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Re: Rejection of the Testimonies Foretold, Part 1 [Re: Charity] #182650
03/03/17 03:13 PM
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Originally Posted By: Mark Shipowick
Originally Posted By: His child
The literal 490 weeks doubled allotted to America or Apostate Protestantism ends 10 March 2017.


HC, did you mean to say 70 weeks doubled rather than 490?


The 70 years in Daniel 9 turned out to be 490 years.

In the endtime they are 70 weeks 7 times or 490 weeks. And they double.

The decree that begins the sequencing:

Quote:
“Know therefore and understand, [that] from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince [shall be] seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times” (Daniel 9:25).


The translators of Daniel supplemented much of what he wrote with their understanding of prophecy fulfilled. Like they knew that Babylon, Medo-Persia, Greece and Rome were the 4 kingdoms that fulfilled Daniel 2 & 7 so when they could have used reign of the king in translating malkew they used kingdom. The translators set up the mindset that Daniel was about kingdoms. And that is as God ordained because the endtime meaning was sealed and closed until knowledge increased.

My word for word translation of Daniel 9:25 with no understanding whatsoever of Hebrew or Aramaic Simply using Strong's Concordance to work out a word by word rendition:

Quote:
Know therefore and understand that from the going forth of the command to apostatize by the mother to the children teaching peace unto the anointing of the ruler shall be seven weeks and threescore and two weeks. This is enlarged: from the mother’s decree to the children, the time of anguish shall come again (Daniel 9:25, endtime meaning).


The decree was issued by Pope John-Paul II 31 May 1998. It was Dies Domini (the Lord’s Day). It links Sunday to peace in sections 1, 18, 26, 33, 44, 52, 67, & 73. Dies Domini was issued on May 31, 1998 (the 6th of Sivan on the Hebrew calendar).

“On the 6th Sivan…after the Exodus, G-d revealed Himself on Mount Sinai” and gave the Ten Commandments.
www.chabad.org/calendar/view/day_cdo/aid/282243/jewish/Torah-Given.htm

On the anniversary of God giving the 10 Commandments, the pope repeated the papacy's teaching that changed the Sabbath to Sunday.

The endtime fulfillment of Daniel 9:25—From the going forth of the command to apostatize (the 31 May 1998 decree), unto the anointing of the ruler shall be 69-weeks — this time of anguish shall come again (for the 69-week time of anguish to come again, the 69 weeks double to 138 weeks). From the command to apostatize issued on Sunday, 31 May 1998, the 138 weeks ended on Saturday, 20 January 2001. On the last day of the 138th week, the Protestant counterfeit prince of the covenant, George Walker Bush, was inaugurated (anointed) as President of the United States of America!
President Bush II was elected by a Protestant majority, to bring America back to its Protestant heritage and to restore the dignity of the presidency that had been marred by President Clinton’s Oval Office scandal. Bush II was anointed a political leader (President of the United States of America) with a Protestant (religious) mandate! The Bush II anointing fits the 138 week reading of Daniel 9:25, and it establishes 31 May 1998 as the beginning of the endtime 490 weeks:

maybe more later


"Ignorance is sin, when knowledge can be obtained" (HR, September 1, 1866 par. 3). www.loudcry101.com
Re: Rejection of the Testimonies Foretold, Part 1 [Re: His child] #182651
03/04/17 12:45 PM
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Originally Posted By: His child
Originally Posted By: Mark Shipowick
Originally Posted By: His child
The literal 490 weeks doubled allotted to America or Apostate Protestantism ends 10 March 2017.


HC, did you mean to say 70 weeks doubled rather than 490?


The 70 years in Daniel 9 turned out to be 490 years.

In the endtime they are 70 weeks 7 times or 490 weeks. And they double.

The decree that begins the sequencing:

Quote:
“Know therefore and understand, [that] from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince [shall be] seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times” (Daniel 9:25).


The translators of Daniel supplemented much of what he wrote with their understanding of prophecy fulfilled. Like they knew that Babylon, Medo-Persia, Greece and Rome were the 4 kingdoms that fulfilled Daniel 2 & 7 so when they could have used reign of the king in translating malkew they used kingdom. The translators set up the mindset that Daniel was about kingdoms. And that is as God ordained because the endtime meaning was sealed and closed until knowledge increased.

My word for word translation of Daniel 9:25 with no understanding whatsoever of Hebrew or Aramaic Simply using Strong's Concordance to work out a word by word rendition:

Quote:
Know therefore and understand that from the going forth of the command to apostatize by the mother to the children teaching peace unto the anointing of the ruler shall be seven weeks and threescore and two weeks. This is enlarged: from the mother’s decree to the children, the time of anguish shall come again (Daniel 9:25, endtime meaning).


The decree was issued by Pope John-Paul II 31 May 1998. It was Dies Domini (the Lord’s Day). It links Sunday to peace in sections 1, 18, 26, 33, 44, 52, 67, & 73. Dies Domini was issued on May 31, 1998 (the 6th of Sivan on the Hebrew calendar).

“On the 6th Sivan…after the Exodus, G-d revealed Himself on Mount Sinai” and gave the Ten Commandments.
www.chabad.org/calendar/view/day_cdo/aid/282243/jewish/Torah-Given.htm

On the anniversary of God giving the 10 Commandments, the pope repeated the papacy's teaching that changed the Sabbath to Sunday.

