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Re: Chronicles of Narnia
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12/13/05 07:28 PM
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quote: Follows the exploits of the four Pevensie siblings--Lucy, Edmund, Susan and Peter--in World War II England who enter the world of Narnia through a magical wardrobe while playing a game of 'hide and seek' in the rural country home of an elderly professor. Once there, the children discover a charming, peaceful land inhabited by talking beasts, dwarfs, fauns, centaurs, and giants that has become a world cursed to eternal winter by the evil White Witch, Jadis. Under the guidance of a noble and mystical ruler , the lion Aslan, the children fight to overcome the White Witch's powerful hold over Narnia in a spectacular, climactic battle that will free Narnia from Jadis' icy spell forever.
Here is another story:
Two people are created by God, but do not follow what he told them not to do. The world is then controlled by the Devil who is the prince of the world. A noble but mystical man named Jesus is bourn to make things right and fight against the powers of the Devil. Can Jesus do it? Yep! His death on the cross (like that of Aslan's death on the stone table) makes death work backwards. Because of that sacrifice, all can live again, and the power of the Devil will be gone forever.
An interesting question, is personification an evil thing?
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Re: Chronicles of Narnia
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12/13/05 07:30 PM
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But then this still ignores what I said before; a movie is not going to be a fair representation of the book. Also, I doubt that a Yahoo! summary is going to do much justice to the story either.
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Re: Chronicles of Narnia
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12/13/05 08:57 PM
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quote: inhabited by talking beasts
Simply personification. Another example would be:
quote: "So you will go out with joy and be led out in peace. The mountains and hills will burst into song before you, and all the trees in the fields will clap their hands. Isaiah 55:12 NCV
quote: dwarfs, fauns, centaurs, and giants
Sounds a little nicer than this:
quote: And behold another beast, a second, like to a bear, and it raised up itself on one side, and it had three ribs in the mouth of it between the teeth of it: and they said thus unto it, Arise, devour much flesh. After this I beheld, and lo another, like a leopard, which had upon the back of it four wings of a fowl; the beast had also four heads; and dominion was given to it. After this I saw in the night visions, and behold a fourth beast, dreadful and terrible, and strong exceedingly; and it had great iron teeth: it devoured and brake in pieces, and stamped the residue with the feet of it: and it was diverse from all the beasts that were before it; and it had ten horns. Daniel 7:5 - 7 KJV
quote: And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy. And the beast which I saw was like unto a leopard, and his feet were as the feet of a bear, and his mouth as the mouth of a lion: and the dragon gave him his power, and his seat, and great authority. And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed: and all the world wondered after the beast. Revelation 13:1 - 3 KJV
quote: There were giants in the earth in those days Genesis 6:4 KJV
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Re: Chronicles of Narnia
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12/13/05 09:01 PM
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Im not sure discussing a book with someone who has not read it but still has strong opinions about it is well spent time. I could aswell try to explain electicity or cars to some stoneage tribe living in the middle of amazonas... (that would get them started about magic for sure)
For those of you who do not wish to have anything to do with this movie: Good enough, but please stop shouting wolf until you have either seen it or at least heard it howl.
For those who wish to continue discussing Narnia but have not yet read any of the books, go to the local library and spend the 1-2 hours it would take you to read the first book, then you will be able to pursue an inteligent discussion on the subject.
For those who wish to continue talk about CS Lewis and have not yet read any of his books but wouldnt be caught dead with a work of fiction, borrow or buy any of the books mentioned by Dave. They are all good christian books.
It is always more edifying when one actually knows what one is talking about, for all parts involved.
