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Re: Isaiah 45:7 [Re: APL] #189449
05/21/19 12:54 AM
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Originally Posted By: jim
But APL is suffering from Hemianopsia
1 John 1:5 This then is the message which we have heard of him, and declare to you, that God is light, and in him is no darkness at all.


Oh, that men might open their minds to know God as he is revealed in his Son! {ST, January 20, 1890}
Re: Isaiah 45:7 [Re: APL] #189450
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Originally Posted By: APL
Originally Posted By: jim
But APL is suffering from Hemianopsia
1 John 1:5 This then is the message which we have heard of him, and declare to you, that God is light, and in him is no darkness at all.

Because there is no darkness in God, it does not follow that He did not create it. Must God have, in Himself, every element He creates?

Blessings,

Green Cochoa.


We can receive of heaven's light only as we are willing to be emptied of self. We can discern the character of God, and accept Christ by faith, only as we consent to the bringing into captivity of every thought to the obedience of Christ. And to all who do this, the Holy Spirit is given without measure. In Christ "dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily. And ye are complete in Him." [Colossians 2:9, 10.] {GW 57.1} -- Ellen White.
Re: Isaiah 45:7 [Re: APL] #189452
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Originally Posted By: APL
Originally Posted By: jim
But APL is suffering from Hemianopsia
1 John 1:5 This then is the message which we have heard of him, and declare to you, that God is light, and in him is no darkness at all.

You can quote a million different passages, but hear the eyewitness testimony of Moses when God spoke to Israel:

"Then you came near and stood at the foot of the mountain, and the mountain burned with fire to the midst of heaven, with darkness, cloud, and thick darkness. And the Lord spoke to you out of the midst of the fire. You heard the sound of the words, but saw no form; you only heard a voice." -- Deut. 4:11-12

Perhaps for which reason, the Psalmist declared:

"The Lord reigns;
Let the earth rejoice;
Let the multitude of isles be glad!

Clouds and darkness surround Him;
Righteousness and justice are the foundation of His throne.
A fire goes before Him,
And burns up His enemies round about."


Psalm 97:1-3

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Re: Isaiah 45:7 [Re: APL] #189453
05/21/19 08:57 AM
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John 14:9 Jesus said to him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet have you not known me, Philip? he that has seen me has seen the Father; and how say you then, Show us the Father?

Hebrews 1:1-3 God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spoke in time past to the fathers by the prophets, (2) Has in these last days spoken to us by his Son, whom he has appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds; (3) Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high:

Mark 9:7 And there was a cloud that overshadowed them: and a voice came out of the cloud, saying, This is my beloved Son: hear him.

Luke 9:35 And there came a voice out of the cloud, saying, This is my beloved Son: hear him.

John 17:1-7 These words spoke Jesus, and lifted up his eyes to heaven, and said, Father, the hour is come; glorify your Son, that your Son also may glorify you: (2) As you have given him power over all flesh, that he should give eternal life to as many as you have given him. (3) And this is life eternal, that they might know you the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent. (4) I have glorified you on the earth: I have finished the work which you gave me to do. (5) And now, O Father, glorify you me with your own self with the glory which I had with you before the world was. (6) I have manifested your name to the men which you gave me out of the world: your they were, and you gave them me; and they have kept your word. (7) Now they have known that all things whatever you have given me are of you.

Jesus is gives us the view of the real Character of God on which to interpret the OT.

John 17:17 Sanctify them through your truth: your word is truth.


Oh, that men might open their minds to know God as he is revealed in his Son! {ST, January 20, 1890}
Re: Isaiah 45:7 [Re: APL] #189454
05/21/19 09:50 AM
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Originally Posted By: APL
John 14:9 Jesus said to him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet have you not known me, Philip? he that has seen me has seen the Father; and how say you then, Show us the Father?

Hebrews 1:1-3 God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spoke in time past to the fathers by the prophets, (2) Has in these last days spoken to us by his Son, whom he has appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds; (3) Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high:

Mark 9:7 And there was a cloud that overshadowed them: and a voice came out of the cloud, saying, This is my beloved Son: hear him.

Luke 9:35 And there came a voice out of the cloud, saying, This is my beloved Son: hear him.