The endtime fulfillment of Daniel 9:25—From the going forth of the command to apostatize (the 31 May 1998 decree), unto the anointing of the ruler shall be 69-weeks — this time of anguish shall come again (for the 69-week time of anguish to come again, the 69 weeks double to 138 weeks). From the command to apostatize issued on Sunday, 31 May 1998, the 138 weeks ended on Saturday, 20 January 2001. On the last day of the 138th week, the Protestant counterfeit prince of the covenant, George Walker Bush, was inaugurated (anointed) as President of the United States of America!
President Bush II was elected by a Protestant majority, to bring America back to its Protestant heritage and to restore the dignity of the presidency that had been marred by President Clinton’s Oval Office scandal. Bush II was anointed a political leader (President of the United States of America) with a Protestant (religious) mandate! The Bush II anointing fits the 138 week reading of Daniel 9:25, and it establishes 31 May 1998 as the beginning of the endtime 490 weeks:

maybe more later

(bold emphasis mine)

Daniel 9 gives us a seventy week prophecy, not a seventy year prophecy. There isn't a 490 year or 490 weeks prophecy in Daniel 9 either. There is a seventy week prophecy that ends up 490 days or years prophecy.

Did you mis-speak in these statements HC?

Re: Rejection of the Testimonies Foretold, Part 1 [Re: Alchemy] #182657
03/04/17 08:49 PM
03/04/17 08:49 PM
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Originally Posted By: Alchemy


Daniel 9 gives us a seventy week prophecy, not a seventy year prophecy. There isn't a 490 year or 490 weeks prophecy in Daniel 9 either. There is a seventy week prophecy that ends up 490 days or years prophecy.

Did you mis-speak in these statements HC?


No it was not a misspeak. Thanks for asking.

Quote:
“Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy” (Daniel 9:24).


What are the endtime meanings of Gabriel’s words? Upon thy holy city: holy is from a word that means both Sanctuary and to prepare. City is from a word meaning to awaken. Daniel 9:24 is saying: 70 weeks listed 7 times (490 weeks) are determined upon thy people and upon those preparing: to awaken everyone, to finish the transgression, to make an end of sins, to make an atonement for iniquity, to bring in everlasting righteousness, to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint those that are prepared.

seventy weeks are determined 7 times upon thy people

70…to awaken and prepare
70…to finish the transgression
70…to end sin and to seal up sinners
70…to make reconciliation for iniquity
70…to bring in everlasting righteousness
70…to seal the vision and prophecy
70…to anoint the prepared
70 weeks 7 times are 490 weeks

Quote:
“Know therefore and understand, [that] from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince [shall be] seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times” (Daniel 9:25).


This is the first phase of the 70 week prophecy.

The 70 weeks of 7 days each to get 490 years that end at the stoning f Stephen.

In the end time, it is 70 weeks 7 times or 490 weeks.

Quote:
“The book that was sealed is…that portion of the prophecy of Daniel relating to the last days” AA 585.1


Quote:
“The light that Daniel received from God was given especially for these last days. The visions…are now in process of fulfillment, and all the events foretold will soon come to pass.”TM 112.3


Since Daniel 9 is in the third portion, and it was fulfilled in Christ’s Day (2000 years ago), there must be a more complete fulfillment of Daniel 9 coming.

I am speaking of 490 weeks doubled that begin 31 May 1998 and end on 11 March 2017. I did misspeak to say 10 March 2017. These 490 weeks doubled end on Sabbath 11 March 2017.

Purim begins Saturday, March 11, 2017
and ends /Sunday, March 12, 2017


"Ignorance is sin, when knowledge can be obtained" (HR, September 1, 1866 par. 3). www.loudcry101.com
Re: Rejection of the Testimonies Foretold, Part 1 [Re: His child] #182662
03/05/17 07:49 AM
03/05/17 07:49 AM
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Originally Posted By: His child
Originally Posted By: Alchemy


Daniel 9 gives us a seventy week prophecy, not a seventy year prophecy. There isn't a 490 year or 490 weeks prophecy in Daniel 9 either. There is a seventy week prophecy that ends up 490 days or years prophecy.

Did you mis-speak in these statements HC?


No it was not a misspeak. Thanks for asking.

Quote:
“Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy” (Daniel 9:24).


What are the endtime meanings of Gabriel’s words? Upon thy holy city: holy is from a word that means both Sanctuary and to prepare. City is from a word meaning to awaken. Daniel 9:24 is saying: 70 weeks listed 7 times (490 weeks) are determined upon thy people and upon those preparing: to awaken everyone, to finish the transgression, to make an end of sins, to make an atonement for iniquity, to bring in everlasting righteousness, to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint those that are prepared.

seventy weeks are determined 7 times upon thy people

70…to awaken and prepare
70…to finish the transgression
70…to end sin and to seal up sinners
70…to make reconciliation for iniquity
70…to bring in everlasting righteousness
70…to seal the vision and prophecy
70…to anoint the prepared
70 weeks 7 times are 490 weeks

Quote:
“Know therefore and understand, [that] from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince [shall be] seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times” (Daniel 9:25).


This is the first phase of the 70 week prophecy.