/Thomas
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Re: Chronicles of Narnia
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12/13/05 10:28 PM
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British author Colin Duriez, who wrote the article "Tollers and Jack" in issue #78 of Christian History, explains why this is so in his forthcoming book Tolkien and C. S. Lewis: The Gift of Friendship (Hidden Spring). Duriez tells the story of how these two brilliant authors met, discovered their common love for mythical tales, and pledged to bring such stories into the mainstream of public reading taste. http://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/2003/134/52.0.html Tolkien and Lewis shared the belief that through myth and legend—for centuries the mode many cultures had used to communicate their deepest truths—a taste of the Christian gospel's "True Myth" could be smuggled past the barriers and biases of secularized readers. http://www.thevalve.org/go/valve/article/adam_gopnik_on_cs_lewis_fairy_tales_and_the_religious_imagination/ http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2005/12/1209_051209_narnia_lewis.html http://frankrogers.home.mindspring.com/fairy.html http://chestertonandfriends.blogspot.com/2005/11/lewis-on-fairy-tales-true-myth.html "It is the fact that the Chronicles are fairy stories that makes their spiritual richness shine out, and it is that richness that makes them the sort of fairy stories to be enjoyed by everyone — both children and adults." this above quote is found in the CS Lewis site, Link below: http://cslewis.drzeus.net/papers/originsofnarnia.html No, I have never read anything by Lewis, nor by Toklkein, nor do I have a desire to do so. Neither do I want to put my opinion on this board for what others "should do" for we all must make our own decisions. The above links are so that anyone can read if they want to know more, and assess and decide for themselves what they believe. I know nothing of the reliability of these quotes within these links, I just found them on the 'net, as you, too, may have done. The quotes in the links below are considered by me to be inspired truths. The first one is from TM & Gospel workers. In my opinion, there is no way of escaping the truth of what these quotes say...at least to me. Again, everyone will have to make that decision themselves. Thankfully, God wants only obedience prompted by love, and our own choices. Please understand again, I am not trying to tell anyone what or what not to think or do...only sharing my own convictions, which in a way is my testimony. Dora ............................................... Even fiction which contains no suggestion of impurity, and which may be intended to teach excellent principles, is Page 446 harmful. It encourages the habit of hasty and superficial reading merely for the story. Thus it tends to destroy the power of connected and vigorous thought; it unfits the soul to contemplate the great problems of duty and destiny……. Myths and Fairy Tales In the education of children and youth, fairy tales, myths, and fictitious stories are now given a large place. Books of this character are used in the schools, and they are to be found in many homes. How can Christian parents permit their children to use books so filled with falsehood? When the children ask the meaning of stories so contrary to the teaching of their parents, the answer is that the stories are not true; but this does not do away with the evil results of their use. The ideas presented in these books mislead the children. They Page 447 impart false views of life and beget and foster a desire for the unreal. The widespread use of such books at this time is one of the cunning devices of Satan. He is seeking to divert the minds of old and young from the great work of character building. He means that our children and youth shall be swept away by the soul-destroying deceptions with which he is filling the world. Therefore he seeks to divert their minds from the word of God and thus prevent them from obtaining a knowledge of those truths that would be their safeguard. Never should books containing a perversion of truth be placed in the hands of children or youth. Let not our children, in the very process of obtaining an education, receive ideas that will prove to be seeds of sin. If those with mature minds had nothing to do with such books, they would themselves be far safer, and their example and influence on the right side would make it far less difficult to guard the youth from temptation. We have an abundance of that which is real, that which is divine. Those who thirst for knowledge need not go to polluted fountains. MH446, 447
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Re: Chronicles of Narnia
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12/13/05 10:37 PM
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To those on here who believe I should either read C.S. Lewis' books or stop discussing, I will have to say...ok, I can do that...stop discussing, I mean. I can't read his books.
We have heard enough from our pulpit re C.S. Lewis, even the story of the "Lion, Witch, and Wardrobe, and read enough in our Sabbath School lessons, no one could be uninformed in our church, unless they were deaf and/or blind.
Incidentally, we have heard little concerning Ellen White's writings for a long while, and never her name from our pulpit.
Sorry if I have offended anyone, but someone has to tell the truth of their convictions, based on the Bible and SOP. I know there are others on here who feel the same as I.
In His Love,
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Re: Chronicles of Narnia
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12/13/05 11:22 PM
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I doubt that Lewis is at fault for your pastor not quoting E. G. White. I have read a lot from her in the lessons however.
If one was going to place that standard on all fiction, one would have to discount what E. G. White said about Pilgrim's Progress and also need to take out two of the four gospels of the New Testament. Either there was a principal in what E. G. White said about fiction that would lead her to say what she did about Pilgrim’s Progress, or we have a satanic verse in the SOP. If it is a principal, we must apply that principal to other works of fiction than just the one book.
Of course, this does not help to deviate anyone reading C. S. Lewis' non fiction books. I believe there is too much of a schema in Adventism.
And yet again, a critical review or biographical sketch is not enough to be a judge of the works of C. S. Lewis. If you really want to know what kind of fruit he produced, read what he had to say!
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Re: Chronicles of Narnia
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12/13/05 11:39 PM
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Now isn't this more or less what non Adventist do with Ellen White? They listen to all the rumors about her, they read a small except of her writings here and there, and they form a conclusion without being educated in what she really has to say; people just believe what they hear.
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