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Re: A new Global Economic Restructure in 2012 [Re: Elle] #177333
10/10/15 05:25 AM
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My comment: China's alternative to Babylon's SWIFT system called CIPS(Crossborder Interbank Payment System) went live Thursday.

US dollar gets another paper cut
Oct 09, 2015

By Stephen Jones

http://www.gods-kingdom-ministries.net/d...h.rqBrky8c.dpuf

"There is an old saying about killing someone with a thousand paper cuts. This has been the Chinese strategy against the US dollar, especially since 2010 when the US congress refused to sign off the on IMF reform package.

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The latest “cut” is the establishment of China’s alternative to the SWIFT system by which money is wired around the world through the Federal Reserve Bank. It is called the Crossborder Interbank Payment System (CIPS).

THE Industrial and Commercial Bank of China (ICBC) Singapore has cleared a yuan transaction on Thursday under China's long-anticipated international payment system.

ICBC Singapore said that it successfully cleared 35 million yuan (S$7.8 million) on the Crossborder Interbank Payment System (CIPS), China's international payment system which went live on Thursday.

It was for a trade settlement payment from Singapore's Raffemet Pte Ltd to Baosteel Resources in Shanghai, China and the transaction marks the first in Asia to be cleared through the newly launched CIPS, the bank said.
http://www.businesstimes.com.sg/companie...y-launched-cips

Any time payments are made outside of the SWIFT system, the Fed is unable to collect its world tax on international trade.

By using the SWIFT system to impose sanctions on other countries that the US does not like, the US government has ensured that an alternative system would be established. However, it could only be done by a country strong enough to stand up to the US government. That country is China, the main creditor of the US treasury.


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Re: A new Global Economic Restructure in 2012 [Re: Elle] #177386
10/12/15 01:45 PM
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From Elle, 4/11/14 #164231

Russia Announces Decoupling Trade From Dollar
...
Along with the new BRICS(A) currency will come a new international payment settlement system, replacing the SWIFT and IBAN exchanges, thereby breaking the hegemony of the infamous privately owned currency and gold manipulator, the Bank for International Settlement (BIS) in Basle, Switzerland – also called the central bank of all central banks.


BRICS or CIPS? Same or different?

Re: A new Global Economic Restructure in 2012 [Re: Elle] #177388
10/12/15 02:14 PM
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Originally Posted By: Elle
Would it be accurate to say if someone wanted to know what Elle believes, consult Jones at gods-kingdom-ministries.net?

Re: A new Global Economic Restructure in 2012 [Re: Elle] #177399
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I hope not, Jones teaches that the Sabbath was changed to Sunday as part of the New Covenant:


"The Saturday Sabbath, as I showed, was based upon Passover. The Sunday Sabbath was based upon the presentation of the Son to the Father, followed by Pentecost."

http://www.gods-kingdom-ministries.net/daily-weblogs/2010/05-2010/changes-in-the-sabbath-law-part-4/


"...I will not forget you.
Behold, I have graven thee upon the palms of my hands..."

Isaiah 49:15-16
Re: A new Global Economic Restructure in 2012 [Re: Elle] #177404
10/13/15 10:10 PM
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Ohhhh. I didn't see that. Hope Elle's not thinking that way.

Re: A new Global Economic Restructure in 2012 [Re: kland] #177406
10/14/15 01:31 AM
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Originally Posted By: kland
Originally Posted By: Elle
Would it be accurate to say if someone wanted to know what Elle believes, consult Jones at gods-kingdom-ministries.net?

I came to my believes by studying scriptures while learning to put heart idols aside if we want to learn the truth.

Of all people here, you know my path as we joined this forum at the same time. You know I have been testing all our doctrines.

I came to most of what I believe today via studying at Adventist Forums before I ever heard of Stephen Jones. The thing Stephen had that I didn't is the understanding of the law via the Spirit of the law-giver(Jesus or Jehovah). However the Lord had me already on that path by keeping the feasts so to come to understand them and other laws with their spiritual meanings.

