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Re: Human Nature, Neuroscience, and the Soul
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05/30/15 01:51 AM
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The above is uncalled for. Arnold has been very fair and reasonable with you. For example, just a few posts ago he said: I've felt the love green.
Oh, that men might open their minds to know God as he is revealed in his Son! {ST, January 20, 1890}
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Re: Human Nature, Neuroscience, and the Soul
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Do you feel better now asygo? Are YOU done percecuting? Are you even open minded enough to consider possibilities? Are you searching for truth? Are you blind to the possibilities that nature can reveal truths?
We are God's workmanship. Are we just God's imagination? Are we real or just a hologram?
No, I do not claim to know nor have I ever stated that I know how God preserves our identity in death nor how He resurrects the dead and never have. What I do know is that there is no separate soul apart from the body. Do you believe in a separate soul? I see you have no answer. I see the body and its parts and how they work.
Sin is the cause of all sickness, aging, disease and death. It is a solemn truth that it is sin that causes death. And if we see in nature something that causes all these things, then do the math. What is interesting is that the accusers of others of being narrow may be even narrower in their oppinions. But we do not need to share their narrowness in our search for truth. You're just flailing now, throwing everything you can think of hoping that something will stick. You refuse to address the obvious flaws in your theory. The wondrous works of God are a mystery to man. The spirit, the character of man, is returned to God, there to be preserved. In the resurrection every man will have his own character. God in His own time will call forth the dead, giving again the breath of life, and bidding the dry bones live. The same form will come forth, but it will be free from disease and every defect. {Hvn 40.1} A few facts from this: It's a mystery. Man's spirit/character returns to God and is preserved. The dead are raised when God gives the breath of life. While the raised will have the same character, their bodies will be different. Note the last sentence in the quote. Please answer this simple question: Is the PATTERN God uses to restore a man exactly the same as the pattern He preserved at death?
By God's grace,
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There is no excuse for any one in taking the position that there is no more truth to be revealed, and that all our expositions of Scripture are without an error. The fact that certain doctrines have been held as truth for many years by our people, is not a proof that our ideas are infallible. Age will not make error into truth, and truth can afford to be fair. No true doctrine will lose anything by close investigation. RH 12/20/1892
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Re: Human Nature, Neuroscience, and the Soul
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Is everything a mystery? Creation is a mystery. Redemption is an expression of creative power. God's power in the resurrection is a mystery, which is an expression of creative power. But is sin a mystery? Why it should come into existence is a mystery, but are we to be blind on what sin really is? Are we blind as to the nature of sin? Are we blind as to how God deals with sin? Can we know God's character in His dealings with sin? God preserves the character in the resurrection and sin and every defect is removed.
The Holy Flesh Doctrine {2SM}
The teaching given in regard to what is termed "holy flesh" is an error. All may now obtain holy hearts, but it is not correct to claim in this life to have holy flesh. ... If those who speak so freely of perfection in the flesh, could see things in the true light, they would recoil with horror from their presumptuous ideas. ... In this work we are to be laborers together with God. Much may be done to restore the moral image of God in man, to improve the physical, mental, and moral capabilities. Great changes can be made in the physical system by obeying the laws of God and bringing into the body nothing that defiles. And while we cannot claim perfection of the flesh, we may have Christian perfection of the soul. ... When human beings receive holy flesh, they will not remain on the earth, but will be taken to heaven. While sin is forgiven in this life, its results are not now wholly removed. It is at His coming that Christ is to "change our vile body, that it may be fashioned like unto his glorious body" (Philippians 3:21). . . .
Oh, that men might open their minds to know God as he is revealed in his Son! {ST, January 20, 1890}
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Re: Human Nature, Neuroscience, and the Soul
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God preserves the character in the resurrection and sin and every defect is removed. Can the physical body be so drastically changed while perfectly preserving the character? Is the storage medium for character independent of the storage medium for sin? Please answer this simple question: Is the PATTERN God uses to restore a man exactly the same as the pattern He preserved at death?
By God's grace,
Arnold
There is no excuse for any one in taking the position that there is no more truth to be revealed, and that all our expositions of Scripture are without an error. The fact that certain doctrines have been held as truth for many years by our people, is not a proof that our ideas are infallible. Age will not make error into truth, and truth can afford to be fair. No true doctrine will lose anything by close investigation. RH 12/20/1892
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Re: Human Nature, Neuroscience, and the Soul
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And while we cannot claim perfection of the flesh, we may have Christian perfection of the soul. So the soul can be perfect independent of the flesh. The soul must not be flesh, then.
