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Re: Examining the Claims by Ron Wyatt [Re: Daryl] #178563
11/30/15 02:57 AM
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You sure didn't structure that sentence appropriately. You didn't even mention his name after just talking about Ron Wyatt. Now I'm going to have to contact Branstater to prove if you are lying or not. You know my name what is yours so I can talk to Branstater to prove if you are lying?


Search me oh God and know my heart, test me and know my anxious thoughts, see if there is any offensive way in me and lead me to the way everlasting. Amen
Re: Examining the Claims by Ron Wyatt [Re: Daryl] #178564
11/30/15 03:06 AM
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Why don't you ask Brandstater about when he stalked Ron all the way to Turkey, claiming he just happen to meet him? Ask him how many different groups of people he was talking about when he said the Hotel was buzzing with men LOOKING for the ark. Ron had already been acknowledged by the Turkish government as the finder of true Noah's ark and BRANDSTATER was totally on board then. He used to claim that GOD led him to be a helper for Ron.

Ask him how he went from being an avid supported, not just casual, but obsessed with the Noah's Ark discovery, then when he wasn't permitted to see the ark of the covenant he turned on Ron.

***** STAFF EDIT *****

Last edited by Daryl; 12/01/15 12:29 AM. Reason: Removed inappropriate content.

Search me oh God and know my heart, test me and know my anxious thoughts, see if there is any offensive way in me and lead me to the way everlasting. Amen
Re: Examining the Claims by Ron Wyatt [Re: jamesonofthunder] #178570
11/30/15 08:38 AM
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Originally Posted By: jamesonofthunder
Originally Posted By: James Peterson
Nobody "has" sin. Sin is transgression. It has nothing to do with your physical body (DNA or otherwise), but with the state of your mind because of your own decisions. Jesus said, "Hear and understand: Not what goes into the mouth defiles a man; but what comes out of the mouth, this defiles a man." (Mat. 15:10-11)
You misuse and abuse the truth and make your own doctrines. How sad for you.

"The lower passions have their seat in the body and work through it. The words “flesh” or “fleshly” or “carnal lusts” embrace the lower, corrupt nature; the flesh of itself cannot act contrary to the will of God. We are commanded to crucify the flesh, with the affections and lusts. How shall we do it? Shall we inflict pain on the body? No; but put to death the temptation to sin. The corrupt thought is to be expelled. Every thought is to be brought into captivity to Jesus Christ. All animal propensities are to be subjected to the higher powers of the soul. The love of God must reign supreme; Christ must occupy an undivided throne. Our bodies are to be regarded as His purchased possession. The members of the body are to become the instruments of righteousness.19 {AH 127.2}

"He has borne our sins in His own body on the tree; and through the power He has given us, we may resist the world, the flesh, and the devil. {MYP 105.1}

"The humanity of Christ is called “that holy thing.” The inspired record says of Christ, “He did no sin,” he “knew no sin,” and “in him was no sin.” He was “holy, harmless, undefiled, separate from sinners.” He tabernacled among men. This testimony concerning Christ plainly shows that he condemned sin in the flesh. No man can say that he is hopelessly subject to the bondage of sin and Satan. Christ has assumed the responsibilities of the human race, and the sins of all that believe are charged to him. He has engaged to be liable for them. He obeyed every jot and tittle of the law, to testify before unfallen worlds, before holy angels, before the fallen world, that those who believe in him, who accept of him as their sin-offering, who rely upon him as their personal Saviour, will be advantaged by his righteousness, and become partakers of his divine nature. He testifies that through his imputed righteousness the believing soul shall obey the commandments of God. {ST January 16, 1896, par. 7}

So YOU have sin in YOUR big toe. Good for you.

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Re: Examining the Claims by Ron Wyatt [Re: Daryl] #178573
11/30/15 05:48 PM
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Originally Posted By: james peterson
So YOU have sin in YOUR big toe. Good for you.
Isaiah 1:5-6 Why should you be stricken any more? you will revolt more and more: the whole head is sick, and the whole heart faint. 6 From the sole of the foot even to the head there is no soundness in it; but wounds, and bruises, and putrefying sores: they have not been closed, neither bound up, neither mollified with ointment.