I have read most of Stephen's books. I do agree with most of his studies. I do take my time to check his source and ponder on the subject myself seeking the Lord's personal revelation about the subject. I continually seek to understand more and continually revisit studies knowing that what we understand today is only skimming the surface.


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Re: A new Global Economic Restructure in 2012 [Re: kland] #177407
10/14/15 01:34 AM
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Originally Posted By: kland
From Elle, 4/11/14 #164231

Russia Announces Decoupling Trade From Dollar
...
Along with the new BRICS(A) currency will come a new international payment settlement system, replacing the SWIFT and IBAN exchanges, thereby breaking the hegemony of the infamous privately owned currency and gold manipulator, the Bank for International Settlement (BIS) in Basle, Switzerland – also called the central bank of all central banks.


BRICS or CIPS? Same or different?

-CIPS system (alternative to SWIFT) is created by the Chinese.
-The Chinese are part of the BRICS.
-The Chinese are the leading opposition to Mystery Babylon.
-The Chinese are US creditor as they own most of US Treasury debt.


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Re: A new Global Economic Restructure in 2012 [Re: ProdigalOne] #177408
10/14/15 02:08 AM
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Originally Posted By: ProdigalOne

I hope not, Jones teaches that the Sabbath was changed to Sunday as part of the New Covenant:


"The Saturday Sabbath, as I showed, was based upon Passover. The Sunday Sabbath was based upon the presentation of the Son to the Father, followed by Pentecost."

http://www.gods-kingdom-ministries.net/daily-weblogs/2010/05-2010/changes-in-the-sabbath-law-part-4/

I know what Stephen Jones knows about the Sabbath and I know what we(an SDA) know about the Sabbath. Sorry to say this and no offence meant. I can say this because I long pondered to understand about the Sabbath(Weekly,7 Feast Sabbath days, Sabbath Year, and the Jubilee) for the last 5 years. With all that I have learn...I can say with confidence that Stephen Jones knows more about the Sabbath than any SDA -- including me. It doesn't mean I agree on everything he says about it. Nor does this mean that his understanding is full neither, or that the Lord finished revealing truth about the Sabbath.

There is some truth in this statement : "Jones teaches that the Sabbath was changed to Sunday as part of the New Covenant" But it is not all the truth. I don't think this discussion is the place to talk about it, but would be glad to expand on it in another discussion.


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Re: A new Global Economic Restructure in 2012 [Re: Elle] #177414
10/14/15 10:12 AM
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Since, the vast majority of forum members, and SDA Church members, believe that the false claim of Sunday sacredness vs the divinely ordained holy Sabbath will be the focal point and ultimate test of faithfulness to God, in the final battle between Christ and Satan. Yes, I believe it merits further discussion.


"...I will not forget you.
Behold, I have graven thee upon the palms of my hands..."

Isaiah 49:15-16
Re: A new Global Economic Restructure in 2012 [Re: Elle] #177418
10/14/15 09:55 PM
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Originally Posted By: Elle
Originally Posted By: kland
Originally Posted By: Elle
Would it be accurate to say if someone wanted to know what Elle believes, consult Jones at gods-kingdom-ministries.net?

I came to my believes by studying scriptures while learning to put heart idols aside if we want to learn the truth.

Of all people here, you know my path as we joined this forum at the same time. You know I have been testing all our doctrines.

I came to most of what I believe today via studying at Adventist Forums before I ever heard of Stephen Jones.
Didn't realize we came here about the same time.

But note you said you get your stuff at forums, not from the church.

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I have read most of Stephen's books. I do agree with most of his studies.
Hence...."Would it be accurate to say if someone wanted to know what Elle believes, consult Jones at gods-kingdom-ministries.net?"

Quote:
I do take my time to check his source and ponder on the subject myself seeking the Lord's personal revelation about the subject. I continually seek to understand more and continually revisit studies knowing that what we understand today is only skimming the surface.
And the Lord gives you personal revelation through the use of forums, right?

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