SWINE FLU

Posted By: Suzanne

SWINE FLU - 08/06/09 12:53 AM

Swine Flu Pandemic?

The World Health Organization said Tuesday, June 9, 2009 a spike in swine flu cases in Australia may push it to finally announce the first flu pandemic in 41 years. It also expressed concern about an unusual rise in severe illness from the disease in Canada.

WHO's flu chief Keiji Fukuda said the agency wanted to avoid "adverse effects" if it announces a global outbeak of swine flu. Fukuda said people might panic or that governments might take inappropriate actions if WHO declares a pandemic.

Some flu experts think the world already is in a pandemic and that WHO has caved in to country requests that a declaration be postponed. "On the surface of it, I think we are in phase 6," or a pandemic, declared Margaret Chan, WHO's director-general. --The Riverside, Calif. Press-Enterprise, June 10, 2009.

Suzanne
Posted By: Suzanne

Re: SWINE FLU - 08/06/09 12:58 AM

Swine Flu Kills Obese People: Is U.S. Primed for a Pandemic Catastrophe?

by Mike Adams, the Health Ranger, NaturalNews Editor

(NaturalNews) The fact that nearly two-thirds of U.S. adults are clinically obese is worrisome for a whole new reason: Evidence emerging from a hospital in Michigan (and published by the CDC) appears to indicate that obese patients may be very easily killed by swine flu.

In the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention's report on death and disease, researchers documented the case of ten swine flu patients at a Michigan hospital who became so ill they were put on ventilators. Three of the patients ultimately died from the infection. The kicker? Nine of the ten were obese, and two of the three who died were severely obese.

As reported by Reuters, CDC virologist Dr. Tim Uyeki said, "What this suggests is that there can be severe complications associated with this virus infection, especially in severely obese patients."

Notably, five of the patients showed evidence of blood clots in their lungs, indicating severe cellular trauma in the lungs. Nine of the patients suffered from multiple organ failure, and six experienced kidney failure.

What it means for the U.S. population

These findings are especially worrisome because nearly two-thirds of U.S. adults are now clinically obese. Combined with widespread vitamin D deficiency, nutritional deficiencies and pharmaceutically-induced immune suppression, the U.S. population is more vulnerable to a pandemic right now than any other population in the history of the world.

The American people, in other words, are primed for a pandemic. Virtually no one in America is both physically fit and nutritionally healthy anymore. Shockingly, most Americans don't even recognize physical fitness anymore, thinking that excess body fat is normal and that obese babies are just "chubby." Should the circulating swine flu combine with seasonal flu this fall, it could devastate the immunologically vulnerable U.S. population, potentially killing millions.

There's no mystery here

The number of patients reviewed in this study is quite small (only ten), but even so, this could be a warning sign of more deaths to come from infected, obese patients. Of course, there's really no mystery why obesity may cause extreme vulnerability to swine flu infections: The virus kills through an inflammatory process, and obesity is, itself, a highly-inflammatory condition that only exacerbates the deadliness of the H1N1 virus.

Patients who have made themselves obese -- for whatever reason -- have also unleashed a storm of inflammatory cytokines in their blood, and these cytokines are precisely what get over-excited during the body's response to a swine flu infection, leading to organ damage and death. This is precisely why people wishing to survive the coming pandemic must make a special effort to attain a high level of physical and nutritional health before such a pandemic arrives.

Being obese compromises your body's immune system, liver, heart, lungs and kidneys. This puts a serious additional burden on your body, leaving few spare resources for fighting off infections. That's probably why nine out of ten swine flu victims documented in the Michigan hospital were obese.

The bottom line in this study is quite clear: Don't be obese during the next pandemic. If you are obese now, let this bit of knowledge provide whatever extra motivation you need to drop some excess body fat and reduce the inflammatory burden on your body's organs. Obesity is, after all, readily reversed through simple changes in diet and exercise habits.

