presents itself as coming from scripture.

In fact even New Age channelers will base their ideas on scripture --

"The prime work of the church is to teach, and teach ceaselessly, preserving the outer appearance in order to reach the many who are accustomed to church usages. Teachers must be trained; Bible knowledge must be spread..."
And who is the author of that quote? Alice Bailey a new age priestess (Externalization)

So you see it's not enough to simply follow someone's selection of Bible verses -- WE MUST STUDY FOR OURSELVES and earnestly seek the Holy Spirit to shield us from deception and lead us to truth.




GLL asks:
1) Do you still believe that "men" (ie. humans)will do the destroying of Ezek? If so give your references again.

Ezekiel 9 has an historic and a future fulfilment.

I believe Ezekiel 9 related first of all to the literal fall of Jerusalem to the Babylonian Armies.

It is not consistent to say the verses dealing with Jerusalem's destruction mean (SDA'S are going to be destroyed) while saying Jerusalem's restoration means the literal old Jerusalem kingdom will be restored.

Both the destruction and restoration referred to the literal city being destroyed and the literal city being restored prior to Christ's FIRST coming.

Yes, there is a future fulfilment of these prophecies.

Great Controversy 656 tells us during the last plague when God reveals Himself, the lost will turn on their false leaders and there will be a terrible slaughter. She then writes:


There is no second chance for ANYONE after that. No, restoring of old Jerusalem, no converting of the nation.


Just like the future fulfilment of the destruction of sinners in Zion is not about literal old Jerusalem, so the restoration is not about literal old Jerusalem.

The fulfilment of the restoration -- the crowning work of salvation begins at Christ's second coming, when He takes His redeemed to His Father's House in the New Jerusalem.

The final, complete restoration is the New Earth after the 1000 years when all things are made new.

2) Do you still believe that VTH taught that the DSDA will someday soo rise up and do the slaying depicted by Ezek. 9?

The possibility exists that some will take things in their own hands and make an attempt. After all -- SRod interpretations hang their hope of the conversion of much of the world, and a paradise like earthly kingdom, on the prerequisite of the destruction of Adventists.
With such a philosophy how eager are they to get on with their earthly kingdom?
For them Adventists are the blockade stopping God's earthly kingdom from happening.

Now, we are told the time is coming when those who refuse to accept the ecumenical solutions are to be killed (Rev. 13)
When government restrictions are lifted, what is there to stop a group who sincerely believe God's work can't begin until the Adventists are dead?

2) Why have you not commented on Isaiah 66:15-21 as to it's meaning. have posted this important prophetic Scripture many times , and it was interpreted by VTH. Can we see your own private interpretation of it?

Who is WE ?
I have given thorough explanations on many passages which you presented. And they aren't just my own private interpretations either, just because they don't agree with Houteff. I don't even remember any reference to Isaiah 66 -- but then haven't had time to read everything you post.

But I'll take a look at it.

Dedication wrote-She also makes it clear, it is God's people who are to give the "Elijah" message -- the message of righteousness by faith as combined in the three angels' massages.

GLL wrote: UMM, let's see EGW "makes it clear"? Ok then the "he" she said "to come" is meant to be "we" (as in many people) Why not clarify that? She herself said we are to take the Bible as it reads.

As a prophet, John was "to turn the hearts of the fathers to the children, and the disobedient to the wisdom of the just; to make ready a people prepared for the Lord." In preparing the way for Christ's first advent, he was a representative of those who are to prepare a people for our Lord's second coming.DA 101