Is it satan's tactics to call black white and white black?
That is, if certain ones do black things, does that make them white?

Do you define "cruelty" by what is done or who is doing it?
That is, do you even see it possible to have God on trial?

You said something like that before that didn't make sense. Could you explain how God killed Saul? Are you saying, as the scenario I presented, that Saul was in the act of killing himself and just in the nick of time, God stepped in and killed him?

God didn't just step in and kill Saul.

The Bible says God killed Saul and that is clearly stated. There isn't any misunderstanding that point.

So, let me try to say it this way, not that I am in any way saying you will understand it, but, that God only kills those who kill themselves! Once we go too far from God, we have in essence killed ourselves. Or maybe we can say judged ourselves. Those are the people God inevitably kills.

(bold emphasis mine)

God has allowed Himself to be judged, or on trial, by His creation. He allows His creation to watch how sin and sinners progress and how only the love of God can save them. God knows He is innocent and will demonstrate this to all His creation.

And all His creation had perfect love and harmony to begin with!!

What a wonderful God we serve.

I hope you understand how confusing this sounds.

God kills those who kill themselves?

Why would God need to kill someone who killed himself? It sounds like you're redefining something.

Did you answer the question being asked?

Alchemy and Dedication,

Why is it important to you that God hurts people?

God is not out to hurt anyone, it is by the mercy of God that we have life, and blessings.
God suffers daily in agony seeing what sin is doing to His creation, seeing how people are clinging to the deceitfulness of sin and rejecting the amazing gift life God has offered to them through the blood of Christ.

It is His love and longsuffering that has allowed sin to display itself all these years longing that people will come to repentance.

The reason this theory that God will not destroy sin is so wrong is because it denies the real true source of salvation.

It denies that Christ died FOR our sins,
It denies that Christ took the GUILT of our sins, and died the punishment that the law demands.

God's law, if transgressed in just one point, demands the penalty of death. When sin manifested itself the law demanded the death of the transgressor.
Not to execute that penalty would be PUTTING ASIDE God's law as arbitrary.

The only reason life continued after sin entered, is because CHRIST stepped in as the substitute from the "foundation of the world" as "the Lamb for sin". The law could not be put aside -- the penalty must be paid, the law is NOT arbitrary, it cannot be bent or lifted or put aside to forgive sin-- and remember, all have sinned. No amount of good works will erase the fact that all have sinned.

Christ stepped in to take the guilt and the punishment the law demanded, so that people could have extended life and be given another chance to choose which master they will serve.
Satan, the master of sin and darkness -- or
God, the master of righteousness, holiness and life.

Upon the cross Christ died FOR the sins of the whole world. He bore the guilt of the sins of the whole world. He died of a broken heart due to the guilt of our sins and the terrible dark separation from God the Father it engulfed Him in. The whole human race is bought back as God's people by HIS BLOOD.

1 Cor. 15:22-24 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive. But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming. Then cometh the end,






Christ didn't just die as an example of what sinful people will do -- even though that was part of it -- He died FOR our sins.

Now it is very true that what took place on the cross did show the utter evil of Satan who drove people to kill the "Life Giver and Creator".
And in the final end, that example will completely reveal the utter depth the rebellion of sin leads people into, for when God restores to them life (for all will rise again because and only because Christ died and rose again) yet what is the reaction of those not "in Christ" upon seeing the Holy City? There is no trace of repentance, only desire to inhabit the city, no trace of repentance. Then Satan again leads them into a great attack upon the City to conquer it, dethrone and kill God, and take over the city.

Was God just in judging them as incurable and thus they missed out on the 1000 years in heaven and are now outside the city?

Now they demonstrate the ultimate show of treason and rebellion, they would pull God Himself off His throne and kill Him. They have utterly reject the life that Christ bought for them with his own blood.
This is punished by death, because they have rejected the only means by which they could have had life. It shows the utter incurable nature of sin of those who rejected the righteousness of Christ. They have never looked to Christ as their sin bearer and Redeemer from sin. The resurrected life Christ bought for them with His own blood is used only to further and intensify sin and rebellion. To allow them to live would only immortalize misery and sin, if God didn't put an immediate and complete end.
It's true that violence erupts when the lost realize there is no hope of actually taking the city, their fighting is just another show of the terrorist nature of sin, there is no joy or peace in their camp.
God cannot and will not continue to give life to sin.
Revelation 20 tells us that fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.

Like the parable of the ungrateful servant, forgiven a huge debt, whose nature is not changed by this amazing gift, ends up having the full debt again placed upon him and must bear the penalty of it --
So mankind is offered full pardon of their sin, but most won't acknowledge this, and won't be changed by it, and in the end must bear the penalty of their sin.

How our sinning must grieve the heart of God, Who did and does so much to give us life.

This train of thought continues to express complete lack of understanding. Transgressors do receive punishment for sin, but the question is HOW? Your idea that God MUST inflict the punishment by direct action of execution makes God out to be a repugnant dictator and sin not all that bad as it really does not result in death, God MUST inflict that death. God becomes the revengeful and severe tyrant that Satan has claimed Him to be. NO. Sin is an evil thing for it destroys the works of God. God's punishment, God's wrath as Romans 1 states, it when God stops preventing the natural consequence of sin, and death as Ellen White writes is the INEVITABLE results of sin. Have you read Desire of Ages chapter 79 recently? Read every paragraph.

The couple of weeks, I made Patriarchs and Prophets my study again. How God punishes is repeatedly displayed, just as it is in the other works of Ellen White, such as {GC 36} which so many want to reject about the truth of how sinners will meet their end. The testimony of the Sanctuary also is not understood.

David had neglected the duty of punishing the crime of Amnon, and because of the unfaithfulness of the king and father and the impenitence of the son, the Lord permitted events to take their natural course, and did not restrain Absalom. When parents or rulers neglect the duty of punishing iniquity, God Himself will take the case in hand. His restraining power will be in a measure removed from the agencies of evil, so that a train of circumstances will arise which will punish sin with sin. {PP 728.1}

Psalms 73:17 Until I went into the sanctuary of God; then understood I their end.

No. That's not answering the question.

Not sure what what question you were answering, but you then you went to support why you thought it was justified for God to hurt people.

The question is:

Why is it important to you, Dedication,
for God to hurt people?

You are ignoring all the passages to the contrary, attempting to support that which is difficult for you as evidenced by answering some other question not asked.

Why do you have this deep down need for God to cause pain to others?