The 70 weeks of 7 days each to get 490 years that end at the stoning f Stephen.

In the end time, it is 70 weeks 7 times or 490 weeks.

Quote:
“The book that was sealed is…that portion of the prophecy of Daniel relating to the last days” AA 585.1


Quote:
“The light that Daniel received from God was given especially for these last days. The visions…are now in process of fulfillment, and all the events foretold will soon come to pass.”TM 112.3


Since Daniel 9 is in the third portion, and it was fulfilled in Christ’s Day (2000 years ago), there must be a more complete fulfillment of Daniel 9 coming.

I am speaking of 490 weeks doubled that begin 31 May 1998 and end on 11 March 2017. I did misspeak to say 10 March 2017. These 490 weeks doubled end on Sabbath 11 March 2017.

Purim begins Saturday, March 11, 2017
and ends /Sunday, March 12, 2017


When we use the day for a year principle, we have Biblical support for it. Do you have any Biblical support for interpreting 490 weeks as you did in this post?

Re: Rejection of the Testimonies Foretold, Part 1 [Re: Alchemy] #182663
03/05/17 12:34 PM
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Originally Posted By: Alchemy


When we use the day for a year principle, we have Biblical support for it. Do you have any Biblical support for interpreting 490 weeks as you did in this post?


The biblical support for the day for a year application is not a license to use it as a standard for interpreting all Bible prophecy. In Ezekiel that principle is linked to the destruction of the Temple. Thus it is applied correctly to prophecies that link to the restoration of the Temple.

The biblical support for the 70 weeks repreated 7 times is confirmed through Bible study.

Quote:
“Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy” (Daniel 9:24).


When I understood the following, I had to study the prophecy and history to see if it were true

Quote:
Understand the words and
understand the vision:
seventy weeks are determined 7 times
upon thy people
70…to awaken and prepare
70…to finish the transgression
70…to end sin and to seal up sinners
70…to make reconciliation for iniquity
70…to bring in everlasting righteousness
70…to seal the vision and prophecy
70…to anoint the prepared
70 weeks 7 times are 490 weeks


Quote:
Know therefore and understand that from the going forth of the command to apostatize by the mother to the children teaching peace unto the anointing of the ruler shall be seven weeks and threescore and two weeks. This is enlarged: from the mother’s decree to the children, the time of anguish shall come again (Daniel 9:25, endtime meaning based on my word study from Strong's).


The mother church is the Roman Catholic Church because she is the mother of the Protestant churches that left her. The Roman Church’s decree teaching peace was Dies Domini (the Lord’s Day). It links Sunday to peace in sections 1, 18, 26, 33, 44, 52, 67, & 73. Dies Domini was issued on May 31, 1998 (the 6th of Sivan on the Hebrew calendar)

The endtime fulfillment of Daniel 9:25—From the going forth of the command to apostatize (the 31 May 1998 decree), unto the anointing of the ruler shall be 69-weeks — this time of anguish shall come again (for the 69-week time of anguish to come again, the 69 weeks double to 138 weeks). From the command to apostatize issued on Sunday, 31 May 1998, the 138 weeks ended on Saturday, 20 January 2001. On the last day of the 138th week, the Protestant counterfeit prince of the covenant, George Walker Bush, was inaugurated (anointed) as President of the United States of America!

The Bush II anointing fits the 138 week reading of Daniel 9:25, and it establishes 31 May 1998 as the beginning of the endtime 490 weeks:

None of the Presidents from Truman through Clinton were prophesied to be anointed the Prince of the Covenant. George (Walker) Bush II was anointed the Protestant Prince of America’s Constitution (the Aramaic word in the Bible translated as covenant is also translated constitution). What else is prophesied about President Bush II in the endtime?

Quote:
“And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof [shall be] with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined. And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make [it] desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate” (Daniel 9:26 - 27).


After Bush II (messiah is the anointed one) was anointed 20 January 2001, he had an allotted time. After it ended, he failed to do his job—keep the United States safe.

Threescore has been translated as six multiplied by ten. According to Strong, in certain tenses the number is added to ten rather than being multiplied by it. In Daniel 9:26, when the number six is added to ten, the text reads sixteen. The following word in Daniel 9:26 is two, but it has also been translated as twice or double (cf Nehemiah 23:20 & 2 Kings 2:9; 6:10). The endtime reading is: after 16 weeks doubled (32 weeks from President Bush’s inauguration), the anointed Protestant prince, was cut off (he failed). Bush II returned from vacation on 1 September 2001, shortly after that, he failed to keep America safe; on 11 September 2001, a surprise attack changed America and the world forever.

Quote:
After sixteen weeks doubled, the anointed one [Bush II] shall fail. The prince’s people shall attack and destroy the city’s set-apart places to cut them asunder. At the end of time, he will become incensed with anger even unto the end of the war that is appalling and decisive (9:26, endtime meaning based on my word study from Strong's).


After Bush II failed, the consequences of September 11 were self-evident. Daniel continues,
Quote:
“Bush II shall confirm the constitution with many for one week” (9:27, endtime meaning based on my word study from Strong's).


The week here brought to view is Constitution Week:

Quote:
“I, George W. Bush, President of the United States of America…do hereby proclaim...September 17 through September 23, 2001, as Constitution Week.”