Make no mistake: There will be another deadly pandemic that sweeps through our population. No one knows whether H1N1 swine flu is the next "big" pandemic, but if it is, there will be a very clear pattern among those who are killed by it: People with poor health; who are poisoned by pharmaceuticals and chemical additives; who are obese, vitamin D deficient and who live on processed foods.

Don't be one of those people. Stay healthy, fit and well-nourished. Eat superfoods and living foods. Exercise at least three hours a week. Keep your body weight in check and you'll have a huge health advantage in not just the next pandemic, but also for your own longevity and wellbeing.

Stay healthy and you'll stay alive, through both good times and bad.

Sources: Reuters: http://www.reuters.com/article/midd... --end of article.

Comment: While the author comes on a bit strong, the take home message is that we are responsible for taking care of our body temples. Please don't be offended at the warning message!

Suzanne
Posted By: Suzanne

Re: SWINE FLU - 08/06/09 01:04 AM

Swine-Flu Forecast is Grim

In a disturbing new projection, health officials say up to 40% of Americans could get swine flu this year and next and severeal hundred thousands could die without a sucdessful vaccine campaign and other measures.

The estimates by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention are roughly twice the number of those who catch flu in a normal season and add greater weight to hurried efforts to get a vaccine ready for the fall flu season.

Swine flu has already hit the U.S. harder than any other nation, but it has struct something of a glacing blow that is more surprising than devastating. The virus has killed about 300 Americans, and experts think it has sickened over 1 million, comparable to a seasonal flu.

Health officials say flu cases might explode this fall, when schools open and become germ factories....The World Health Organization estimates that 2 billion could become infected worldwide.

The CDC estimates are based on a flu pandemic from 1957, which killed nearly 70,000 in the U.S. but was not as severe as the infamous Spanish flu pandemic of 1918-19. The number of deaths and illnesses from the virus would drop if the pandemic peters out or if efforts to slow it are successful, according to CDC spokesman Tom Skinner.

While flu shots are being pushed, health officials might urge other measures such as avoiding crowded places, washing hands, covering coughs, etc.

Because so many more people are expected to catch the new flu, the number of deaths over 2 years could range from 90,000 to several hundred thousand, the CDC calculates. In a normal season, about 36,000 people die from flu and its complications. --The Denver Post, July 25, 2009.

Suzanne
Posted By: Suzanne

Re: SWINE FLU - 08/06/09 01:10 AM

Pig 'Flu Farms' Threaten Global Health

After dominating the news for weeks, swine flu has started to take a backseat to other concerns. But health officials have not forgotten that the 1918 flu pandemic first appeared as a mild outbreak in the spring and then muated to the form that infected a third of the world's population and killed millions of people in the U.S. alone. Crowded pig farms likely led to the emergence of the new H1N1 swine flu virus, and they create the perfect breeding ground for this and other unstable viruses to mutate into even deadlier forms.

In May, 2009, PCRM placed a digital ad in a Washington, D.C., metro station urging U.S. Agriculture Secretary Tom Vilsack to shut down intensive pig farms to reduce swine flu risk.

One-third to one-half of pigs on modern farms have antibody evidence of influenza viruses, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. On massive pig farms, intensive crowding and poor sanitatary conditions allow viruses to replicate and mutate rapidly. once a viral mutant emerges, it is spread by farm workers and the transport of livestock.

In a letter Vilsack, PCRM president Neal Barnard, MD, pointed out that leading health experts have expressed concerns about factory farming. Five years ago, the American Public Health Assoc. called for a moratorium on new factory farms. Last year, the PEW Commission on Industrial Farm Animal Production cited numerous public health issues associated with factory farms and recommended the phaseout of intensive confinement on farms.

The average American now consumes more than 200 pounds of meat a year, including a significant amount of pork. A collective shift to a vegetarian diet could help eliminate the farms that breed infectious disease. --Reprinted (by permission) from Good Medicine, Summer 2009, Physicians Committee for Responsible Medicine.

Suzanne
Posted By: Suzanne

Re: SWINE FLU - 08/06/09 01:18 AM

Pork Flu?

