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Re: Global Warming Farce
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Kland, I did not contradict myself. I did not back track. You are mistaken. Please repost the post you believe reflects me contradicting myself. Nevertheless, it is Satan who is doing the most to disrupt things causing man-made and natural disasters. Jesus is giving him more and more authority to cause death, disease, and destruction. Expect Sunday Laws to follow sometime in the not-so-far-distant future. Then after being thanked for not blaming Jesus, you then realized your mistake and backtracked: So, again, Jesus is in control of "global warming". He either causes, commands (holy angels), or permits (evil angels) things to happen that result in death, disease, and destruction. That is, He either causes the forces of nature wreak havoc, or He commands holy angels to do it, or He permits evil angels to do it. Neither holy angels nor evil angels can supply the power, the energy, the life force that makes the forces of nature act. Only Jesus can do that. What mess? Human-caused pollution? Auto emissions? Industrial waste? Our contribution to the problem is minute compared to mother nature's contribution. One volcanic eruption, one forest fire does more to cause global warming than years of human waste and pollution.
Interesting suggestion you are making here. While you are saying that your god causes disaster, or causes satan to cause harm, or permits him to, now you're suggesting that humans, even though at a minimal level, can cause pollution to damage the environment. Beyond your god's control. Tell us. With the ongoing Fukushima dumping radiation into the ocean and killing off the life: Is that due to man or your god? Did your god cause the tsunami to set the nuclear reactor disaster in place? Or did man cause it by failing to have a backup plan when things go wrong? Did your god want to poison the ocean and caused the earthquake to do it? Or did your god only want to kill life and destroy property and never intended to poison the ocean, but due to man's failure for failing to take care of protecting the nuclear reactors, some things happen beyond his control? Seems to me you have a bit of dilemma here.
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Re: Global Warming Farce
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08/03/15 02:29 PM
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What would have caused them to die "immediately" that "day"? Punishment. Not natural causes. There was nothing toxic about ingesting the forbidden fruit.
Isn't that what satan said? It's what Eve understood. Ge 3:4 And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die:
Ge 3:5 For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil.
Ge 3:6 And when the woman saw that the tree was good for food,
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Re: Global Warming Farce
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08/04/15 04:21 AM
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Yes kland - that is exactly what Satan said. MM has fallen for the lie it would appear, that God is vengeful and severe.
Oh, that men might open their minds to know God as he is revealed in his Son! {ST, January 20, 1890}
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Re: Global Warming Farce
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08/08/15 10:58 PM
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But dedication - some view God AND Satan as causing disease, disaster, and death. Global warming falls into the disaster category.
MM - I have answered your question, same question, many times. Read {DA 58.1} Now, how do you reconcile ALL the EGW quotes? The judgments of God do not come directly from Him, but in..... I don't see where you answered my question (although, I suspect you believe, yes, all quotes must be interpreted to mean Jesus permits evil angels to cause death, disease, and destruction). Here is how I answered your question: APL, the Bible and the SOP make it very clear Jesus causes death, disease, and destruction. The Bible and the SOP are also very clear Jesus commands holy angels to cause death, disease, and destruction. And the Bible and the SOP clearly say Jesus permits evil angels to cause death, disease, and destruction.
Do you believe the Bible and the SOP expect us to interpret everything above to mean Jesus withdraws His protection and permits evil angels to cause death, disease, and destruction? If so, do you think it makes Jesus less culpable?
Nature is not self-acting. Every single law, principle, and function in nature is 100% dependent upon Jesus to act. Hearts beat because Jesus makes them beat. Clouds form and produce rain because Jesus makes them do do. Plants and animals and and insects and people grow and live because Jesus makes them do so. Everything on earth plays out the way it does because Jesus does what He does. Natural disasters are able to do what they do because Jesus does what He does. Nature is not self-acting. Evil angels cannot supply the life force nature needs to do what it does. Only Jesus can supply it.
Evil angles are allowed to manipulate the forces of nature - but they cannot supply the life force necessary for it to act. Nor can evil angels manipulate the forces of nature to cause more death, disease, and destruction than Jesus is willing to allow. Jesus works to ensure evil angels do not exceed the limits He sets and enforces. Again, everything plays out the way it does because Jesus does what He does to ensure it plays out accordingly - no more, no less. "God will use His enemies as instruments to punish those who have followed their own pernicious ways whereby the truth of God has been misrepresented, misjudged, and dishonored." {LDE 242.3} How do I reconcile the quotes which clearly, plainly say: 1) Jesus Himself causes death, disease, and destruction. "Since the Flood, fire as well as water has been God's agent to destroy very wicked cities." {PP 109.1} 2) Jesus commands holy angels to cause death, disease, and destruction. "The same destructive power exercised by holy angels when God commands, will be exercised by evil angels when He permits." {GC 614.2} 3) Jesus permits evil angels to cause death, disease, and destruction. "In accidents and calamities by sea and by land, in great conflagrations, in fierce tornadoes and terrific hailstorms, in tempests, floods, cyclones, tidal waves, and earthquakes, in every place and in a thousand forms, Satan is exercising his power." {GC 589.3} It's really rather quite simple, isn't it. All three sets of quotes are true and right. They do not contradict one another. "The plea may be made that a loving Father would not see His children suffering the punishment of God by fire while He had the power to relieve them. But God would, for the good of His subjects and for their safety, punish the transgressor. God does not work on the plan of man. He can do infinite justice that man has no right to do before his fellow man. Noah would have displeased God to have drowned one of the scoffers and mockers that harassed him, but God drowned the vast world. Lot would have had no right to inflict punishment on his sons-in-law, but God would do it in strict justice. {LDE 241.2} Interesting quotes, will have to study this deeper..
