My understanding from scriptures is that all the law(Pentateuch) is prophetic and spiritual by which the Lord will fulfill all of these including the sacrificial laws in our body temple for we are His body. What Christ went thru, we are to go thru the same path(passover,pentecost, and Tabernacle) to become "Sons of God".

Tell me APL, in your understanding of the law by spltting it into categories as "Moral, Ceremonial, Political and social" do you believe it is ok to break the Lords political an social laws? Or do you believe the ceremonial laws are the only laws that are made VOID?

Do we still have priests? Do we still conduct sacrifice of animals? Do we still have the tribe of Levi? Who are they? Circumcision - was it for all mankind or only Abraham and is it required today?

The Moral law remains and was for all men and is very encompassing.

Please answer the question APL -- do you believe it is ok to break the Lords political and social laws?

Are you saying you disagree with Ellen White?

Are you saying the "introductory-summary of the whole Law", which does state the 7th day, does not change but the full details do change the 7th day?

First, I'm not sure that "keeping the Passover" could be kept without sacrificing the lamb. The definition.

Second, do you really feel her statement implies that communion substitutes only place of the lamb, but she intended everything else of the rite to continue?

Can you find any statements she makes of the subject where she is not talking about campmeeting, and that is campmeeting happening at various and multiple times throughout the year including December or January? Where she says come to the feast of Tabernacles meaning solely to come to campmeeting which happens different times for different conferences?

Isa 66:23 (KJV) And it shall come to pass, that from one new moon to another, and from one sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith the LORD.

Isa 66:23 (YLT) And it hath been from month to month, And from sabbath to sabbath, Come do all flesh to bow themselves before Me, Said Jehovah.

Was that prophesied for their day, how does that fit in with dual applications, how is the proper way for understanding dual applications? Does everything else fit in the chapter?

If the text were intended to mean that everyone would worship Him from month to month and Sabbath to Sabbath, how would it be stated differently?

Sorry for the delayed respond Alchemy. I had already answered this in another discussion here(where you and Kland participated). I hope the below will help further.


This is the same problem the Israelites had, the Jews had at the time of Jesus and the Judaizers had in the early Church. This same problem is still very prominent today in all denominations. The problem is only seeing the law literally – only seeing the WORD and not understanding the SPIRIT and the greater thing that it is pointing to.

Kland and Alchemy you “kept” the Passover when you were baptized. Your heart was already circumcised sometime before and you had put the blood of the lamb on the “lintel”(forehead) and “2 posts”(ears) of your “house”(body temple).


Circumcision is only for those that wants to become a citizen of the Kingdom of God (want to become baptized and pledge allegience to the Lord). Circumcision is a Passover Level of faith requirement. The law(Pentateuch) illustrates a litteral circumcision to TEACH us the spiritual CONNECTION. The spiritual dimension (which is a heart circumcision that Moses understood clearly) is what makes us eligible to enter the Kingdom of God.

The physical(literal) circumcision of the flesh has no validity and never had any validity in the Lord's eyes. He required Abraham and the Israelites to be circumcized physically for the sake to "illustrate" and to teach the following generations what took place "spiritually". Paul spent a lot of his ministry to teach us this that “the law is SPIRITUAL”.

Our Church at the corporate level, we are a Passover Type of Church that hasn’t entered the Pentecost level of faith yet. We did the same thing as the Church in the Wilderness – they(&we) refuse to hear the Lord’s voice for themselves and they(&we) wanted to rely on a “Man”(we rely on a woman) to tell us how to interpret the Lord’s words. However, there’s some individual in our Church that has entered the Pentecost level of faith which rely on the Holy Spirit to teach them the truth.

Only a very very few in our Church has entered the Tabernacle level of faith. I have describe this level in this post here with Jacob when he left Laban. His journey to Canaan was a Tabernacle Type.

Do you think that a person that is in the Passover level of Faith, who continuously refuses to hear God’s voice for themselves, can understand the Law and specifically the Sabbath Law? No, they cannot. It is an impossibility. Even if the Man you are hearing the law from is Moses himself. All the Israelites died in the wilderness but 2. You need to enter Pentecost and let the Holy Spirit teach you what Jesus meant with any portion of the law.

Alchemy, the other thread was nothing but confusion and add this last confusion doesn't make any clearness. If you can figure out what she actually means by "SPIRITUAL", what she actually believes and does, how she can switch from literal to "SPIRITUAL" all in the same sentence, please inform me. Nothing but confusion here, and you know what that means.

Yes, kland!

Your silence obviously says the answer is no -- thus the law is the whole Pentateuch which includes Feasts Sabbaths, yearly Sabbath, and the Jubilee Sabbath. We are to understand the Sabbath with the whole law not just a narrow portion of it.