John 17:1-7 These words spoke Jesus, and lifted up his eyes to heaven, and said, Father, the hour is come; glorify your Son, that your Son also may glorify you: (2) As you have given him power over all flesh, that he should give eternal life to as many as you have given him. (3) And this is life eternal, that they might know you the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent. (4) I have glorified you on the earth: I have finished the work which you gave me to do. (5) And now, O Father, glorify you me with your own self with the glory which I had with you before the world was. (6) I have manifested your name to the men which you gave me out of the world: your they were, and you gave them me; and they have kept your word. (7) Now they have known that all things whatever you have given me are of you.

Jesus is gives us the view of the real Character of God on which to interpret the OT.

John 17:17 Sanctify them through your truth: your word is truth.


So, are you trying hard to say that Jesus was NOT the one who spoke the Ten Commandments, who covered Himself in THICK DARKNESS, who opened the earth so that it swallowed and destroyed those who rebelled against Moses?

  • Here, let me quote the word of God, spoken by Him for you (Num. 16):

    ***************

    "And the Lord spoke to Moses and Aaron, saying, 'Separate yourselves from among this congregation, that I may consume them in a moment.'
    .
    .
    And Moses said: 'By this you shall know that the Lord has sent me to do all these works, for I have not done them of my own will. If these men die naturally like all men, or if they are visited by the common fate of all men, then the Lord has not sent me. But if the Lord creates a new thing, and the earth opens its mouth and swallows them up with all that belongs to them, and they go down alive into the pit, then you will understand that these men have rejected the Lord.'

    Now it came to pass, as he finished speaking all these words, that the ground split apart under them, and the earth opened its mouth and swallowed them up, with their households and all the men with Korah, with all their goods. So they and all those with them went down alive into the pit; the earth closed over them, and they perished from among the assembly. Then all Israel who were around them fled at their cry, for they said, 'Lest the earth swallow us up also!'

    And a fire came out from the Lord and consumed the two hundred and fifty men who were offering incense."


    ***************

Is it not written that way? "I form the light and create darkness. I make peace and create calamity; I, the Lord, do all these things." Is. 45:7. But you are like a teenager who looks upon his beloved and rapturously declares, "She is a doll!" Tell me, is she human, a complete and whole individual with a range of emotions and capabilities OR is she a two-dimensional-cardboard-cutout that you save in your room?


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Re: Isaiah 45:7 [Re: APL] #189455
05/21/19 11:21 AM
05/21/19 11:21 AM
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Originally Posted By: jim
So, are you trying hard to say that Jesus was NOT the one who spoke the Ten Commandments
ON THE CONTRARY! Jesus is the Truth by which the OT is interpreted. But you are free to not believe His Testimony.


Oh, that men might open their minds to know God as he is revealed in his Son! {ST, January 20, 1890}
Re: Isaiah 45:7 [Re: APL] #189456
05/21/19 12:48 PM
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Originally Posted By: APL
Originally Posted By: jim
So, are you trying hard to say that Jesus was NOT the one who spoke the Ten Commandments
ON THE CONTRARY! Jesus is the Truth by which the OT is interpreted. But you are free to not believe His Testimony.

Why did you slice and dice the quote. This is it in its entirety: "So, are you trying hard to say that Jesus was NOT the one who spoke the Ten Commandments, who covered Himself in THICK DARKNESS, who opened the earth so that it swallowed and destroyed those who rebelled against Moses?"

There is no value in Hemianopsia, you know. God is NOT a two-dimensional-cardboard cutout that you can keep in your room. Besides Saviour, He is also Judge and Executioner; and demonstrates the breath of human emotions just like us (for we are His children) and, being over all things, holds the breath of man in His hands so that we live or die according to His will.

See Is. 45:7, "I form the light and create darkness. I make peace and create calamity. I, the Lord, do all these things."

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Re: Isaiah 45:7 [Re: Green Cochoa] #189463
05/21/19 04:12 PM
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Originally Posted By: Green Cochoa
APL,

I'm a little concerned for you. With the passing of time, you seem less and less able to follow a conversation. Please take care of your health. I hope you get enough vitamin B12.


Objection!

Yet, and yet, and yet again, you have failed to show you are getting enough vitamin B12 yourself! Strong indication is you are not.