“And in the midst of the week he shall cause the Sacrifice and the Oblation to cease” (Daniel 9:27). Constitution Week was not like a biblical week from Sunday to Sabbath, the week that Bush II set apart was from Monday (9/17/01) to Sunday (9/23/01). Thus in the midst of Constitution Week, Thursday (9/20/01), the apostate Protestant prince of the covenant, President George Bush II, caused Christ’s Sacrifice and Oblation to cease while addressing Congress in a speech that was broadcast to the world:

Quote:
“I also want to speak tonight directly to Muslims throughout the world. We respect your faith… Its teachings are good and peaceful, and those who commit evil in the name of Allah blaspheme the name of Allah.” http://www.americanrhetoric.com/speeches/gwbush911jointsessionspeech.htm


What do Muslims believe? A Muslim man wrote
Quote:
“if you are a clean hearted, clear minded, loving soul going through this life doing your best serving your Lord, the God of the universe, to the best of your ability, according to what you know, you are on the path of salvation.”


The belief that this Muslim shared is salvation by works! It is the belief that a man’s works will save him with no need of Christ. Jesus is the Sacrifice! His sacrifice is necessary on our behalf or we are doomed to die for our sins. The oblation is the necessity for each of us to receive Jesus as our personal Savior. Christ’s sacrifice is useless in our behalf unless we personally accept it as the Atonement for our sins.

When the anointed Protestant prince of the Covenant, declared that Muslim beliefs were good, Bush II voided Christ’s sacrifice! Bush II made void the oblation, the necessity of accepting Jesus as our personal Savior. He made all religions the same.

And my study continues to align events prophesied in each 70 week period to history seven times. And at the end of the 490 weeks, I show where they are repeated. The second 490 weeks end on 11 March 2017.

When the 490 years ended in Christ's day, the 70 times 7 time allotted to the Jews was ended and the gospel went to the gentiles.

The cup of Apostate Protestant America (gentiles) is full and the time allotted to her ends on 11 March 2017.


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Re: Rejection of the Testimonies Foretold, Part 1 [Re: Daryl] #182665
03/05/17 02:08 PM
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His Child,

Based on the following EGW quote that I posted earlier in this thread, there are no definite time in the message given of God since 1844, therefore, your time settings goes contrary to what she wrote.

Originally Posted By: Daryl
Ellen White wrote the following:
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No Time Prophecy Beyond 1844

I plainly stated at the Jackson camp meeting to these fanatical parties that they were doing the work of the adversary of souls; they were in darkness. They claimed to have great light that probation would close in October, 1884. I there stated in public that the Lord had been pleased to show me that there would be no definite time in the message given of God since 1844.--2SM 73 (1885). {LDE 35.3}

Our position has been one of waiting and watching, with no time-proclamation to intervene between the close of the prophetic periods in 1844 and the time of our Lord's coming.--10MR 270 (1888). {LDE 36.1}

The people will not have another message upon definite time. After this period of time [Revelation 10:4-6], reaching from 1842 to 1844, there can be no definite tracing of the prophetic time. The longest reckoning reaches to the autumn of 1844.--7BC 971 (1900). {LDE 36.2}


In His Love, Mercy & Grace,

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Re: Rejection of the Testimonies Foretold, Part 1 [Re: Alchemy] #182666
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Quote:
His Child : "The literal 490 weeks doubled allotted to America or Apostate Protestantism ends 10 March 2017."

Mark Shipowick : "HC, did you mean to say 70 weeks doubled rather than 490?

His Child : "The 70 years in Daniel 9 turned out to be 490 years.

In the endtime they are 70 weeks 7 times or 490 weeks. And they double.


Alchemy : "[i]Daniel 9 gives us a seventy week prophecy, not a seventy year prophecy. There isn't a 490 year or 490 weeks prophecy in Daniel 9 either. There is a seventy week prophecy that ends up 490 days or years prophecy.

From the beginning HC was not biblical by referring to 490 weeks. It became the "end of Biblical discussion" and entering into the "teachings of Men" realm. I'm sure no one of us wants to go there, including HC.

Mark was very kind seeking clarification .... Alchemy point was point on the Bible. I appreciate that Alchemy.

HC I agree with Alchemy that there's no 490 weeks. You are going way out of Biblical context. We have to stay within the Biblical context and revelation borders given by all scriptures.

As most of here knows, the 70 weeks Daniel prophesy is based on the Jubilee cycle of 7weeks x 7years having as a Sabbath every 7th and the 50th year [which was the 1st year of the next 7weeks x 7 years cycle].

So Daniel was saying 70weeks x 7years cycle -- which equates to 10 Jubilee cycles which equals to 490 years that ended at the time of Jesus 1st coming.

This 7weeks x 7 year Jubilee pattern was based on the 7weeks x 7 days pattern for the count down of 50 day-homers of Barley. So 50 days was counted from the wave sheaf day which was the first day of the 1st week of the 7 weeks Sabbath count down. The day after the 7 weeks x 7days count down was the 50th day. That day was known in the OT as "the feast of Weeks" (Deut 34:22; Deut 16:10; ...) aka "Pentecost" in Greek in the NT which means 50.

