Elle, there were sacrifices after the Exodus that pointed forward to Christ's death which was NOT Passover.


Could this be why?
There are many who try to blend these two systems, using the texts that speak of the ceremonial law to prove that the moral law has been abolished; but this is a perversion of the Scriptures. The distinction between the two systems is broad and clear. The ceremonial system was made up of symbols pointing to Christ, to His sacrifice and His priesthood. This ritual law, with its sacrifices and ordinances, was to be performed by the Hebrews until type met antitype in the death of Christ, the Lamb of God that taketh away the sin of the world. Then all the sacrificial offerings were to cease. It is this law that Christ "took . . . out of the way, nailing it to His cross." Colossians 2:14. But concerning the law of Ten Commandments the psalmist declares, "Forever, O Lord, Thy word is settled in heaven." Psalm 119:89. And Christ Himself says, "Think not that I am come to destroy the law. . . . Verily I say unto you"--making the assertion as emphatic as possible--"Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled." Matthew 5:17, 18. Here He teaches, not merely what the claims of God's law had been, and were then, but that these claims should hold as long as the heavens and the earth remain. The law of God is as immutable as His throne. It will maintain its claims upon mankind in all ages. {PP 365.1}

And that's why you wish to deny her?

I do agree with the above that we shouldn’t be sacrificing animals today and those were types and shadows.

From my own studies(and this doesn’t come from Stephen at all as he never address this), this “substitution” notion stem from mis-understanding Isaiah 53:5 and from not understanding the meaning of the law of redemption or the sacrifices.

I made it very clear it my explanation my view why(read it again) and I never said nor even closely implied that Jesus sacrifice was pagan.

ProdigalOne, this is the third time(even 4th or more as I let many of them pass by) I catch you misrepresenting what I said (false witness). Be careful OK.

Again if you want to dig more into it, it would require to open another discussion because this type of study will require to go all over the Bible.

Elle, I have never intentionally misrepresented what you said! Your accusations are unfounded. I will admit that sometimes it is difficult to understand exactly what you are saying. Our exchange on your "A New Global Economics Restructure" thread is a prime example.

If you will carefully read my previous post, you will see that I was asking for clarification of your view:

"ARE YOU SAYING the Old Testament sacrificial system instituted by God was "a Pagan ritual"?"

By the way Elle, while we are on the topic of "misrepresenting" and "false witness". I'm wondering when you are going to change your profile to match your actual beliefs?

On your profile page, you claim to be a Seventh Day Adventist.
This is clearly not true!

The following is part of a comment I posted on your "Should We Quote EGW?" thread.

You did not reply to me there, perhaps you will do so here?


"Of course, I'm sure you realize that occasionally attending a Seventh Day Adventist Church does not make you a Seventh Day Adventist, anymore than spending time with Christians would qualify as salvation. It is a matter of matching the definition of a Seventh Day Adventist. In this case one must be in agreement with our Fundamental Beliefs. I know back in the eighties, agreement with the Fundamental Beliefs was a requirement for being a baptized member. To my knowledge, this has not changed.

I have just looked over the 28 Fundamental Beliefs with what I have gathered is your doctrinal system in mind. It is now apparent to me that you are not a Seventh Day Adventist. I do apologize for assuming you were.

Here are some of the doctrinal differences you appear to have with the Seventh Day Adventist Church:


Fundamental Belief #18 - Gift of Prophesy

Fundamental Belief #20 - Sabbath

Fundamental Belief #27 - Millenium In Heaven

Please forgive me if I have this wrong as I am not certain about your views on salvation. From what I have seen in some of your other discussions, you appear to believe that everyone will eventually be saved? This conflicts with Fundamental Belief #10 - Experience of Salvation."


I do hope that you decide to rectify your profile's false claim of being a Seventh Day Adventist, Elle. After all, misrepresenting one's faith is one of the worst forms of false witness.

Elle, you keep jumping from literal to spiritual without every explaining why and what you mean.

I have explained to you why in a many lenghty ways with many different laws as examples for about the last 3 or 4 years.

Alchemy only been here for what about 4 months(?), and he understood what I meant.

I have been consistent in my explanation and I do not jump from literal to spiritual. We all need to examine the literal to solve the "riddle" or "dark speeches" =the language the Lord speaks with (see Num 12:8 -- look at the meaning of chiydah --h2420 and its root h2330) to try to understand what Jesus meant when He gave the law(Torah). Paul says these are types shaddows pointing to a spiritual realm. Paul says the LAW IS SPIRITUAL.

As with ProdigalOne, I view you are not lacking of intellect or ability of comprehension or communication skills.

I think the issue is not that you lack understanding of my point, but rather a violation of Lev 3:17;

I will no longer address your comments or questions if I see that your goal is only to violate the law I pointed to you above.

Elle, I have never intentionally misrepresented what you said! Your accusations are unfounded. I will admit that sometimes it is difficult to understand exactly what you are saying. Our exchange on your "A New Global Economics Restructure" thread is a prime example.

If you will carefully read my previous post, you will see that I was asking for clarification of your view:

"ARE YOU SAYING the Old Testament sacrificial system instituted by God was "a Pagan ritual"?"

You could start at, There is some truth in this statement : "Jones teaches that the Sabbath was changed to Sunday as part of the New Covenant"

How was the Sabbath changed to Sunday?

You are in a bad habit of breaking discussion rules. You are making a mess in the discussions when you go off-topic like this or when your focuss is on the individual instead on the topic.

I have answered you in the other more appropriate discussion here. In the futur, I will not answer these anymore. Let's stick to the discussion at hand .... shall we?

You are in a bad habit of breaking discussion rules. You are making a mess in the discussions when you go off-topic like this or when your focuss is on the individual instead on the topic.

I have answered you in the other more appropriate discussion here. In the futur, I will not answer these anymore. Let's stick to the discussion at hand .... shall we?