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Re: Spirit of Prophesy #6787
10/07/03 03:18 AM
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According to the passages posted above it would appear that the phrase "the testimony of Jesus" refers in general to the Bible, whereas in the Revelation it seems to refer specifically to the prophecies and messages contained therein.

In the Revelation it says that the remnant people of God, who live during the great tribulation, have the testimony of Jesus. What does it mean to "have" the testimony of Jesus? Well, since this phrase refers to the Bible having the testimony of Jesus must necessarily mean having an accurate understanding of and experience with the truth as it is in Jesus, the truth as revealed in the Bible and the Revelation.

Revelation
12:17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.
19:10 And I fell at his feet to worship him. And he said unto me, See [thou do it] not: I am thy fellowservant, and of thy brethren that have the testimony of Jesus: worship God: for the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy.

The phrase "the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy" most likely means - the truth as it is in Jesus has been revealed to us by prophets through the spirit of prophecy, the sure word of prophecy. Notice how other translations render the meaning of Rev 19:10:

The Good News Translation
19:10 I fell down at his feet to worship him, but he said to me, "Don't do it! I am a servant together with you and with other believers, all those who hold to the truth that Jesus revealed. Worship God!" For the truth that Jesus revealed is what inspires the prophets.

The New Living Translation
19:10 Then I fell down at his feet to worship him, but he said, "No, don't worship me. For I am a servant of God, just like you and other brothers and sisters who testify of their faith in Jesus. Worship God. For the essence of prophecy is to give a clear witness for Jesus.

Re: Spirit of Prophesy #6788
10/07/03 03:47 AM
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Who has Jesus testimony and are there followers of Jesus that dont have it. Is Jesus testimony the gospel or something more besides? Is there any correlatiuon between having Jesus testimony and beeing saved?

Re: Spirit of Prophesy #6789
10/06/03 04:13 PM
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As I understand it, the everlasting gospel is the entire message of salvation in Jesus. It includes understanding and living by faith in harmony with the truth and the messages of the prophecies. "Having the everlasting gospel" means experiencing righteousness by faith. Unfortunately not all professing believers have been saved from sin unto good works.

Revelation
14:6 And I saw another angel fly in the midst of heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach unto them that dwell on the earth, and to every nation, and kindred, and tongue, and people,

Matthew
1:21 And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name JESUS: for he shall save his people from their sins.

Ephesians
2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: [it is] the gift of God:
2:9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.
2:10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.

What do you think?

Re: Spirit of Prophesy #6790
11/25/03 05:15 PM
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I've always understood the "spirit of prophecy" (lowercase) to be the actual spiritual gift of prophecy, given to people like Moses, David, Daniel, Isaiah, John the Baptist, Paul, etc. And Ellen G. White.

We know that the "testimony of Jesus" and the "spirit of prophecy" are the same thing, Rev. 19:10.

Paul wrote to the Corinthians,
"Even as the testimony of Christ was confirmed in you: So that ye come behind in no gift; waiting for the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ..." 1 Corinthians 1:6,7.
Paul says that the "testimony of Christ" is a "gift". The "testimony of Christ" would be the same as the "testimony of Jesus", which is the "spirit of prophecy"; so since a=b=c, the "spirit of prophecy" is the gift of prophecy.

As for the difference between "prophecy" with a 'c', and "prophesy" with an 's'; the former is a noun, and the latter a verb, right? (When a prophet prophesies, he/she gives prophecies.)

Lastly, it's been common practice to refer to the writings of EGW as the "Spirit of Prophecy", capital letters; since they contain things revealed by the foremost spiritual gift -- the spirit of prophecy, testimony of Jesus, testimony of Christ.

Re: Spirit of Prophesy #6791
11/25/03 08:58 PM
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Isn't the Spirit of prophecy a body of work that was inspired by the Holy Spirit through all the ages? Inspiration was given to many servants of the Lord for our edification and to help us in these latter days.

Re: Spirit of Prophesy #6792
11/25/03 09:23 PM
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quote:
Originally posted by R.A.:
Isn't the Spirit of prophecy a body of work that was inspired by the Holy Spirit through all the ages? Inspiration was given to many servants of the Lord for our edification and to help us in these latter days.

Hmm, would you consider for instance the work of Augustine to be part of the Spirit of Prophecy? After all, I have been told that his work influences the entire western church, including protestantism and thus including adventism.

/Thomas

Re: Spirit of Prophesy #6793
11/26/03 05:06 AM
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Did Augustine speak according to the law and the testimony?

Isaiah
8:20 To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, [it is] because [there is] no light in them.

Re: Spirit of Prophesy #6794
11/26/03 12:13 PM
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Have no idea, do you know?

/Thomas

Re: Spirit of Prophesy #6795
11/26/03 03:47 PM
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To get a flavor of his teachings check out these two articles on predestination and original sin, and one on his teachings in general:

http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/11312a.htm

http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/12378a.htm

http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/02091a.htm

Re: Spirit of Prophesy #6796
11/27/03 04:15 AM
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Hmm, would you consider for instance the work of Augustine to be part of the Spirit of Prophecy? After all, I have been told that his work influences the entire western church, including protestantism and thus includes adventism.

All work by Augustine would need to be compared to our only standard the Bible. Great care must be taken for at times the path of truth and the path of error lie close together. If error is found in Augustine's work then it can be compared to fruit from the poison tree. Does this mean that all of his enormous collection of theological writings are untrue? Not at all but once error is found it then becomes a matter of searching for truth from a tainted source

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