So in the law we have two application of 7 x 7.... the first in days with Pentecost, and the second in years with the Jubilee. However both of these are "types" of greater spiritual things to comes.

Then God applied these weeks-years with 70 x 7 .... which equal 10 Jubilee cycle to prophecy of Jesus 1st coming.

A good question to ask : Did this last week of the 70 weeks prophecy historically fell on a actual last week of Jubilee 49-years cycle starting from Adam? I refer to the calendar that starts from Adam as -- the Creation Jubilee Calendar. Or did God corrected some of the discrepencies that existed between the Jewish National Jubilee Calendar from God's Creation Jubilee Calendar with the 70 weeks prophesy? And if He did, did he fixed all or part of the discrepencies?

Let's do some math :

There's is 49 years in a Jubilee cycle - 38years = 11 years discrepencies. Is my math correct here?

But for those that wants to explore this question also ... here's a quote that can help understand that there's two calendars and the discrepencies of the two from an extract from Stephen Jones' book Daniel's Seventy Weeks. I appreciate Dr. Jones studies and his other book Secrets of Time where he expound more deeply about the different cycles found since Adam within God's Creation Jubilee Calendar. In the past 5+ years I have verified most of his data in his Secrets of Time book. I did find one error in one place of his calculation ...but the error was not about the 70 weeks, but somewhere else. But besides that single error... all the rest I wasn't able to find anything wrong with the dates, calculations, or falling outside of the Biblical scope.

Originally Posted By: Stephen Jones

The Sabbath years and Jubilees properly began with Moses, although there is no doubt that God had already been working out His Plan according to the Creation Jubilee Calendar. We know this especially in observing the life of Jacob, who was born on a Jubilee and died on a Jubilee at the age of 147. In my book, Secrets of Time, I show that Jacob was born in the year 2108. The 43rd Jubilee was 2107-2108 years from Adam.

His life-changing experience in wrestling with the angel in Genesis 32 occurred in 2206, when he was 98 years old. This was the 45th Jubilee from Adam.

Jacob died at the age of 147 (Gen. 47:28), precisely three Jubilees after he was born. This was the 46th Jubilee from Adam.

The precision of this in the divine plan shows that God kept track of the Jubilee cycles, even if men were ignorant of the Plan. Later, God brought Israel out of Egypt in the year 2448 in order to prepare them to enter the Promised Land at the beginning of the year 2450—which was the 50th Jubilee from Adam.

Here, however, is where it becomes complicated by sin. Israel refused to return to their inheritance on the Jubilee, believing the evil report of the ten spies instead of the good report of Caleb and Joshua. Their national Jubilees and Sabbath-Year cycles were supposed to align with the Creation Jubilee Calendar, and this is what would have occurred if they had entered the land on schedule. But instead, they entered 38 years later (Deut. 2:14) after spending 40 years in the wilderness. And so their national calendar did not align with the Creation Jubilee Calendar.

Their Sabbath years began when they entered the land 38 years late. Because this number is not divisible by seven, neither their Sabbaths nor Jubilees aligned properly with God’s Calendar.

Many centuries later their calendar ended with the Babylonian captivity. When they returned in 534, they re-established their calendar with the Sabbath Year cycles. Even so, they did not keep any Jubilees.

In Secrets of Time, I show how the year 465 B.C. (when Xerxes died and Artaxerxes began to reign) was the 70th Jubilee from Adam. Ezra was sent by decree seven years later in 458, which was the beginning of Daniel’s Seventy Weeks. This new prophetic calendar was just seven years misaligned with the Creation Jubilee Calendar. The Sabbath years were aligned, but there was still a seven-year discrepancy between Jubilee cycles.

Thus, the 80th Jubilee fell in 26 A.D., while the Seventy Weeks (i.e., 10 Jubilees) ended in 33 A.D. The intervening week formed the 70th week of Daniel.

The Creation Jubilee Calendar

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There had originally been a 38-year discrepancy between Israel’s calendar and the Creation Jubilee Calendar, caused by Israel’s refusal to enter Canaan on the 50th Jubilee from Adam. But divine judgment reduced this to a mere seven years. God aligned their Sabbath years with His Calendar, but the Jubilees remained misaligned and yet to be resolved.

The Dispensationalist teachers of the nineteenth and twentieth centuries did not understand this history, and so they did not comprehend Daniel’s 70th week. If they had understood that it represented the one-week discrepancy between the two calendars in Bible prophecy, they might have interpreted it in a more accurate manner. They assumed that God’s “clock” stopped at the end of the 69th week, and that the 70th week was pushed far into the future. The clock, they said, would begin with the time that they called “The Great Tribulation.”

If they had known history a little better, they would have seen that their view was unsustainable. In 26 A.D. Jesus was only 27 years of age and would not begin His ministry for yet three years. The year of His birth, along with the starting point of His ministry at the age of 30 will be proven in greater detail as we proceed.



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Re: Rejection of the Testimonies Foretold, Part 1 [Re: Elle] #182671
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Originally Posted By: Elle
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His Child : "The literal 490 weeks doubled allotted to America or Apostate Protestantism ends 10 March 2017."

Mark Shipowick : "HC, did you mean to say 70 weeks doubled rather than 490?

His Child : "The 70 years in Daniel 9 turned out to be 490 years.

