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Re: Should Churches Close Because Of Pandemic? [Re: kland] #192214
04/04/20 01:34 PM
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Originally Posted by kland
Yes, hype rules the day.
Nothing more than the common cold:
https://www.webmd.com/cold-and-flu/cold-guide/common_cold_causes


WOW TO SAY THIS COVID19 is NOTHING MORE THAN THE COMMON COLD:

my response is a simple expression from my Chinese cultural upbringing: "aye ya"

watch the following Youtube video as it simply explains the DIFFERENCE between "COVID-19" and "the flu"


Re: Should Churches Close Because Of Pandemic? [Re: ProdigalOne] #192224
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D R,

Show us the numbers.
Show us how many die from the flu each year and compare that to how many have died from this year's flu.

You might also show the numbers of people who have died from pneumonia each year and compare that to this year.

Just show us the numbers.

Re: Should Churches Close Because Of Pandemic? [Re: ProdigalOne] #192225
04/05/20 05:14 PM
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Originally Posted by ProdigalOne
The extent of the Coronavirus is being exaggerated! Watch this short, eye opening, video! More and more stories like this are beginning to emerge from around the globe. https://youtu.be/5pIMD1enwd4

Or completely made up! Saw a video about bill gates saying they tried this with zika and sars. Meaning preparedness, but....? Especially since sars couldn't even be defined/distinguished.

Re: Should Churches Close Because Of Pandemic? [Re: ProdigalOne] #192229
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We must be deceived by the thousands of medical workers, that are working with fake COVID 19 patients...

Youtube has videos that prove Area 51 and Aliens are real!
Youtube has videos that prove Reptilians rule the world.
Youtube has videos that prove Global warming is real.
Youtube has videos that prove Global warming is fake.
Youtube has videos that prove School shootings are fake.

YES I trust Youtube LOL

Cheers to you all and good luck with your health whether you believe we are in danger of COVID19 or not.

Re: Should Churches Close Because Of Pandemic? [Re: kland] #192230
04/06/20 02:36 AM
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Originally Posted by kland
Originally Posted by ProdigalOne
The extent of the Coronavirus is being exaggerated! Watch this short, eye opening, video! More and more stories like this are beginning to emerge from around the globe. https://youtu.be/5pIMD1enwd4

Or completely made up! Saw a video about bill gates saying they tried this with zika and sars. Meaning preparedness, but....? Especially since sars couldn't even be defined/distinguished.




It is hard to know just what to believe.

It is a pandemic that we know about ONLY via the news.

I talked to two different people working in two different hospitals.
Asked them what things were like.
The first worked in a relatively small hospital in a town. She said hardly NO ONE came to the hospital, it was almost empty, even of regular patients. People were afraid to come for fear of contacting the virus. The only sign of the pandemic was an increased cleaning and disinfecting mandate on everything being touched.

Well, I thought maybe that was because the virus hasn't come to this town yet, though there was a report of one person "self isolating" in town who supposedly tested positive for it.

The next person (who specializes in respiratory care) works in a BIG hospital in a big city. The city has declared a "state of emergency" and reported about 500 cases. She said they had about three patients in the hospital that they "thought" might have the virus. The staff spent a lot of time putting on all their protective coverings when caring for the patients but there were no deaths or critical cases, attributed to it. She excused the lack of activity saying that they just hadn't been hit as hard in this city as people in a city of about equal size further south that had received considerable media coverage in which it sounded like they were being almost overwhelmed.

Also -- I don't personally know ANYONE, anywhere, who has contacted the disease.
There were people who did get sick in the last couple months and THOUGHT (or feared) they might have the virus, but two, three days later they were fine.

Yet everyone is fearful, following all sorts of precautions and isolation rules. Well, they say, that's why we aren't seeing any outbreaks -- but people aren't totally staying home, they still shop and some still work.
All non-emergency services in hospitals are suspended so staff can look after the coronavirus patients, that don't seem to be there.

How much to believe??? One thing is certain, it is being exaggerated and whipped up to "worst heights" to keep everyone panicky and scared of each other and ready to give up their jobs, and social life "for the supposed good of all".
Though I won't go so far as to say the disease isn't real -- every year the flu and pneumonia sickens thousands and kills some of it's victims -- with this years version being a stronger strain so the numbers are a little higher.


Re: Should Churches Close Because Of Pandemic? [Re: ProdigalOne] #192233
04/06/20 11:44 AM
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I find when you ask people multiple times to support their stance with facts and they find it unreasonable to state any facts, it's pointless to keep asking them page after page. They just won't do it. Must not be a math/science type of person. Best to ignore them.

I recall reading a science fiction book in highschool. It presented that the "problems" were always far off, so anyone local never knows what the truth is. Interesting that of the people working in the hospitals you know, not much happening.

Did you notice how Gates is getting older? Perhaps he pulled the trigger, that he'd like to see his fearful new world before he dies. This should be a wake up call to all who study their Bible. We know how fast it can happen. We know how much restriction they can put on us. I always thought about moving to another state or country if things got bad where I'm at. But everyone bought into this fraud. There's nowhere to run.