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Re: Global Warming Farce
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How does God punish? By letting the natural consequences of sin play out. God is not the executioner of the sentence against sin. Now does God "punish"?
We cannot know how much we owe to Christ for the peace and protection which we enjoy. It is the restraining power of God that prevents mankind from passing fully under the control of Satan. The disobedient and unthankful have great reason for gratitude for God's mercy and long-suffering in holding in check the cruel, malignant power of the evil one. But when men pass the limits of divine forbearance, that restraint is removed. God does not stand toward the sinner as an executioner of the sentence against transgression; but He leaves the rejectors of His mercy to themselves, to reap that which they have sown. Every ray of light rejected, every warning despised or unheeded, every passion indulged, every transgression of the law of God, is a seed sown which yields its unfailing harvest. The Spirit of God, persistently resisted, is at last withdrawn from the sinner, and then there is left no power to control the evil passions of the soul, and no protection from the malice and enmity of Satan. The destruction of Jerusalem is a fearful and solemn warning to all who are trifling with the offers of divine grace and resisting the pleadings of divine mercy. Never was there given a more decisive testimony to God's hatred of sin and to the certain punishment that will fall upon the guilty. {GC 36.1}
Oh, that men might open their minds to know God as he is revealed in his Son! {ST, January 20, 1890}
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Re: Global Warming Farce
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Interesting quotes, will have to study this deeper.. Remember to also study who killed Saul and compare that with what MM listed as no contradiction. Since the Bible doesn't contradict itself, then any supposed contradiction is a reflection on the reader.
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Re: Global Warming Farce
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Some say El Nino causes bad weather. Some say La Nina causes bad weather. Some say being between El Nino and La Nina causes bad weather. But MM says God does it. The Bible and the SOP both say Jesus employs the forces of nature for weal or woe. Nature is not self-acting. Evil angels are not free to manipulate the forces of nature as they see fit. Jesus permits them to cause death, disease, and disaster within the limits He establishes and works to enforce.
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Re: Global Warming Farce
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Tell us. With the ongoing Fukushima dumping radiation into the ocean and killing off the life: Is that due to man or your god? Did your god cause the tsunami to set the nuclear reactor disaster in place? Or did man cause it by failing to have a backup plan when things go wrong? Did your god want to poison the ocean and caused the earthquake to do it? Or did your god only want to kill life and destroy property and never intended to poison the ocean, but due to man's failure for failing to take care of protecting the nuclear reactors, some things happen beyond his control? Seems to me you have a bit of dilemma here. No dilemma. It is very clearly spelled out in the Bible and in the SOP. Jesus is in control. Nothing - nothing - happens without His intimate involvement. Things play out the way they do because Jesus manages things the way He does.
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Re: Global Warming Farce
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The Bible and the SOP both say Jesus employs the forces of nature for weal or woe. Nature is not self-acting. Evil angels are not free to manipulate the forces of nature as they see fit. Jesus permits them to cause death, disease, and disaster within the limits He establishes and works to enforce. Would you then agree, that God is then responsible for all the evil in the world because He enables it? No dilemma. It is very clearly spelled out in the Bible and in the SOP. Jesus is in control. Nothing - nothing - happens without His intimate involvement. Things play out the way they do because Jesus manages things the way He does. A woman is rapes, then it is God will. She could not be raped unless God wanted it to happen. Calvin would be pleased.
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Re: Global Warming Farce
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Tell us. With the ongoing Fukushima dumping radiation into the ocean and killing off the life: Is that due to man or your god? Did your god cause the tsunami to set the nuclear reactor disaster in place? Or did man cause it by failing to have a backup plan when things go wrong? Did your god want to poison the ocean and caused the earthquake to do it? Or did your god only want to kill life and destroy property and never intended to poison the ocean, but due to man's failure for failing to take care of protecting the nuclear reactors, some things happen beyond his control? Seems to me you have a bit of dilemma here. No dilemma. It is very clearly spelled out in the Bible and in the SOP. Jesus is in control. Nothing - nothing - happens without His intimate involvement. Things play out the way they do because Jesus manages things the way He does. So are you saying that man did not do anything wrong in choosing a poor place for the reactor, having no backup plan, no protection from waves? That your god caused man to do poor planning? Or are you saying that man needn't worry about such useless details because.... god did it. Wow, what freedom! That relieves a lot of the responsibility. Maybe you could talk to our president and just say give any country who want's to go nuclear full blessing. Legalize drugs. In fact, have no laws. Anything bad which results..... MM's god did it. God of Fire. God of Water. MM's god: the god of death, disease, and disaster.
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