The World Health Organization cautioned that meat from pigs infected with the H1N1 swine flu virus should not be used for human consumption. Despite some suggestions to the contrary, it is possible for flu viruses to survive the freezing process and be present in thawed meat, as well as in the blood, according to the WHO. --Reprinted (by permission) from Good Medicine, Summer 2009, Physicians Committee for Responsible Medicine.

Suzanne
Posted By: Colin

Re: SWINE FLU - 08/06/09 05:59 AM

Thanks for opening this topic, Suzanne! grin

It's important to note both the official WHO point of view and the NaturalNews angle, thank you.

The info I've seen, from two independent sources, is that this bout of flu is most unlikely to be sourced in pigs, and that the vaccine being developed at break neck speed for the WHO is equally most likely not to be safety tested adequately and not meant to restore health very well.

Also, most flu medications, and especially NSAID (non-steroidal anti-inflammatory drugs) except for aspirin, are far more risk-laden for children suffering from flu. They'll aggravate the effect on the body of the flue itself. Tylenol is one of the few listed as safer for children.

Brave doctors' advice is that this 'swine flu' isn't a natural phenomenon (not actually from pigs) and the best treatment is to boost immunity - as advised in Suzanne's posts - and to steer clear of tamiflu and whatever new vaccine comes out now. Paracetemol is still ok for adults, far as I could tell, but as always check with your doctor.
Posted By: vastergotland

Re: SWINE FLU - 08/06/09 02:49 PM

I wonder, they referred to ten dead in Michigan for one of the articles above. Why did they not include such information from other parts where people have died from this disease? It would seem to have been the responsible thing to do to get better numbers to work with.
Posted By: Colin

Re: SWINE FLU - 08/07/09 04:28 AM

Are any televised etc statistics/reports on this reliable? Illness and death are sad and tragic, but why isn't this simply ordinary flu??? There's far too much propaganda round this simply to trust brand new medicine..., or recommended increased innoculation.

Swine flu...: foot and mouth is actually bovine flu - do humans get it, and does it even harm cattle?? There's something afoot in this latest WHO & UN project...
Posted By: Suzanne

Re: SWINE FLU - 09/02/09 01:13 AM

Canada Looks at Vitamin D for Swine Flu Protection

The Public Health Agency of Canada (PHAC) has confirmed that it will be investigating the role of vitamin D in protection against swine flu.

This agency started a study in 2008 on the role of vitamin D in severe seasonal influenza, which it said it will now adapt to the H1N1 swine flu virus.

Part of the researchers' goal is to ascertain whether vitamin D levels are in any way responsible for the fact that most people with seasonal influenza develop a mild illness, but a small minority go on to develop severe symptoms.

According to PHAC, results from its study will indicate the extent and nature of the role of vitamin D in severe seasonal influenza. --Natralngredients, August 10, 2009.

Comment: You do not have to wait until results from this study come in. We already have an abundance of evidence that sunlight is a natural healer as well as a preventive modality. Yes, the body synthesizes vitamin D upon exposure to ultraviolet radiation from sunlight.

Be sensible now, and don't overdo it and be mindful of the other natural healing modalities that work together with adequate sunlight: pure air and water, rest, correct diet, exercise, trust in divine power, etc.

Suzanne
Posted By: kland

Re: SWINE FLU - 09/04/09 04:51 PM

"There's something afoot in this latest WHO & UN project..."

Yeah?

Am I misunderstanding the following link and its sub links or should Swine Flu not be considered a surprise but merely the result of an experiment which the CDC at least in part participated in several years ago?
http://www.recombinomics.com/News/01040502/Korea_Recombination_Reassortment.html
Posted By: Green Cochoa

Re: SWINE FLU - 09/04/09 05:45 PM

I think the best "Vitamin" in these plagues is a healthy dose of Psalm 91.