Oh, that men might open their minds to know God as he is revealed in his Son! {ST, January 20, 1890}
Re: Examining the Claims by Ron Wyatt [Re: Daryl] #178575
12/01/15 12:33 AM
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ADMIN HAT ON!!!!!

Please post to the thread topic and stop getting personal against each other in your posts.

If this continues, I will close this thread until I am ready to post my own post in response to the two videos in this thread.

ADMIN HAT OFF!!!!!

Last edited by Daryl; 12/01/15 01:25 PM. Reason: Edited to be more specific on what videos I am referring to.

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Re: Examining the Claims by Ron Wyatt [Re: Daryl] #178580
12/01/15 05:11 AM
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Originally Posted By: jsot
You sure didn't structure that sentence appropriately. You didn't even mention his name after just talking about Ron Wyatt.
Context my friend, context.
Originally Posted By: jsot
wasn't permitted to see the ark of the covenant he turned on Ron.
Because there was no ark. It was all fabricated by Ron.

From http://ldolphin.org/wyatt.html

Ron Wyatt Information Resources

QUESTIONS & ANSWERS

Q. We had a man named Ron Wyatt who came to our city and claimed that he had discovered Noah's Ark and even the Ark of the Covenant? Is this for real?


A. Ron Wyatt, who has been telling his tales of discovering Noah's Ark, the chariots of Pharaoh, the pillars of Solomon, the true  Mt. Sinai, the tomb of the Patriarchs, Sodom & Gomorrah, the place of Christ's crucifixion, and the Ark of the Covenant for many years, has been documented as an archaeological fraud. Both former "friends" as well as professional archaeologists in his own denomination (Seventh- Day Adventist) have published detailed refutations of all of his "discoveries." Rather than go into such details here we refer those interested in the documentation against Wyatt to request a free packet of papers by archaeologists in Wyatt's denomination from: Dr. David Merling, Associate Director & Curator, Institute of Archaeology, Horn Archaeological Museum, Andrews University, Berrien Springs, MI 49104-0990.

 

(E-Mail: [url=mailto:hornmusm@andrews.edu]hornmusm@andrews.edu[/url]). Extensive examinations of his most extravagant claims may be found on the Internet at: http://www.tentmaker.org/WAR/ (and especially the following at this site:


http://www.tentmaker.org/WAR/Fenner.html
http://www.tentmaker.org/WAR/BaumgardnerLetter.html
http://www.tentmaker.org/WAR/HasNoahsArkBeenFound1.html
http://www.tentmaker.org/WAR/HasNoahsArkBeenFound2.html,
http://www.icr.org/pubs/imp/imp-231.htm
http://www.answersingenesis.org/Docs/526.asp
http://www.answersingenesis.org/Docs/1154.asp