Re: Isaiah 45:7 [Re: APL] #189465
05/21/19 05:17 PM
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Originally Posted By: jim
So, are you trying hard to say that Jesus was NOT the one who spoke the Ten Commandments
And there are those who want to interpret the 10C by their own desires weakening the 6th for example. And thinking of judgment as destruction. Who ignore the testimony of Jesus about what God is really like. Mark 1:15 "The time has come," he said. "The kingdom of God is near. Repent [change your mind] and believe the good news!"


Hebrews 13:8 Jesus Christ is the same yesterday and today and forever.

Luke 6:37 "Do not judge, and you will not be judged. Do not condemn, and you will not be condemned. Forgive, and you will be forgiven.

Matthew 12:36-37 But I tell you that men will have to give account on the day of judgment for every careless word they have spoken. (37) For by your words you will be acquitted, and by your words you will be condemned."

Colossians 3:12 Therefore, as God’s chosen people, holy and dearly loved, clothe yourselves with compassion, kindness, humility, gentleness and patience.

Jeremiah 29:11 For I know the plans I have for you," declares the LORD, "plans to prosper you and not to harm you, plans to give you hope and a future.

Isaiah 55:8-9 "For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways," declares the LORD. (9) "As the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways and my thoughts than your thoughts.

James 1:19-21 My dear brothers, take note of this: Everyone should be quick to listen, slow to speak and slow to become angry, (20) for man’s anger does not bring about the righteous life that God desires. (21) Therefore, get rid of all moral filth and the evil that is so prevalent and humbly accept the word planted in you, which can save you.

Ezekiel 18:32 For I take no pleasure in the death of anyone, declares the Sovereign LORD. Repent and live!

Jeremiah 31:3 The LORD appeared to us in the past, saying: "I have loved you with an everlasting love; I have drawn you with loving-kindness.

Jeremiah 17:9-10 The heart is deceitful above all things and beyond cure. Who can understand it? (10) "I the LORD search the heart and examine the mind, to reward a man according to his conduct, according to what his deeds deserve."

Proverbs 23:26 My son, give me your heart and let your eyes keep to my ways,

Ezekiel 36:26 I will give you a new heart and put a new spirit in you; I will remove from you your heart of stone and give you a heart of flesh.

Isaiah 54:7-8 "For a brief moment I abandoned you, but with deep compassion I will bring you back. (8) In a surge of anger I hid my face from you for a moment, but with everlasting kindness I will have compassion on you," says the LORD your Redeemer.

Deuteronomy 31:17 On that day I will become angry with them and forsake them; I will hide my face from them, and they will be destroyed. Many disasters and difficulties will come upon them, and on that day they will ask, ’Have not these disasters come upon us because our God is not with us?’

Psalms 34:21 Evil will slay the wicked; the foes of the righteous will be condemned.


Oh, that men might open their minds to know God as he is revealed in his Son! {ST, January 20, 1890}
Re: Isaiah 45:7 [Re: APL] #189467
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Titus 3:2-5 to slander no one, to be peaceable and considerate, and to show true humility toward all men. (3) At one time we too were foolish, disobedient, deceived and enslaved by all kinds of passions and pleasures. We lived in malice and envy, being hated and hating one another. (4) But when the kindness and love of God our Savior appeared, (5) he saved us, not because of righteous things we had done, but because of his mercy. He saved us through the washing of rebirth and renewal by the Holy Spirit,

Zechariah 4:6 So he said to me, "This is the word of the LORD to Zerubbabel: ’Not by might nor by power, but by my Spirit,’ says the LORD Almighty.

Luke 6:36 Be merciful, just as your Father is merciful.

1 Chronicles 16:34 Give thanks to the LORD, for he is good; his love endures forever.

Psalms 100:5 For the LORD is good and his love endures forever; his faithfulness continues through all generations.

Isaiah 52:7 How beautiful on the mountains are the feet of those who bring good news, who proclaim peace, who bring good tidings, who proclaim salvation, who say to Zion, "Your God reigns!"

Romans 10:15 And how can they preach unless they are sent? As it is written, "How beautiful are the feet of those who bring good news!"

Isaiah 11:9 They will neither harm nor destroy on all my holy mountain, for the earth will be full of the knowledge of the LORD as the waters cover the sea.

John 10:25 Jesus answered, "I did tell you, but you do not believe. The miracles I do in my Father’s name speak for me,


Oh, that men might open their minds to know God as he is revealed in his Son! {ST, January 20, 1890}
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