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Re: Why is rejection of the SOP happening? [Re: Alchemy] #175705
07/30/15 12:59 PM
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He also wrote:
Originally Posted By: Mountain Man
The only believers who will be translated alive when Jesus arrives are those believers who embrace the 3AM as proclaimed by faithful SDA believers. Everyone else will receive the mark of the beast and perish with the unsaved.

an idea which:
a) has NO Biblical support whatsoever.
b) is elitist, arrogant, and just plain stupid.
c) demonstrates an alarming lack of understanding of God and the mission of Christ to the world.


"All that is Gold does not Glitter, Not all who Wander are Lost." (J.R.R.T.)
Re: Why is rejection of the SOP happening? [Re: Rick H] #175707
07/30/15 02:31 PM
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Alchemy, amen! Well said. Thank you.

Re: Why is rejection of the SOP happening? [Re: Rick H] #175708
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JAK, you are rejecting a fundamental belief of the SDA Church. Do you disagree with the 3AM as practiced and proclaimed by the SDA Church? If so, please explain.

Re: Why is rejection of the SOP happening? [Re: Mountain Man] #175718
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MM, how do you know that the SDAs fundamental beliefs are the same as Jesus's? Or even have the correct understanding of the 3AM?


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Re: Why is rejection of the SOP happening? [Re: Mountain Man] #175734
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Originally Posted By: Mountain Man
JAK, you are rejecting a fundamental belief of the SDA Church. Do you disagree with the 3AM as practiced and proclaimed by the SDA Church? If so, please explain.


You are beginning to sound alarmingly like the Inquisition.

There are certain of the FB that I would like clarification on, such as but not limited to #12 as per our PM discussion, but the closer one examines the SDA belief system the more one realizes that the answers are shoddy and superficial.


"All that is Gold does not Glitter, Not all who Wander are Lost." (J.R.R.T.)
Re: Why is rejection of the SOP happening? [Re: Elle] #175740
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Originally Posted By: Elle
MM, how do you know that the SDAs fundamental beliefs are the same as Jesus's? Or even have the correct understanding of the 3AM?

Because I have studied them in the Bible and in the SOP and I have no doubt they are true - the truth as it is in Jesus.

Re: Why is rejection of the SOP happening? [Re: JAK] #175741
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Originally Posted By: JAK
JAK, you are rejecting a fundamental belief of the SDA Church. Do you disagree with the 3AM as practiced and proclaimed by the SDA Church? If so, please explain.

J: You are beginning to sound alarmingly like the Inquisition. There are certain of the FB that I would like clarification on, such as but not limited to #12 as per our PM discussion, but the closer one examines the SDA belief system the more one realizes that the answers are shoddy and superficial.

JAK, you are free to believe as you choose. This in not the Inquisition. But you are not free to retain membership in good and regular standing as a SDA if you reject one or more of the 28FB or refuse to live in harmony with them. You are also free to reject the SOP as an authoritative source of insight and inspiration. However, will not do so if you agree with the 28FB.

Re: Why is rejection of the SOP happening? [Re: JAK] #175818
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Originally Posted By: JAK
He also wrote:
Originally Posted By: Mountain Man
The only believers who will be translated alive when Jesus arrives are those believers who embrace the 3AM as proclaimed by faithful SDA believers. Everyone else will receive the mark of the beast and perish with the unsaved.

an idea which:
a) has NO Biblical support whatsoever.
b) is elitist, arrogant, and just plain stupid.
c) demonstrates an alarming lack of understanding of God and the mission of Christ to the world.




Blessings JAK,

You are wrong on all three points. The 3 angels messages demonstrate to a huge degree the mission of Christ in this world at this time. Remember, Revelation is a revealing of Jesus Christ.

Re: Why is rejection of the SOP happening? [Re: JAK] #175820
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Originally Posted By: JAK
Originally Posted By: Mountain Man
JAK, you are rejecting a fundamental belief of the SDA Church. Do you disagree with the 3AM as practiced and proclaimed by the SDA Church? If so, please explain.


You are beginning to sound alarmingly like the Inquisition.

There are certain of the FB that I would like clarification on, such as but not limited to #12 as per our PM discussion, but the closer one examines the SDA belief system the more one realizes that the answers are shoddy and superficial.

(bold emphasis mine)

Such as JAK? Could you elaborate?

Re: Why is rejection of the SOP happening? [Re: Alchemy] #175829
08/03/15 11:31 AM
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Originally Posted By: Alchemy
Originally Posted By: JAK
Originally Posted By: Mountain Man
JAK, you are rejecting a fundamental belief of the SDA Church. Do you disagree with the 3AM as practiced and proclaimed by the SDA Church? If so, please explain.


You are beginning to sound alarmingly like the Inquisition.

There are certain of the FB that I would like clarification on, such as but not limited to #12 as per our PM discussion, but the closer one examines the SDA belief system the more one realizes that the answers are shoddy and superficial.

(bold emphasis mine)

Such as JAK? Could you elaborate?

I agree with Jak. Would like to hear Jak's answer, but have one of my own. There's many discussion I partaken to TEST our doctrines and interpretations. Not that I'm out to prove the SDAs wrong. That is not my goal nor my interest. But I came here to study what I was taught in the Church with what the Bible actually says. I am sorry to say that I found that there's a lot of errors and refinements needed in our understanding.

For an example check out the current study that Alchemy started Who is the fit Man in Lev 16. In this study we see that SDAs lays all responsibillity for sin on the devil, however according to the laws of liability ultimate responsibility goes to the Creator and owner of all things. Also SDAs based their interpretaion on a severely mistranslation of Lev 16 where 4 errors are found in the text when comparing to the source text.

This is just one example of were our beliefs is "shoddy and superficial". I could list many more discussion here.

Why should this be a surprise or a shock? Hasn't the Lord told us that our Church is Laodicean? He said we are blind, poor, and naked. Our blindness is thick. We say we SEE(know the truth) but in reality we are blind. The Lord said in Jn 9:39 And Jesus said, For judgment I am come into this world, that they which see not might see; and that they which see might be made blind." Let us not despair for it is the Lord that made us blind for His good purpose.

Isaac was the first blind servant. He was a TYPE as following Israel was made blind and now the whole Christiandom. AV Isa 42:19 Who [is] blind, but my servant? or deaf, as my messenger [that] I sent? who [is] blind as [he that is] perfect, and blind as the LORD'S servant? Blinding His servant was in the Lord's plan so He could fulfill His plan without us hindering it.


Blessings
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