It seems cold and heartless to say just ignore it and go on with life and let people die who die. But we do that every year with the flu, heart disease, alcohol, etc. and no one thinks that is callus. Think of how much damage is being done to healthy people with this "live exercise". How many deaths by suicide, alcohol, heart disease due to this nonsense?

Re: Should Churches Close Because Of Pandemic? [Re: D R] #192236
04/07/20 12:27 AM
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Originally Posted by D R
We must be deceived by the thousands of medical workers, that are working with fake COVID 19 patients...

Youtube has videos that prove Area 51 and Aliens are real!
Youtube has videos that prove Reptilians rule the world.
Youtube has videos that prove Global warming is real.
Youtube has videos that prove Global warming is fake.
Youtube has videos that prove School shootings are fake.

YES I trust Youtube LOL

Cheers to you all and good luck with your health whether you believe we are in danger of COVID19 or not.

I suspect that you trust the CDC. Here is their table of influenza outcomes for the 2017-2018 flu season in the United States, a developed country. Note that these numbers are based on the traditional per-100,000 population that seems standard for statistics of this nature.


Table 2: Estimated rates of influenza-associated disease outcomes, per 100,000, by age group ? United States, 2017-2018 influenza season



  Illness rate Medical visit rate Hospitalization rate Mortality rate
Age group Estimate 95% Cr UI Estimate 95% Cr UI Estimate 95% Cr UI Estimate 95% Cr UI
0-4 yrs 18448.1 (12,856.5 ? 36,475.0) 12360.2 (8,501.3 -24,596.7) 128.6 (89.6 ? 254.3) 0.6 (0.0, 1.8)
5-17 yrs 13985.6 (10,983.6 ? 18,987.0) 7272.5 (5,589.3 -9,972.2) 38.3 (30.1 ? 52.1) 1 (0.4, 2.6)
18-49 yrs 10469.7 ( 8,895.6 ? 14,075.1) 3873.8 (3,092.9 ? 5,321.7) 58.8 (49.9 ? 79.0) 2 (1.2, 5.0)
50-64 yrs 20881.1 (14,828.2 ? 36,378.8) 8978.9 (6,145.3 -15,818.0) 221.4 (157.2 ? 385.8) 10.6 (6.7, 25.0)
65+ yrs 11690.6 ( 7,682.1 -23,175.5) 6546.7 (4,207.2 -13,023.8) 1062.8 (698.4 ? 2,106.9) 100.1 (70.8, 163.7)
TOTALS:75475.1 39032.1 1509.9 114.3 
 75.48% 39.03% 1.51% 0.114% 

(I added the totals--the final two rows--of the table, the rest is straight copy/paste from the CDC.) You may see this for yourself at this link: https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden/2017-2018.htm


Now, estimating that the United States had a population of around 327 million as of 2018, and projecting these numbers to that entire population, it would result in a mortality of 373,761 souls in total.


We can look at these numbers multiple ways: 1) The news reports were highly inaccurate and underestimated the flu "pandemic" for that period; 2) that many people really did die; 3) the mortality estimates are way overblown; or 4) someone (me?) made a mistake in the math somewhere.


Feel free to verify the math for yourself so as to avoid the #4 error. After that, tell me if the CDC was overestimating, or the news underestimating--if you think you can know which way this should go.


Suppose you determine that the CDC overestimated. Remember that the estimates put forward now say between 100,000 and 400,000 Americans might die of the coronavirus. Now we have two more important considerations:


1) Why is the CDC and/or WHO underestimating the effect of the supposedly far more lethal coronavirus?


2) If the CDC and/or WHO are not underestimating the coronavirus, why has it gotten far more than its fair share of attention?


These are just pure mathematical facts. They are enough to make a doubter of any true follower of the CDC.


Blessings,


Green Cochoa.



We can receive of heaven's light only as we are willing to be emptied of self. We can discern the character of God, and accept Christ by faith, only as we consent to the bringing into captivity of every thought to the obedience of Christ. And to all who do this, the Holy Spirit is given without measure. In Christ "dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily. And ye are complete in Him." [Colossians 2:9, 10.] {GW 57.1} -- Ellen White.
Re: Should Churches Close Because Of Pandemic? [Re: ProdigalOne] #192248
04/08/20 01:43 PM
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Green, the table above that one, table1, and text estimates 61,099 people died. Do you think the two tables and written explanation contradict each other?
Or do you think maybe either the table2's "mortality rate" is something different than you think or that the table or column means something else? I don't know. But I would think the tables should agree. Maybe you could analyze differences between them.

Re: Should Churches Close Because Of Pandemic? [Re: ProdigalOne] #192249
04/08/20 05:24 PM
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A doctor emphatically talks about the fake news of today.
I don't know if you can access this -- may not even be up for very long.
https://facebook.com/drericnepute/videos/212203320055065/?t=799

Re: Should Churches Close Because Of Pandemic? [Re: dedication] #192250
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Originally Posted by dedication
A doctor emphatically talks about the fake news of today.
I don't know if you can access this -- may not even be up for very long.
https://facebook.com/drericnepute/videos/212203320055065/?t=799

Interesting!

Is this also on You Tube???


In His Love, Mercy & Grace,

Daryl smile

John 8:32 And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.

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