Blessings,

Green Cochoa.
Posted By: crater

Re: SWINE FLU - 09/11/09 09:54 AM

Quote:
France to use swine flue to gut laws: report In case of a swine flu pandemic the French government has a plan to introduce emergency measures that would gut legal protections for citizens, the daily Liberation reported Tuesday.

According to documents provided to the daily by a judges' union, the plan would extend the period police can keep a suspect in detention without charge or a hearing before a judge to up to six months.

Suspects would also not be able to contact a lawyer until after spending 24 hours in custody.

Under the plan children could be tried in adult courts and more trials held behind closed doors.

The Syndicat de la Magistrature called the measures "revolting" and said they would amount to "liberticide," and called on Justice Minister Michele Alliot-Marie to abandon the plan.

The union was due to release on Tuesday the text of the government plan, which it said was provided to heads of courts in great secrecy in July, the newspaper reported.

Swine flu, or the A(H1N1) virus, the first pandemic to be declared by the World Health Organization in this century, has so far claimed 15 lives in France, out of at least 2,837 worldwide.

The French government has conducted extensive planning to prepare for an expected new wave of infections as the autumn flu season approaches in the northern hemisphere.
Posted By: crater

Re: SWINE FLU - 09/12/09 05:00 AM

Here is another take on the "N1H1 swine flu”
Quote:
. H1N1 October surprise prevention by Deborah Dupre
Global Research, August 22, 2009
The Examiner

The core essence of "Greater Things" is that there is always a better way to do things -- anything -- whether it be religion, politics, science, academia -- anything. To the extent that we get institutionalized and codified in a set belief system, is the extent that we inhibit the ability to grow and learn new and better ways. - Dr. Andrew Moulden.

A growing number of doctors, other health professionals and citizens are attempting to prevent the humanitarian disaster planned for this October when the new H1N1 vaccine is to be deployed in a grand scale, military, war on terror manoeuvre .

"Primum non nocere" ("First do no harm"), medical ethics standard attributed to Hippocrates that became obligatory for physicians prior to practicing medicine in the 4th century AD is still upheld by some doctors who oppose the worldwide October plan including what Global Research Director, Michel Chossudovsky warns is a military operation leading to global militarization control of individuals.

An under-reported first International Swine Flu Conference being held in Washington DC this weekend includes sessions on “conducting morgue operations,” “mass fatality planning” and “unwillingness to follow government orders,” and “training teachers to screen for symptoms …and “transport ill students.”(Jesse Woodrow, They have planned to take kids from schools for Mass Vaccinations and Quarantines WAKE UP!) (video)

Dr. Chossudovsky asserts that chilling reports such as those recently released in the UK about mass morgues are “totally fabricated” and “[t]here is absolutely no scientific evidence to support these claims.” (Michel Chossudovsky, Fear, Intimidation & Media Disinformation: U.K Government is Planning Mass Graves in Case of H1N1 Swine Flu Pandemic, Global Research, August 21, 2009) (online)

“Realities are turned upside down. The British government is deliberately misleading the British public,” states Chossudovsky.

“There is ample evidence, documented in numerous reports, that the WHO's level 6 pandemic alert is based on fabricated evidence and a manipulation of the figures on mortality and morbidity resulting from the N1H1 swine flu,” he advises. (emphasis added)

CBS in London reported, “Experts estimate swine flu to be about as dangerous as seasonal flu, and there usually isn't a high demand for those vaccines.” (CBS, Gov'ts Worry About H1N1 Vaccine Contracts, London, July 16, 2009. (online)

“State and local public health planners,” however, “have been asked to plan for vaccine becoming available mid-October under the following scenarios: 40, 80, or 160 million doses becoming available from the 5 manufacturers (total) over approximately a one month period, followed by weekly amounts of 10, 20 or 30 million doses” according to the recent CDC report.