In the endtime they are 70 weeks 7 times or 490 weeks. And they double.


Alchemy : "[i]Daniel 9 gives us a seventy week prophecy, not a seventy year prophecy. There isn't a 490 year or 490 weeks prophecy in Daniel 9 either. There is a seventy week prophecy that ends up 490 days or years prophecy.

From the beginning HC was not biblical by referring to 490 weeks. It became the "end of Biblical discussion" and entering into the "teachings of Men" realm. I'm sure no one of us wants to go there, including HC.

Mark was very kind seeking clarification .... Alchemy point was point on the Bible. I appreciate that Alchemy.

HC I agree with Alchemy that there's no 490 weeks. You are going way out of Biblical context. We have to stay within the Biblical context and revelation borders given by all scriptures.

As most of here knows, the 70 weeks Daniel prophesy is based on the Jubilee cycle of 7weeks x 7years having as a Sabbath every 7th and the 50th year [which was the 1st year of the next 7weeks x 7 years cycle].

So Daniel was saying 70weeks x 7years cycle -- which equates to 10 Jubilee cycles which equals to 490 years that ended at the time of Jesus 1st coming.

This 7weeks x 7 year Jubilee pattern was based on the 7weeks x 7 days pattern for the count down of 50 day-homers of Barley. So 50 days was counted from the wave sheaf day which was the first day of the 1st week of the 7 weeks Sabbath count down. The day after the 7 weeks x 7days count down was the 50th day. That day was known in the OT as "the feast of Weeks" (Deut 34:22; Deut 16:10; ...) aka "Pentecost" in Greek in the NT which means 50.

So in the law we have two application of 7 x 7.... the first in days with Pentecost, and the second in years with the Jubilee. However both of these are "types" of greater spiritual things to comes.

Then God applied these weeks-years with 70 x 7 .... which equal 10 Jubilee cycle to prophecy of Jesus 1st coming.

A good question to ask : Did this last week of the 70 weeks prophecy historically fell on a actual last week of Jubilee 49-years cycle starting from Adam? I refer to the calendar that starts from Adam as -- the Creation Jubilee Calendar. Or did God corrected some of the discrepencies that existed between the Jewish National Jubilee Calendar from God's Creation Jubilee Calendar with the 70 weeks prophesy? And if He did, did he fixed all or part of the discrepencies?

Let's do some math :

There's is 49 years in a Jubilee cycle - 38years = 11 years discrepencies. Is my math correct here?

But for those that wants to explore this question also ... here's a quote that can help understand that there's two calendars and the discrepencies of the two from an extract from Stephen Jones' book Daniel's Seventy Weeks. I appreciate Dr. Jones studies and his other book Secrets of Time where he expound more deeply about the different cycles found since Adam within God's Creation Jubilee Calendar. In the past 5+ years I have verified most of his data in his Secrets of Time book. I did find one error in one place of his calculation ...but the error was not about the 70 weeks, but somewhere else. But besides that single error... all the rest I wasn't able to find anything wrong with the dates, calculations, or falling outside of the Biblical scope.

Originally Posted By: Stephen Jones

The Sabbath years and Jubilees properly began with Moses, although there is no doubt that God had already been working out His Plan according to the Creation Jubilee Calendar. We know this especially in observing the life of Jacob, who was born on a Jubilee and died on a Jubilee at the age of 147. In my book, Secrets of Time, I show that Jacob was born in the year 2108. The 43rd Jubilee was 2107-2108 years from Adam.

His life-changing experience in wrestling with the angel in Genesis 32 occurred in 2206, when he was 98 years old. This was the 45th Jubilee from Adam.

Jacob died at the age of 147 (Gen. 47:28), precisely three Jubilees after he was born. This was the 46th Jubilee from Adam.

The precision of this in the divine plan shows that God kept track of the Jubilee cycles, even if men were ignorant of the Plan. Later, God brought Israel out of Egypt in the year 2448 in order to prepare them to enter the Promised Land at the beginning of the year 2450—which was the 50th Jubilee from Adam.

Here, however, is where it becomes complicated by sin. Israel refused to return to their inheritance on the Jubilee, believing the evil report of the ten spies instead of the good report of Caleb and Joshua. Their national Jubilees and Sabbath-Year cycles were supposed to align with the Creation Jubilee Calendar, and this is what would have occurred if they had entered the land on schedule. But instead, they entered 38 years later (Deut. 2:14) after spending 40 years in the wilderness. And so their national calendar did not align with the Creation Jubilee Calendar.

Their Sabbath years began when they entered the land 38 years late. Because this number is not divisible by seven, neither their Sabbaths nor Jubilees aligned properly with God’s Calendar.

Many centuries later their calendar ended with the Babylonian captivity. When they returned in 534, they re-established their calendar with the Sabbath Year cycles. Even so, they did not keep any Jubilees.

In Secrets of Time, I show how the year 465 B.C. (when Xerxes died and Artaxerxes began to reign) was the 70th Jubilee from Adam. Ezra was sent by decree seven years later in 458, which was the beginning of Daniel’s Seventy Weeks. This new prophetic calendar was just seven years misaligned with the Creation Jubilee Calendar. The Sabbath years were aligned, but there was still a seven-year discrepancy between Jubilee cycles.

