The paper you reference does not speak of VEGANS. And speaking of cervical cancer, and cancer caused by a virus:

The risk for cancer of the cervix was significantly higher among vegetarians than among meat eaters, with a similar (non-significantly) high risk among the fish eaters. The principal cause of cervical cancer is human papillomavirus. Dietary factors have been suspected of influencing risk, but no firm conclusions have been drawn (Garc?a-Closas et al, 2005). The increased risks observed in non-meat eaters were based on only 50 cases overall and might be due to non-dietary factors, such as differences in attendance for cervical cancer screening, or to chance.

50 cases, and this is not even speaking of VEGANS.

The conclusion of the paper:

In conclusion, this study suggests that the incidence of all malignant neoplasms combined may be lower among both fish eaters and vegetarians than among meat eaters. The most striking finding was the relatively low risk for cancers of the lymphatic and haematopoietic tissues among vegetarians.

I realize it does not speak of vegans. I didn't claim it did. Its conclusions, however, would tend to corroborate a finding of higher incidence of cervical cancer for vegans as compared with meat eaters. Any vegans in this study would have been lumped into the "vegetarian" group, and there were likely some in that group.

Since you read the study so well, you must have noticed that the lead author disclosed his conflict of interest as being a member of the Vegetarian Society. This is why he downplays the connection that the study found.

Blessings,

Green Cochoa.

So Green,
Why did present it?

Here is a site to check out...https://www.vegansociety.com/resources/nutrition-and-health/nutrients/vitamin-b12/what-every-vegan-should-know-about-vitamin-b12

Rick,

Thank you for that contribution. I went there and read the entire page. Much of what they have is well said and bears repeating. A few things, however, they appear to portray inaccurately. The most egregious of these comes in their final conclusions, where they have said that vegans on a fortified-food diet will have much less chance of deficiency than meat-eaters. I would question that outright, and wonder where they have any researched studies to back it up. It seems to reveal a lack of understanding of how intrinsic factor works.

The second-most egregious inaccuracy comes in the fact the article says nothing about the form of the B12. There are multiple forms, and most of the fortified cereals and foods on the market contain the 99% ineffective cyanocobalamin. It is, in fact, because of the extremely low absorption rates for this form of the vitamin that one must have much, much higher doses of it. A single microgram of cyanocobalamin three times a day is unlikely to meet one's requirements, despite the article suggesting this. Even if two or three thousand times this is injected hypodermically or intramuscularly, bypassing the need of intrinsic factor in the gut, studies have shown that over 90% of it is passed out of the body through the urine within the first 24 hours.

Vegans need to know which supplement to get. Forget about cyanocobalamin. It's cheap and plentiful, but worthless. Hydroxocobalamin is slightly better. Methylcobalamin is much better. It is one of the two co-enzyme forms required by the body. The other of the two actual co-enzyme forms used in the body is adenosylcobalamin. Apparently, each of these serves a different function in the body, and both may be needed in varying amounts. Before it could be of any use to the body, the other B12 forms, like cyanocobalamin, must be converted to methyl- or adenosyl-cobalamin. (The cyanide leftover after this conversion should have negligible effect considering the minute amounts involved--the issue is more that of how efficient the body is at making the conversion in the first place.)

The following was a good reminder, however.



On many points, the article is very helpful on getting people started in understanding about vitamin B12. Some symptoms of deficiency that the article did not mention that could be included in the list are: decreased pain tolerance, back pain, hearing loss, loss of balance/equilibrium (vertigo), depression, and malaise.

A very good website with more information about the importance of B-12, including how it is involved in the metabolic processes in the body to prevent early aging, is here: https://www.globalhealingcenter.com/natural-health/adenosylcobalamin-4-facts-know/

Blessings,

Green Cochoa.

For a more balances view, see:
https://www.theveganrd.com/vegan-nu...ers/vitamin-b12-a-vegan-nutrition-primer

Lots of good references from reputable journals.

 

• Veganism is a far eastern Hindu dietary philosophy and is usually practiced along with yoga among its strongest adherents and evangelists.
   
• But when God brought Israel unto Himself into the Promised Land, He told them to EAT MEAT EVERY DAY!
   
• The disciples were NOT vegetarians.
   
• And most damnably for those who preach on the rooftops that one ought to be, JESUS CHRIST WAS NOT A VEGETARIAN.
   
• Perhaps the reason why vegans don't see that is because they have been hit hard with cognitive impairment; which only proves all the more and conclusively that one needs the proper vitamins from natural sources and not from popping pills.

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Whcih actually has proves nothing.....

Can you give us a reference for this one?

 
A. It's a consequence of the command to the priests in daily service:

Lev. 7:5-7: "It is a trespass offering. Every male among the priests may eat it. It shall be eaten in a holy place. It is most holy. The trespass offering is like the sin offering; there is one law for them both: the priest who makes atonement with it shall have it." Read the entire chapters 6 and 7 for the more detailed prescription.

B. And these two (Deuteronomy 12):

v. 15-16: "However, you may slaughter and eat meat within all your gates, whatever your heart desires, according to the blessing of the Lord your God which He has given you; the unclean and the clean may eat of it, of the gazelle and the deer alike. Only you shall not eat the blood ...

v. 20-21: "When the Lord your God enlarges your border as He has promised you, and you say, Let me eat meat, because you long to eat meat, you may eat as much meat as your heart desires. If the place where the Lord your God chooses to put His name is too far from you, then you may slaughter from your herd and from your flock which the Lord has given you, just as I have commanded you, and you may eat within your gates as much as your heart desires."

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