Barbara Loe Fisher is alerting the public to recognize that the flu is not the problem and that the dangerous vaccine and further removal of rights requires urgent public education and action to thwart the October plan.
Sherry Beal stated yesterday during the KPFK public radio “Health Planet, Health Me” program that H1N1 is by far the greatest issue impacting humanity than anything that has happened in her 25 years as a health science journalist, (KPFK Sherry Beal radio interview, “Healthy Planet Healthy Me, August 21, 2009) yet mainstream news has made little if any mention of the Washington DC conference ending today. (audio)

Deadly vaccines deployed this October

Numerous doctors and other health professionals agree with Alliance for Human Research Protection Director, Dr. Vera Sherav who stated in the KPFK interview yesterday that H1N1 vaccine has potential to rapidly and dangerously spread the disease.

“All vaccinations cause immediate and delayed, acute and chronic, permanent and transient, disease and disorders that cut across all organ systems,” states Dr. Andrew Moulden BA, MA, MD, PhD. (video)

War tactics of fear mongering war and media black-out on vaccine dangers and martial law is seemingly designed to cause ill-informed citizens to submit to the dangerous H1N1 vaccine.

Chossudovsky's August 19 Fear, Intimidation & Media Disinformation: U.K Government is Planning Mass Graves in Case of H1N1 Swine Flu Pandemic (online) report states:

"[A]mply documented and denied by Western governments, the proposed vaccines could result in more deaths than those caused by the H1N1 influenza, as confirmed by Britain's Health Protection Agency and the letter, sent to about 600 neurologists on July 29, is the first sign that there is concern at the highest levels that the vaccine itself could cause serious complications.
Chossudovsky refers to the use of a similar swine flu vaccine in the United States in 1976 when:

* More people died from the vaccination than from swine flu.
* 500 cases of GBS were detected.
* The vaccine may have increased the risk of contracting GBS by eight times.
* The vaccine was withdrawn after just ten weeks when the link with GBS became clear.
* The US Government was forced to pay out millions of dollars to those affected. (Mail on Sunday, August 16, 2009)

Code Red in effect now - martial law

Few choices will be allowed to citizens in the present Code Red Emergency, according to Barbara Loe Fisher, President National Vaccine Information Center. (video)

Massachusetts legislators have already passed pandemic influenza legislation legalizing entering homes without consent of occupants, quarantining without consent and abandoning free assembly of citizens.
The National Vaccine Information Center public vaccine education and advocacy watchdog, urges everyone to rapidly become informed about H1N1 ‘swine’ flu, vaccines and rights on freedom of choice, and to act upon them:

"As Dept of Homeland Security Officials are declaring that ‘any’ disease outbreak is a matter of ‘Homeland Security,’

As Dept of Defense are defining public demonstrations as ‘low-level terrorism,’

As plans are being made to designate 'selected US airports as quarantine centers through which all airplanes would be Re-routed for passenger health inspection;’
And as fast-tracked ‘experimental’ pandemic flu vaccines are being created to be given first to American children in schools:

It is time for all of us, whether public health doctors or ordinary citizens trying to protect our health; it is up to all of us to act in responsible and rational ways.” (Barbara Loe Fisher, 2009)
Mass public education about mass vaccination planned

Yesterday, Dr. Sherav agreed with knowledgeable ethical doctors globally: the "vaccine can absolutely spread the H1N1 ‘swine flu.'” (KPFK Sherry Beal radio interview, “Healthy Planet Healthy Me, August 21, 2009) (audio)

“This is no time to be a spectator, nor to hide in fear, and there's no sense in waiting until the worst possible scenario happens,” writes citizen action group, Vaccine Resistance Movement (VRM) coordinators, Wayne Prante and Joel Lord on the world's largest online social network, Face book. (online)

Through Facebook, VRM is leading a global “We’re Not Going To Take It” events next weekend, August 28th-30th.

“This is about the most basic of all human rights: control over our own bodies and health decisions,” VRM states.

Learn more, take responsible action, and keep asking, "Why?" and "Why not?" Subscribe below and see Dupre's website.