Thus, the 80th Jubilee fell in 26 A.D., while the Seventy Weeks (i.e., 10 Jubilees) ended in 33 A.D. The intervening week formed the 70th week of Daniel.

The Creation Jubilee Calendar

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There had originally been a 38-year discrepancy between Israel’s calendar and the Creation Jubilee Calendar, caused by Israel’s refusal to enter Canaan on the 50th Jubilee from Adam. But divine judgment reduced this to a mere seven years. God aligned their Sabbath years with His Calendar, but the Jubilees remained misaligned and yet to be resolved.

The Dispensationalist teachers of the nineteenth and twentieth centuries did not understand this history, and so they did not comprehend Daniel’s 70th week. If they had understood that it represented the one-week discrepancy between the two calendars in Bible prophecy, they might have interpreted it in a more accurate manner. They assumed that God’s “clock” stopped at the end of the 69th week, and that the 70th week was pushed far into the future. The clock, they said, would begin with the time that they called “The Great Tribulation.”

If they had known history a little better, they would have seen that their view was unsustainable. In 26 A.D. Jesus was only 27 years of age and would not begin His ministry for yet three years. The year of His birth, along with the starting point of His ministry at the age of 30 will be proven in greater detail as we proceed.



Elle,

1) By all of the math from Stephen Jones it would appear you are simply doing your own date-setting whilst criticizing His Child for his.

2) Stephen Jones did not accurately do his math regarding the years of the patriarchs. It was Isaac, not Jacob, who was born in 2108. Where Mr. Jones made his mistake is most likely with the math required for the time of Abraham's birth. Terah was 130 years old when Abram was born, not 70 as most who do a superficial reading will conclude.


We can receive of heaven's light only as we are willing to be emptied of self. We can discern the character of God, and accept Christ by faith, only as we consent to the bringing into captivity of every thought to the obedience of Christ. And to all who do this, the Holy Spirit is given without measure. In Christ "dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily. And ye are complete in Him." [Colossians 2:9, 10.] {GW 57.1} -- Ellen White.
Re: Rejection of the Testimonies Foretold, Part 1 [Re: Daryl] #182676
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Originally Posted By: Daryl
His Child,

Based on the following EGW quote that I posted earlier in this thread, there are no definite time in the message given of God since 1844, therefore, your time settings goes contrary to what she wrote.

Originally Posted By: Daryl
Ellen White wrote the following:
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No Time Prophecy Beyond 1844

I plainly stated at the Jackson camp meeting to these fanatical parties that they were doing the work of the adversary of souls; they were in darkness. They claimed to have great light that probation would close in October, 1884. I there stated in public that the Lord had been pleased to show me that there would be no definite time in the message given of God since 1844.--2SM 73 (1885). {LDE 35.3}

Our position has been one of waiting and watching, with no time-proclamation to intervene between the close of the prophetic periods in 1844 and the time of our Lord's coming.--10MR 270 (1888). {LDE 36.1}

The people will not have another message upon definite time. After this period of time [Revelation 10:4-6], reaching from 1842 to 1844, there can be no definite tracing of the prophetic time. The longest reckoning reaches to the autumn of 1844.--7BC 971 (1900). {LDE 36.2}


And it's very important to note that Ellen White learned this principle from Scripture! That's right. The Bible teaches that time will be no more after 1844.

Re: Rejection of the Testimonies Foretold, Part 1 [Re: Daryl] #182680
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Originally Posted By: Daryl
His Child,

Based on the following EGW quote that I posted earlier in this thread, there are no definite time in the message given of God since 1844, therefore, your time settings goes contrary to what she wrote.

Originally Posted By: Daryl
Ellen White wrote the following:
Quote:
No Time Prophecy Beyond 1844

I plainly stated at the Jackson camp meeting to these fanatical parties that they were doing the work of the adversary of souls; they were in darkness. They claimed to have great light that probation would close in October, 1884. I there stated in public that the Lord had been pleased to show me that there would be no definite time in the message given of God since 1844.--2SM 73 (1885). {LDE 35.3}

Our position has been one of waiting and watching, with no time-proclamation to intervene between the close of the prophetic periods in 1844 and the time of our Lord's coming.--10MR 270 (1888). {LDE 36.1}

The people will not have another message upon definite time. After this period of time [Revelation 10:4-6], reaching from 1842 to 1844, there can be no definite tracing of the prophetic time. The longest reckoning reaches to the autumn of 1844.--7BC 971 (1900). {LDE 36.2}


Dear Daryl,

What did Sister white mean when she wrote "there would be no definite time in the message given of God since 1844.--2SM 73 (1885)"?

Definite time

Quote:
I have not presented before you any definite time, but have repeated to you the injunction of Christ himself, to watch unto prayer, "For in such an hour as ye think not, the Son of man cometh." [Matthew 24:44.] --Review and Herald, Aug. 21, 1888 {CE 114.2}


Quote:
The preaching of definite time called forth great opposition ... Many shepherds of the flock, who professed to love Jesus, said that they had no opposition to the preaching of Christ's coming, but they objected to the definite time. {EW 233.2}


Ellen White always used DEFINITE TIME to mean the definite day and hour of Christ's coming.

The quote that you cited LDE 36.1 has been removed from its setting and thus it is made to say something that EGW did not say.

