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The Immortality of the soul #79672
09/28/06 12:28 AM
09/28/06 12:28 AM
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James Saptenno  Offline OP
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When God created Adam, did he blew His breath of life in the nostrils of a clay statue/clay puppet or did he blew it in the nostrils of a dead human body, which afterwards became a living being and called Adam? Genesis 2:7.

I asked this because when a man died, his breath of life returns to God and he became a dead human body. Is the process in creation contrary to this at the death? First a death body formed from dust/clay and later a living human after God blew his breath of life?

In His love

James S

Re: The Immortality of the soul #79673
09/28/06 12:55 PM
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Why not let the Bible text speak for itself?

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Gen. 2:7 And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.



Here in the above text we have the LORD God who:

1 - Formed man of the dust of the ground.
2 - Breathed into his nostrils the breath of life.
3 - Man became a living soul.

God obviously, using His creative powers, formed man, of the dust of the ground, into a human being. Man didn't become a living soul, however, until God breathed into his nostrils the breath of life. If Christ had the ability of turning stones into bread, as the devil tempted Him to do in the wilderness, then He obviously had the ability to turn dust into a human being with all the inside and outside make-up of man ready for Him to breathe into man the breath of life.


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Re: The Immortality of the soul #79674
09/28/06 01:55 PM
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So, we agree that a man at creation consist of two substance only; a body that was formed from clay and the breath of life.

Is then the spirit of God the third substance that formed a living Adam?

In His love

James S

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Re: The Immortality of the soul #79675
09/28/06 04:20 PM
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Death did not exist when God created Adam, therefore, he was not "dead" before God breathed into his nostrils the breath of life.

Adam became a living soul the moment God breathed into his nostrils. It was the combination of the two that resulted in a living soul. There was no third element.

A living soul is not immortal. Even in the New Earth we will not be immortal. Our continued existence will depend on our regularly eating of the tree of life.

Re: The Immortality of the soul #79676
09/30/06 03:38 PM
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So, MM, God breathed his breath of life into the nostrils of a clay puppet rather than into a dead body (not the corpse of a man, but the body of Adam when there is no life yet)?

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James S

Re: The Immortality of the soul #79677
09/30/06 03:42 PM
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Now, if there were only two elements that formed Adam at creation when he became a living soul, Why did Paul said in 1 Thessalonians 5:23: And the very God of peace sanctify you holy; and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.
We have a third element here: soul.

Is this really a third element that formed Adam, or is it an element that just exist when Adam became alive?

In His love

James S

Re: The Immortality of the soul #79678
09/30/06 05:11 PM
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I wonder if we're not making more of the text that what Paul would want us to. Was Paul not simply saying that the whole person was to be blameless?

I think we as humans sometimes over complicate what the Bible says. JMVHO

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Re: The Immortality of the soul #79679
10/01/06 01:18 AM
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Quote.
Was Paul not simply saying that the whole person was to be blameless?
Unquote.

Was it?

How about this?
“And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul ; but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.” Matthew 10:28.

What does “ soul ” he refers? Could you apply the “ soul ” in 1 Thes 5:23 to what Jesus means?

In His love

James S

Re: The Immortality of the soul #79680
10/01/06 05:45 PM
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I am posting this at somebody else's request.

-----beginning of requested post-----

You were talking about God breathing life into a clay puppet or into a corpse. I don't understand why it had to be either. Since there was no sin yet, then the cells of a body would not begin to die, so why could there not be a complete viable body that needed only the breath of God to become living?

But apart from that, what exactly is a *soul*??? I gather that one can have a body without a soul, but can a soul exist without a body? I'm confused about that one.

-----end of requested post-----

How would you all respond to this person's post?


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Daryl smile

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Re: The Immortality of the soul #79681
10/01/06 11:20 PM
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Yea, I'm waiting responses to my question too.

In His love

James S

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