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What is this "every wind of doctrine" in reference to in Ephesians 4:14???
Ephesians 4:14 ESV so that we may no longer be children, tossed to and fro by the waves and carried about by every wind of doctrine, by human cunning, by craftiness in deceitful schemes.
What would the "every wind of doctrine" consist of?
In other words, do we find this happening even within our ranks, both here at Maritime, and in our churches???
In His Love, Mercy & Grace,
Daryl
John 8:32 And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.
How much time do you have??? Just for starters, Nadi vs. dedication (and apparently everyone else) regarding the false and completely unsupportable "wind of doctrine" called the Investigative Judgement.
How many do you want? Every time two people disagree on doctrinal issues each thinks the other has a "wind of doctrine."
The REAL question is "Who has authority to interpret Scripture?" In other words: WHO says THIS is true, and THIS is false.?
Last edited by JAK; 04/29/1811:10 PM.
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Re: Every Wind of Doctrine?
[Re: Daryl]
#186551 04/30/1807:47 PM04/30/1807:47 PM
What is this "every wind of doctrine" in reference to in Ephesians 4:14???
Ephesians 4:14 ESV so that we may no longer be children, tossed to and fro by the waves and carried about by every wind of doctrine, by human cunning, by craftiness in deceitful schemes.
What would the "every wind of doctrine" consist of?
In other words, do we find this happening even within our ranks, both here at Maritime, and in our churches???
This is a widespread problem, including at Maritime. If everyone posts whatever they wish, and there is no normative reference, then the discussion is ultimately meaningless.
The Bible and Spirit of Prophecy both talk about this sort of thing a lot. Here's a prominent SOP quote on the subject:
Quote:
The days are fast approaching when there will be great perplexity and confusion. Satan, clothed in angel robes, will deceive, if possible, the very elect. There will be gods many and lords many. Every wind of doctrine will be blowing. Those who have rendered supreme homage to "science falsely so called" will not be the leaders then. Those who have trusted to intellect, genius, or talent will not then stand at the head of rank and file. They did not keep pace with the light. Those who have proved themselves unfaithful will not then be entrusted with the flock. In the last solemn work few great men will be engaged. They are self-sufficient, independent of God, and He cannot use them. The Lord has faithful servants, who in the shaking, testing time will be disclosed to view. There are precious ones now hidden who have not bowed the knee to Baal. They have not had the light which has been shining in a concentrated blaze upon you. But it may be under a rough and uninviting exterior the pure brightness of a genuine Christian character will be revealed. In the day time we look toward heaven but do not see the stars. They are there, fixed in the firmament, but the eye cannot distinguish them. In the night we behold their genuine luster. {5T 80.1}
Re: Every Wind of Doctrine?
[Re: glenm]
#186553 04/30/1811:32 PM04/30/1811:32 PM
If everyone posts whatever they wish, and there is no normative reference, then the discussion is ultimately meaningless.
Sooo...What shall we use as a "normative reference" and who gets to decide that?
Extremely interesting question.
The quick answer of course is, the Bible. A prayerful, Spirit led, earnest study of the God's Word! It is the Word of Truth!
BUT does it really answer the question as every "wind of doctrine" tends to claim it's from the Bible?
Prophetic history and revelation does tell us what the popular answer will be in the future.
THE HISTORY AND PROPHECIED SOLUTION
For over 1000 years the Roman Catholic church, with the papacy at the head, claimed the role of being the normative reference and definer of Christian doctrine in all parts of the world where Christianity was the religion of the people.
Then 500 years ago Martin Luther cast off the authority of the Pope, and no longer acknowledged him as head of the Christian Church. Protestantism arose, protesting against the authority of their former head, and also against the doctrines and traditions of that Roman Catholic Church, declaring they would stand on SOLA SCRIPTURE. People were freed to worship God as they found truth in scripture.
BUT CONFUSION resulted, and many believe some confusion was intentionally generated to destroy the truths the protestants had found.
Christianity fragmented in many division, so now there's the plan to implement the "solution" which has been in progress for some years already. The unifying of the churches with ultimately the papacy being restored to his supposedly "rightful place" at the head of the church.
As one pope, Boniface VIII, wrote in his "Unam Sanctam " (and which is held up as an answer to the question you asked on websites)
Quote:
Therefore of this one and only Church there is one body and one head— not two heads as if it were a monster: namely Christ and Peter, the Vicar of Christ and the successor of Peter , the Lord Himself saying to Peter: “Feed my sheep.” My sheep, He said, using a general term, and not designating these or those particular sheep; from which it is plain that He committed to him all His sheep. If then the Greeks or others say that they were not committed to the care of Peter and his successors, they necessarily confess that they are not of the sheep of Christ; for the Lord says in John, that there “is one fold, and one Shepherd.” And we are told by the word of the Gospel that in this His fold there are two swords — a spiritual, namely, and a temporal. For when the Apostles said, “Behold here are two swords” — the Lord did not reply that this was too much, but enough. Surely he who denies that the temporal sword is in the power of Peter wrongly interprets the word of the Lord when He says, “Put up thy sword in its scabbard.” Both swords, the spiritual and the material, therefore, are in the power of the Church ; the one, indeed, to be wielded for the Church, the other by the Church; the one by the hand of the priest, the other by the hand of kings
The goal is to restore the papacy as the "head" and definer of truth. Do I agree with that "solution"? NO! NO! It will be the end of religious freedom, and then we will see what REAL persecution means.
The real answer as to where we find truth, is still THE BIBLE.
Yet, notice in the paragraph above the misuse of a simple Bible reference, when the disciples had two swords with them in the garden of Gethsemane. Yes, Peter used a sword that night, but it was NOT a good thing, yet the popes uses this story to claim the Lord gave them the right to use force (swords) to keep society "Christian" according to their definition.
The Bible is the real "sword" of the spirit. The truth is in scripture. But it must be sought with a prayerful, Spirit led, earnest study of God's Word!
A church is a group of believers who have come to the same conclusion from their Bible study as to what is true doctrine. A church will usually list the beliefs that are central to their church and why they believe them, and yes it does become a "normative reference".
Re: Every Wind of Doctrine?
[Re: dedication]
#186561 05/02/1806:09 PM05/02/1806:09 PM
And everyone has to answer to God, whether they have sought truth with hearts open to His guiding, earnestly studying God's Word seeking the guidance of the Holy Spirit, Who is promised to lead us to truth, or whether we simply followed the more popular generic versions that are put forth to bring ecumenical unity.
Re: Every Wind of Doctrine?
[Re: Daryl]
#186590 05/05/1810:09 PM05/05/1810:09 PM
Here is an interesting video message, about an hour in length, at Spring Council in April of this year by Mark Finley that we watched and listened to attentively in church this morning regarding "every wind of doctrine" that I challenge everybody to view:
In His Love, Mercy & Grace,
Daryl
John 8:32 And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.
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