For more information H1N1 and about how you, your family and community can affect change by pressuring Congress to pass self-shielding legislation, see "Warning in the eye of the false flag storm" by Dupre, complete with community learning activities. Watch the edutaining, Video/Song: 'Trillion - Say No To The Vaccine. Want to write for the Examiner? Please email Dupre for more information about this opportunity. Keep the peace through responsible action and accountability.
Posted By: kland

Re: SWINE FLU - 09/14/09 04:10 PM

This imaginary "pandemic" will disappear when nothing happens. But, if the vaccine itself causes something to happen, The Powers will be able to continue their experiments.

I recall watching a Star Trek show (amazing how images you see stay with you for decades), where they were captured by this planet run by women. The men were fed porridge which had a drug in it to make the men submissive. It was very hard to avoid the porridge. Once people started, they then were drugged and unable to exercise their will. The leaders also walked around enforcing compliance of eating the porridge. Of course the captain managed to avoid it and saved the day...

Just thought that was somehow relevant.
Posted By: crater

Re: SWINE FLU - 09/18/09 09:32 AM

Here are links to MUST read / veiw on the swine flu.

Dr. Mercola and Dr. Russell Blaylock, M.D give some very interesting information, so education yourself!

This site has 4 video clips of ten min. each. You owe it to yourself to take the time to view and share with your family and friends.

http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2009/09/19/The-Truth-about-the-Flu-Shot.aspx

http://www.russellblaylockmd.com/

http://products.mercola.com/multivitamin-vital-minerals/?source=nl
Posted By: vastergotland

Re: SWINE FLU - 09/18/09 06:32 PM

Hmm, I thought it interesting when he listed what a good supplement should contain only to follow up with, 'and I happen to be selling what I just told you that you need'. Oh well..
Posted By: kland

Re: SWINE FLU - 09/18/09 07:56 PM

Thanks for the links, crater. A link from a link to a link, I somehow came across these:
http://www.etherzone.com/2006/stang112406.shtml
http://www.rense.com/general36/history.htm

And they aren't selling anything on that page, vaster. Lots of claims made which should easily be determined whether true or not. Perhaps you could go through some and tell us which are valid or invalid. The second link mentions experimentation on Adventists which I remember reading about in the Review.
Posted By: Green Cochoa

Re: SWINE FLU - 09/18/09 08:26 PM

Originally Posted By: västergötland
Hmm, I thought it interesting when he listed what a good supplement should contain only to follow up with, 'and I happen to be selling what I just told you that you need'. Oh well..

Vaster,

Big pharma does not stand to profit much on over-the-counter Vitamins and supplements. It is genuinely difficult to find good quality ones these days. The FDA has largely left the supplements industry unregulated (a bit like bottled water), and when they have elected to regulate, it's usually to ban something altogether (like Tryptophan--a simple amino acid--when a few people died of allergic reaction to the shark impurities in some Tryptophan imported from Japan a few years ago).

Some doctors have taken to special ordering their own formulations of supplements for lack of any on the market which fit their style of medicine. For example, a doctor who prescribes a lot of supplements to his patients, a high percentage of whom have allergies, may find it difficult to obtain supplements free of milk, soy, wheat, citrus, etc. Many tablets use corn or wheat starch as the "filler." Citrus products are often the source of Vitamin C, yet many people are allergic to these things.

Blessings,

Green Cochoa.
Posted By: Colin

Re: SWINE FLU - 09/18/09 08:52 PM

Originally Posted By: västergötland
Hmm, I thought it interesting when he listed what a good supplement should contain only to follow up with, 'and I happen to be selling what I just told you that you need'. Oh well..


Since your doctor is unlikely to tell you about it, and the government doesn't want you to take your money away from buying medicines, so that there is no commercial advertising for what is left of quality products these days - tested on the basis of personal testimonies and reports on natural supplements which likely need no testing as they aren't imbalaned by processing, comes from those who know what's good for you among the select few doctors brave enough to break with their professional body's opinion.