By God's grace,
Arnold
There is no excuse for any one in taking the position that there is no more truth to be revealed, and that all our expositions of Scripture are without an error. The fact that certain doctrines have been held as truth for many years by our people, is not a proof that our ideas are infallible. Age will not make error into truth, and truth can afford to be fair. No true doctrine will lose anything by close investigation. RH 12/20/1892
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Re: Human Nature, Neuroscience, and the Soul
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And while we cannot claim perfection of the flesh, we may have Christian perfection of the soul. So the soul can be perfect independent of the flesh. The soul must not be flesh, then. No flesh, no soul. It is not independent. Christ developed a perfect character on imperfect hardware, our hardware. It is by overcoming the world, the flesh, and the devil that any student comes into possession of that knowledge that gives him access to the tree of life. We must all learn that we must overcome as Christ overcame in our behalf. All pride is sin, and must be expelled from the soul. Christ came to cut us loose from the originator of sin. He came to give us a mastery over the power of the destroyer, and to save us from the sting of the serpent. Through his imparted righteousness he would place all human beings where they will be on vantage ground. He came to this earth and lived the law of God that man might stand in his God-given manhood, having complete mastery over his natural inclination to self-indulgence and to the selfish ideas and principles which tarnish the soul. The Physician of soul and body, he will give wisdom and complete victory over warring lusts. He will provide every facility, that man may perfect a completeness of character in every respect.--{Ms 161, 1898, p. 1. (Untitled, typed December 10, 1898.)} Released April 28, 1976. {7MR 320.1}
Do you believe that there is an independent soul and exists without the hardware?
Oh, that men might open their minds to know God as he is revealed in his Son! {ST, January 20, 1890}
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Re: Human Nature, Neuroscience, and the Soul
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Christ developed a perfect character on imperfect hardware, our hardware. Well said.
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Re: Human Nature, Neuroscience, and the Soul
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I understand it may difficult to explain or define much of our surroundings. But, that doesn't mean they don't exist! Finding it hard to comprehensively define a human being doesn't mean they don't exist. God does exist even though we can't define God anymore than what God tells us about Himself.
And this is where science and philosophy lose me. It seems these kinds of discussions create more doubt rather than answer any questions.
I do agree with Daryl though; I did find it interesting that a number of his Biblical statements were correct or much more correct than I would have expected.
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Re: Human Nature, Neuroscience, and the Soul
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And while we cannot claim perfection of the flesh, we may have Christian perfection of the soul. So the soul can be perfect independent of the flesh. The soul must not be flesh, then. No flesh, no soul. It is not independent. Christ developed a perfect character on imperfect hardware, our hardware. If the hardware is imperfect, but the soul is perfect, the soul must not be the hardware, right? I can write a perfect computer program that runs perfectly on an imperfect computer because the program is not hardware; it is a PATTERN of instructions that can be run on different sets of hardware. And if I chose, I can build perfect hardware and install my perfect program in it and it will run even better than before. Sound vaguely familiar?
By God's grace,
Arnold
There is no excuse for any one in taking the position that there is no more truth to be revealed, and that all our expositions of Scripture are without an error. The fact that certain doctrines have been held as truth for many years by our people, is not a proof that our ideas are infallible. Age will not make error into truth, and truth can afford to be fair. No true doctrine will lose anything by close investigation. RH 12/20/1892
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Re: Human Nature, Neuroscience, and the Soul
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 God preserves the character in the resurrection and sin and every defect is removed. Can the physical body be so drastically changed while perfectly preserving the character? Is the storage medium for character independent of the storage medium for sin? Please answer this simple question: Is the PATTERN God uses to restore a man exactly the same as the pattern He preserved at death?
By God's grace,
Arnold
There is no excuse for any one in taking the position that there is no more truth to be revealed, and that all our expositions of Scripture are without an error. The fact that certain doctrines have been held as truth for many years by our people, is not a proof that our ideas are infallible. Age will not make error into truth, and truth can afford to be fair. No true doctrine will lose anything by close investigation. RH 12/20/1892
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