http://www.fui.com/cim/reports/wyatt.txt
http://www.mysite.xtra.co.nz/~Papanui


Yet, despite the fact that Wyatt has never submitted verifiable evidence for his claims to competent authorities, his books, video tapes and lectures in churches and at hotel meeting rooms (with the Prophecy Club) have won him a fervent following among less discerning Christians. Concerning the claims that most excite his audiences - his supposed discovery of Noah's Ark and the Ark of the Covenant - we may briefly state the following. His Noah's Ark site had been examined and long abandoned by Ark hunters and geologists as a natural formation before Wyatt and others came to the spot, and it has continued to be proven to be such (even though the Turks gave it credibility for the sake of tourism). There are eight other smaller formations like it in the area, so if this is Noah's Ark there must have been a fleet of them!  As to the Ark of the Covenant, Wyatt says that he found it along with the Table of Shewbread, the Golden Altar of Incense, and the Menorah (a seven-branched candelabra) which stood in the ancient Temple, in a cave inside the hill called "Gordon's Calvary" in eastern Jerusalem. Wyatt even says he scrapped blood off of the Mercy Seat of the Ark, had it analyzed and found it to have half the normal number of human chromosomes (therefore, the blood of the Virgin born Christ). He further says that the Ark was positioned in such a way so that when Christ was crucified His blood fell through a hole in the cliff above and landed on the Mercy Seat  (thus fulfilling the atonement typified by this object). While such a story thrills audiences, "Gordon's Calvary" cannot be the place of Christ's crucifixion. It has no archaeological support, whereas the Church of the Holy Sepulcher, identified with Christ's crucifixion  since the 4th century A.D. has much). "Gordon's Calvary" at the site of the Protestant "Garden Tomb" is part of a complex of First Temple tombs (about 600 years before Christ), but the New Testament says Jesus tomb was "newly hewn" ().Wyatt's "discoveries" have been rejected by real archaeologists not because, as Wyatt contends, they are jealous, or lack faith, but because his stories are unsubstantiated by facts. If facts are the basis for our faith (Christ actually died and rose again), then it is no lack of faith to demand of those with incredible claims that they be supported with evidence. The bottom line is: Wyatt has given us nothing to believe, so believe nothing he says! 

Posted November 20, 1999



ARCHEOLOGY WITH RON WYATT: a personal account by Bernard Brandstater



Letter from Joe Zias

Date: Thu, 8 Aug 1996 10:13:12 +0300 (IDT)
From: jo@israntique.org.il
To: jsearcy@connecti.org.il
Cc: Harriet@israntique.org.il
Subject: Re: Ron Wyatt

Dear Mr. Searcy

Mr. Ron Wyatt is neither an archaeologist nor has he ever carried out a legally licensed excavation in Israel or Jerusalem. In order to excavate one must have at least a BA in archaeology which he does not possess despite his claims to the contrary. We are aware of his claims which border on the absurd as they have no scientific basis whatsoever nor have they ever been published in a professional journal. They fall into the category of trash which one finds in tabloids such as the National Enquirer, Sun etc. It's amazing that anyone would believe them. Furthermore, he has been thoroughly discredited by various Christian organizations such as Creation Research in Calif. For the latest on his "discoveries" I suggest going into the WWW (use Vista) someone called Tentmaker decided to do an expose of his various claims. Here you will find the truth, which is more amazing that his (RW) fictions.

Shalom

Joe Zias
Curator of Anthropology/Archaeology
Israel Antiquities Authority
POB 586, Jerusalem
Tel. 972 2 292624


Oh, that men might open their minds to know God as he is revealed in his Son! {ST, January 20, 1890}
Re: Examining the Claims by Ron Wyatt [Re: kland] #178605
12/02/15 08:17 PM
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Originally Posted By: kland
Quote:
Brother Ron brought and tested blood samples
What makes you think so?


If you answer nothing else, what makes you think "Brother Ron brought and tested blood samples"?
I'd like to know the answer to this.

Re: Examining the Claims by Ron Wyatt [Re: Daryl] #178667
12/06/15 09:55 PM
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Here is another link that is pertinent to this thread:

http://www.tentmaker.org/Dew/Dew7/D7-AGreatChristianScam.html


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Re: Examining the Claims by Ron Wyatt [Re: Daryl] #178669
12/06/15 11:54 PM
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Convinced yet?


Oh, that men might open their minds to know God as he is revealed in his Son! {ST, January 20, 1890}
Re: Examining the Claims by Ron Wyatt [Re: APL] #178670
12/07/15 01:29 AM
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Originally Posted By: APL
Convinced yet?


I'm convinced about Ron Wyatt.

But, I still believe what he found about the Red Sea Crossing is the best understanding of that event. Even if he did plant the chariot wheels.

That whole location of the crossing point, the travel of the Israelites and location of Mt. Sinai all make the most sense.

So, I need a better explanation in order to change my mind on that one.

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