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Still think beef is "Bible clean" food? #38482
05/12/05 12:07 PM
05/12/05 12:07 PM
Ikan  Offline OP
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You’ll probably want to finish your lunch before reading this…unless it’s a hamburger.

The Washington Times reports that U.S. agriculture officials are investigating claims that cow brains, spines and “other risky materials that could carry mad cow disease” might be entering the human food supply “in violation of agency policy.”

And don’t even get started on what “agency policy” does allow. According to the Consumers Union, loopholes in the feed ban currently permit “cow’s blood, poultry litter and plate waste from restaurants” to be fed to cattle that ends up on our plates:

Calves taken from their mothers are fed milk replacers which often contain cow’s blood added as a cheap protein supplement. Poultry litter, which contains chicken feces, feathers, sawdust, and uneaten feed containing cow parts, and plate waste from restaurants such as leftover steaks are added to cattle feed as well.

Not lovin’ it? These practices are currently under public comment, and the chance of mad cow contamination is still quite slim. But it’s worth keeping the issue in mind, considering our Agriculture Secretary Mike Johanns likely won’t be reminding you. As governor, Johanns opposed the Department of Agriculture’s policy of informing the public when the nation’s beef supply may be contaminated, and asked the DOA to reconsider their policy of announcing when initial tests of cattle show they may be infected with mad cow. (Johanns’s position ran counter to the conclusions of the USDA inspector general, which found the agency isn’t doing enough to protect the public from mad cow contamination.) Check out NotInMyFood.org for more.

Re: Still think beef is "Bible clean" food? #38483
05/13/05 12:42 AM
05/13/05 12:42 AM
debbie  Offline
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A few days ago a friend said to me that her friend had just died of "Mad Cow Disease" which is the second one just in our little corner of the USA! Very sad. The press won't touch it either!! Bad press for the industry.

Thanks for posting this Phil--it was nasty to read about but very true. I once knew a man who was a meat butcher and he was vegetarian! [Smile] I asked him why, and he said you can't believe how many "growths" they cut off of an animal and most of the time they either leave it on and let it through for human consumption or they only take part of it off. Even if they took it ALL off, the cancer is throughout the system of the animal.

Then we wonder why we are getting cancer at such young ages!

Re: Still think beef is "Bible clean" food? #38484
05/13/05 11:05 AM
05/13/05 11:05 AM
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Dear Phil,

"Bereans were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so".

" Flesh was never the best food; but its use is now doubly objectionable, since disease in animals is rapidly increasing. Those who use flesh foods little know what they are eating. Often if they could see the animals when living, and know the quality of the meat they eat, they would turn from it with loathing. People are continually eating flesh that is filled with tuberculosis and cancerous germs. Tuberculosis, cancer, and other fatal diseases are thus communicated" {PHJ, September 1, 1905 par. 2}.

God bless
Neville Appolus

Re: Still think beef is "Bible clean" food? #38485
05/13/05 02:21 PM
05/13/05 02:21 PM
Ikan  Offline OP
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Good points, Neville.
I was in the restaurant business all my life, and before conversion to Christ and His Present Truth, I was a big beefeater.
(I prefer good peanut butter these days, like "Black Cat"!)

The sad part is those who try to justify their tastes misusing OT standards of kosher, when we have had new light like you quoted and even witnesses from the secular press that there is nothing "Bible clean" or kosher in the market today.

Re: Still think beef is "Bible clean" food? #38486
05/13/05 04:21 PM
05/13/05 04:21 PM
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I would think that anyone wishing to eat flesh food ought to raise it themselves so they can control what it eats. Of course there is the emotional attachment that might cause a beef cow to transform it's self into a pet [Smile]

Same with eggs, raise your own and you will know what you are getting. And it's harder to have a pet egg.

