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Re: Study Notes On Evolution
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Clipped phrases and paste??? how does that answer the questions? Or did your computer give you problems? Why is there chaos in the universe? Why have planets exploded, why have suns gone out, why are things crashing into each other in the universe? -- Do you believe God created that chaos? I think it is because sinful, fallen, yet powerful angels, went to war against God. God did not create that chaos. How do you explain it, Kland? You seem so against the thought that God could restore damage Satan inflicted on this earth, (and, when the time is right, restore the damage they inflicted on the rest of the universe) yet you would rather have God create a universe that runs on a natural ruin and restore cycles??? That is the only answer you've given me to the actual question raised --And yes, you said as much when you compared it to the death and renewal of cells. By comparing it to the death and renewal of cells, means a ruin and restore natural cycle. Sin ruins, and God does restore, how thankful we can be that He does restore! His restoration is a blessing for sure! However, I do not believe that was the design as to how His original creation was to operate. He did not design it to run on dying and restoring cycles. Something happened to bring the "ruin" and chaos into the universe -- a great rebellion and war by fallen angels.
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Re: Study Notes On Evolution
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He did not design it to run on dying and restoring cycles. Something happened to bring the "ruin" and chaos into the universe Huh - - I wonder where the "information" of how cells operation is located and how it was ruined?
Oh, that men might open their minds to know God as he is revealed in his Son! {ST, January 20, 1890}
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Re: Study Notes On Evolution
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As we age we realize more and more that we are slowly dying, our cells don't regenerate that well anymore. I agree that sin brings death, that was never in question. It is painfully obvious in this old world.
When Adam and Eve sinned -- the death process began -- Dying you shall die, and so it has been ever since.
It would not be so if we weren't born with sinful flesh.
But we can look forward to restoration! When this corruptible shall put on incorruption.
1 Cor.15:49 And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly. 15:50 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption. 15:51 Behold, I show you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, 15:52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. 15:53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal [must] put on immortality. 15:54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory. 15:55 O death, where [is] thy sting? O grave, where [is] thy victory?
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Re: Study Notes On Evolution
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As we age we realize more and more that we are slowly dying, our cells don't regenerate that well anymore.
Regenerate. Hmmmm....
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Re: Study Notes On Evolution
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Yes, in this sinful world, cells die, new ones replace most of them but aging takes it's toll till death wins.
In this sinful world, every day people are dying, and every day new people are being born.
In this sinful world, every fall, in lands distant from the equator, plants die, leaves fall, death takes over much of the vegetation, but in spring new plants and new leaves emerge.
If it weren't for God's power of restoration, sin and death would have won long ago.
Now the issue is this -- People look at those cycles of death and life and think that's the way it should be.
Evolutionists build their theories upon it -- those who include God in their evolutionary thought processes, think God used endless cycles of death and life to bring forth the creation we see today.
It is they that think the universe begins in chaos -- a "big bang" in which God flings out the energy and a chaos of matter start spinning around in the universe. There is a lot of explosions, stars are born and die, there is a lot of crashing into each other as the pieces evolve into some measure of gravitational order we see in the universe today. It's called the chaos hypothesis.
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We can believe the Bible and "Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God," Heb. 11:3 We can believe that the universe emerged from God as an orderly place, each planet in its orbit, each solar system in its place within its galaxy, etc. everything in perfect harmony. This is God's creation is good, never chaos.
In the chaos theory, things are supposedly progressing, the dying and birthing cycles are no problem, for they see it as the creative vehicle to "get rid of the old defective forms" and come up with better forms.
Whereas, they that believe God's creation is good, never chaos, have a need to understand why there is chaos in the universe.
We know why there is chaos here on earth -- its because sin is far more active in this world, then righteousness. But why is there chaos in the universe?
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Re: Study Notes On Evolution
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If it weren't for God's power of restoration, sin and death would have won long ago. Yep. Genesis 3:15. And what happens with God allows sin to play out? Death. Execution? Nope. It is a solemn truth, sin causes death. And where is the information about how sin causes death in not just humans, but all life stored?