Quote:
Our position has been one of waiting and watching, with no time-proclamation to intervene between the close of the prophetic periods in 1844 and the time of our Lord's coming. We do not know the day nor the hour, or when the definite time is, and yet the prophetic reckoning shows us that Christ is at the door. {10MR 270.1}


The error is not with my use of prophetic time after 1844 but with the world's view of all prophetic time that has crept into the church.

Quote:
The world placed all time proclamation on the same level and called it a delusion, fanaticism, and heresy. Ever since 1844 I have borne my testimony that we were now in a period of time in which we are to take heed to ourselves lest our hearts be overcharged with surfeiting and drunkenness, and cares of this life, and so that day come upon us unawares. Our position has been one of waiting and watching, with no time proclamation to intervene between the close of the prophetic periods in 1844 and the time of the Lord's coming. We do not know the day nor the hour, or when the definite time is, and yet the prophetic reckoning shows us that Christ is at the door. {16MR 178.2}


You read it as no time proclamation at all as the world reads it but I read it as no time proclamation of the Day and Hour of Christ's Coming as I believe EGW meant it.

Quote:

This time which the angel declares with a solemn oath, is not the end of this world's history, neither of probationary time, but of prophetic time, which should precede the advent of our Lord. That is, the people will not have another message upon definite time. After this period of time, reaching from 1842 to 1844, there can be no definite tracing of the prophetic time.
Quote:
The longest reckoning reaches to the autumn of 1844
. The angel's position with one foot on the sea, the other on the land signifies the wide extent of the proclamation of the message. It will cross the broad waters and be proclaimed in other countries, even to all the world. The comprehension of truth, the glad reception of the message is represented in the eating of the little book. The truth in regard to the time of the advent of our Lord was a precious message to our souls. Ms 59, 1900, pp. 8, 9. ("Jots and Tittles, II," August 16, 1900.)

White Estate Washington, D. C. May 4, 1950 {1MR 100.1}


How do we know who is reading EGW correctly?

If Sister White meant that there would be no time prophecy after 1844, she would never cite a time prophecy after 1844.

She said that the 42 months prophecy was fulfilled before 1844.

Quote:
'Power was given unto him to continue forty and two months.’ And, says the prophet, ‘I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death.’ And again, ‘He that leadeth into captivity shall go into captivity; he that killeth with the sword must be killed with the sword.’ The forty and two months are the same as the ‘time and times and the dividing of time,’ three years and a half, or 1260 days, of Daniel 7,—the time during which the papal power was to oppress God’s people. This period… began with the establishment of the papacy, A. D. 538, and terminated in 1798. At that time, when the papacy was abolished and the pope made captive by the French army, the papal power received its deadly wound, and the prediction was fulfilled, ‘He that leadeth into captivity shall go into captivity.’GC88 439.2


Then she placed the 42 months in the future AFTER 1844.

Quote:
In the last days Satan will appear as an angel of light, with great power and heavenly glory, and claim to be the Lord of the whole earth. He will declare that the Sabbath has been changed from the seventh to the first day of the week; and as lord of the first day of the week he will present this spurious sabbath as a test of loyalty to him. Then will take place the final fulfillment of the Revelator's prophecy. [Revelation 13:4-18, quoted.] {19MR 282.1}


To be sure that 19MR 282.1 stated that the 42 months would be repeated after 1844, I asked the keepers of White’s writings:
Quote:
The reference you asked about is correct. When you see an item like this in the Manuscript Releases, enclosed in square brackets, it means that in Ellen White’s material, she quoted the named passage, but for economy of space, we will not quote it here, but merely give the reference so that the reader can look it up and read it, if desired. So it does indeed refer to these verses in Revelation 13, and this is the prophecy that she mentioned just before the reference. …I confirmed it by going to the manuscript, where the verses were written out. William Fagal, Associate Director, Ellen G. White Estate, 12501 Old Columbia Pike, Silver Spring, MD 20904-6600 U.S.A.


Since Ellen White wrote that she did not present any definite time after 1844 and that the 42 months time prophecy was fulfilled from 538-1798 before 1844 and she quoted the 42 months time prophecy as having a final fulfillment after 1844, she could not be saying that there is no time prophecy after 1844. She is saying that there is no prophecy declaring the definite time of Christ's Coming after 1844.

But some Adventists twist the Spirit of prophecy to explain away this repetition of the 42 months prophecy after 1844 to keep their misreading intact. But EGW also wrote

Quote:
[Revelation 13:4-10 quoted.] This entire chapter is a revelation of what will surely take place. [Revelation 13:11, 15-17 quoted.]


Again after 1844, she specifically wrote out by hand that Revelation 13:4-10 would take place in the future. In both instances she wrote out Revelation 13:5 that she had placed before 1844 and again in the future.

Quote:
And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months.Revelation 13:5


Quote:
The Word of God teaches that these scenes are to be repeated as papists and Protestants shall unite for the exaltation of the Sunday. {GC88 578.2}
The prophecy of Revelation 13 declares ...{GC88 578.3


EGW did not say what tradition states that she said. And as long as tradition is allowed to over rule the Bible and the Spirit of Prophecy writings those who are under its shadow will not rightly understand last day events.


emphasis mine


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