Redfog

Re: Still think beef is "Bible clean" food? #38487
05/13/05 11:46 PM
05/13/05 11:46 PM
Ikan  Offline OP
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Good points, Redfog.
I find that we humans desensitize ourselves when buying/cooking/eating meat by imagination. We see the piece as a "food unit" like a can of beans or a wedge of cheese. We don't see that it was once a life.
I think it would be educational for "clean" meat-eating SDAs to go down to their local slaughterhouse for a nice Sabbath-afternoon visit.
Or take a stroll in a vegetable garden.
Pet eggs...hmmm...now there's a concept!

Re: Still think beef is "Bible clean" food? #38488
05/14/05 01:16 AM
05/14/05 01:16 AM
Davros  Offline
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I guess there is still organic beef, but I'm not sure if there is a combination of organic kosher beef. If there is, it would be most expensive.

Re: Still think beef is "Bible clean" food? #38489
05/14/05 01:24 AM
05/14/05 01:24 AM
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I know here in Michigan you can buy beef and chicken that have been allowed to run in the open and are allowed to graze outside. The feed they are given is organically grown etc. Supposedly it is leaner and better for you though I really have no desire to try it.

My brother buys eggs that are suppose to be better for you and cost a small fortune. I think they are sold under the England brand.

Redfog

Re: Still think beef is "Bible clean" food? #38490
05/14/05 06:39 AM
05/14/05 06:39 AM
Ikan  Offline OP
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You bet it's expensive!
Sadly, most meat-eating SDAs wrongly assume that they are eating "Bible clean" meats when they are not.
I think Gentiles should understand what kosher actually is. It means much more than which animal one can eat.

Two things make meat non-kosher:
1) if it comes from a non-kosher animal (such as a horse or an ostrich), or
2) if it comes from a kosher animal, but was not slaughtered and/or prepared according to Jewish law.

Kosher animals must be slaughtered according to the rigid regulations of shechita (pronounced sheh-KHEE-taw), Hebrew for slaughtering. There are literally hundreds of laws governing shechitah, all of which combine to produce a painless dispatch for the animal to be slaughtered and the freshest, cleanest meat you'll ever eat. But primarily, shechitah involves the shochet (kosher butcher, pronounced SHOW-khet) drawing a meticulously sharpened, imperfection-free blade swiftly and smoothly back and forth across the animal's neck, instantly ending its life in a most humane manner. Of course, before the shochet even becomes a shochet, he must be thoroughly versed in the laws governing the preparation and usage of the knife and the handling of the animal both before and after shechitah.

Kosher meat rules barely begin once the animal has been slaughtered properly--the fresh carcass must be salted, soaked, de-veined and otherwise prepared in a specific, almost militaristic order, again dictated by the multitudinously detailed rules of shechitah. Much of this centers around Negative Mitzvot Nos. 183-185, which explicitly prohibit the consumption of the sciatic nerve, any blood, or specific fatty deposits, respectively. The slightest violation of shechitah's exacting specifications make the animal non-kosher. Once the meat has been cleaned and rendered kosher, it is packed and shipped out to your friendly neighborhood supermarket or kosher meat store.

Re: Still think beef is "Bible clean" food? #38491
05/14/05 02:27 PM
05/14/05 02:27 PM
debbie  Offline
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Speaking of those who bite into their hamburger not realizing it was once a live animal...you know how a picture can tell a thousand words?

I saw a picture just within the last several months in our Newspaper. It was a picture from the state of Alaska. It shows two young first graders, a boy and a girl. The adult in the picture was showing them how to "gut" or clean a salmon.

It showed them cutting the head off the salmon, etc. but you should have seen the faces of those two little children--looks of horror and shock!! You could read their little faces like a picture book. Obviously they were upset that the adult killed the salmon and proceeding to cut into it.

I believe if we knew how animals were killed so they could be consummed, we would react with loathing. The same is if we could see what we are really eating in that burger--we would react the same way.

I'm so glad in Heaven our pets and animals will be safe from all harm.

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