Oh, that men might open their minds to know God as he is revealed in his Son! {ST, January 20, 1890}
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Re: Study Notes On Evolution
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09/03/17 12:15 AM
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Now the issue is this -- People look at those cycles of death and life and think that's the way it should be.
Evolutionists build their theories upon it -- those who include God in their evolutionary thought processes, think God used endless cycles of death and life to bring forth the creation we see today.
It is they that think the universe begins in chaos -- a "big bang" in which God flings out the energy and a chaos of matter start spinning around in the universe. There is a lot of explosions, stars are born and die, there is a lot of crashing into each other as the pieces evolve into some measure of gravitational order we see in the universe today. It's called the chaos hypothesis.
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We can believe the Bible and "Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God," Heb. 11:3 We can believe that the universe emerged from God as an orderly place, each planet in its orbit, each solar system in its place within its galaxy, etc. everything in perfect harmony. This is God's creation is good, never chaos. Now take a journey just in our solar system. We see Mars -- a riddle, what happened there? National Geographic reports March 2013 Evidence of a megaflood on Mars—a surprisingly recent one that cut a 600-mile (966-kilometer) river channel into the planet—has been detected by radar from an orbiting satellite.
Scientists have known for some time about the existence of the Marte Vallis channel system. But the new radar research has doubled the estimated depth of the massive flow and identified the headwaters and floodplain of the river. Both had been covered by lava from a volcanic eruption no more....
The megaflood and volcano are considered especially significant because they occurred so recently, in geological terms, suggesting that Mars may well remain a geologically active planet today....
"What we've found is that the source of this megaflood was water deep underground that was delivered to the surface through tectonic fractures," said Gareth Morgan of the Smithsonian Institution's Air and Space Museum, one of several authors of the article appearing today in the journal Science.
The new finding is part of a recent revolution in water discoveries on Mars. Not only have researchers identified deep river channels, but they've discovered gullies of liquid water that are still forming and streams of salty water that appear to flow down some crater walls during the Martian summer.
Floods and volcanoes Neither speak of a "perfect" world hospitable to life, though the elements seem to have been there for Mars to have once been a planet hospitable for life. Scientists looking for first signs of evolutionary life, are looking in vain. Life did not appear in evolutionary stages, if there ever was life on Mars it would be found in what they call "advanced" forms. However, I don't think God created life in this solar system prior to the six days. But He didn't create the chaos and ruin seen in the solar system now, either. He created perfect planets ready for life. Interesting -- "Universe Today" Reports June 7, 2017 Mars Had Way More Water on its Surface Than We Thought...Now a new study suggests that Mars had much more water than previously thought... Also what happened to the planet next to Mars? It is now known as the Asteroid Belt. Though at present if you put all the pieces together it would be a very small planet. But it obviously seems to be the remains of some catastrophic explosion. Some asteroids contain am abundances of precious metals such as nickel, iron, and titanium (to name a few), and even water. Some scientists even dream of making asteroids a target for mining operations. Yet some of the small asteroids escape the belt and go of crashing through space and can be quite a menace. So what happened there? Why are all these pieces of rock floating around, yet they contain things people regard as essentials of life. Someday we will know. But for now we can ask questions == and wonder if it had something to do with the war when satan and a huge number of angels were sent out of heaven. Seems much more plausible than thinking God created the chaos.
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Re: Study Notes On Evolution
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Dedication, are you saying the cellular processes of a cell is a result of sin?
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Re: Study Notes On Evolution
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09/13/17 05:30 AM
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Our bodies are marvelously designed by God to withstand the ravages of sin in an awesome, yet, because of the sin factor, still a short lived way.
The power to generate new life in our cells comes from God. All life power comes from God. Yet, the dying is a result of sin.
But these bodies of flesh and blood, that are dying even as they live, will not inherit heaven, we will receive new bodies.
1 Cor. 15:50 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption. 15:51 Behold, I show you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, 15:52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. 15:53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal [must] put on immortality. 15:54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.
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Re: Study Notes On Evolution
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09/13/17 04:04 PM
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And thus you are saying, at the twinkling of an eye, our cellular processes will end?
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