Good advice costs a lot, even ruined medical careers, perhaps, so he's being fair on his website: are you? wink

Give him a break for giving good advice, and be thankful for it, instead. smile
Posted By: kland

Re: SWINE FLU - 09/18/09 08:59 PM

Speaking of shark, I read that the Swine Flu vaccine was going to contain squalene.


Wow! Is this true?:
http://www.naturalnews.com/022816.html

The government references say they are spraying to control a moth. But this sounds so 60ish. Is this right for mass spraying anything over the population? Is this how it's going to be: Just spraying for lice. Nothing to worry about.


Just heard on the radio that the Swine Flu vaccine can be given in a nasal mist form.....
Posted By: Suzanne

Re: SWINE FLU - 09/18/09 09:52 PM

1918 Influenza: A Treatment That Worked

At least 20 million people died in the 1918 influenza epidemic and Eleanora McBean, Ph.D., N.D. tells us something pretty interesting about it. Drug-oriented medical doctors and hospitals, she tells us, "were losing 33% of their flu cases," while "non-medical hospitals such Battle Creek, Kellogg and MacFadden's Health Restorium were getting almost 100% healings."

Most people reading this already know that drugs are almost never the answer to what ails the body. But do you know how they were achieving an almost 100% recovery rate at Battle Creek, a facility run by Dr. John Harvey Kellogg?

A 1918 article titled Spanish Influenza Treatment, edited by Dr. Kellogg, shares the recommended influenza protocols:

First the patients were doing water enemas twice a day to clean their bowels. They'd use 2 or 3 pints of warm water and cleanse their colon thoroughly, until all the filth was removed. The enemas started at the beginning of the disease and continued until complete recovery.

Second, the patients were drinking 3 or 4 quarts of water or fruit juice each day to promote elimination through the kidneys and skin. A glass was taken each half hour, when awake. Fiber, such as bran, was mixed into foods including oatmeal and rice to promote bowel movements and the elimination of the problem.

Short hot baths and hot blanket packs were used to ease fevers and help with pain in the back and legs. A hot blanket pack entailed wrapping a person in a "hot as they could stand," wrung-out wet blanket fotr 12 to 15 minutes. A wool blanket covered the outside of the wet blanket, and heads and faces were kept cool. If the pulse was rapid, an ice pack was held over the heart. For very high fevers, the hot blanket packs were used only for 4 or 5 minutes.

Cold compresses were used for headaches. For high fevers, a cold compress was used immediately after a short hot blanket pack to bring down the fever.

It wasn't said, because in 1918 it wasn't such a widespread problem, but obviously sugar, processed foods and junk foods should be avoided in the case of any flu or influenza. That's just common sense whenever your body is showing signs of problems. Patients were also kept in bed for several days after the fever was gone.

It was stated that these measures, applied intelligently, would bring the number of deaths from influenza, and the pneumonia that often followed, to a "negligible quantity." --NaturalNews.com - Sept. 9, 2009.

Suzanne

Posted By: vastergotland

Re: SWINE FLU - 09/18/09 10:08 PM

Greenie, Colin & kland,

Even if he does not represent Big Pharma, he still talks in his own interest. Which means that he is highly unlikely to reveal anything that would be negative towards the products he sells. If such exist and he is aware of them, we would not learn about them from his mouth.
Posted By: Green Cochoa

Re: SWINE FLU - 09/18/09 10:30 PM

Originally Posted By: västergötland
Greenie, Colin & kland,

Even if he does not represent Big Pharma, he still talks in his own interest. Which means that he is highly unlikely to reveal anything that would be negative towards the products he sells. If such exist and he is aware of them, we would not learn about them from his mouth.

Vaster,

I agree that what you say here is perfectly true. However, do you suppose a doctor is ever going to be free of this type of bias? Many needless treatments may be given in the doctors' own interest. And since when is Big Pharma absolved of bias in advertising or in mandating its drugs be used? Did you realize that in America, it can be considered malpractice for a medical doctor to prescribe vitamins and minerals in place of the more "conventional" drugs? This is because the state medical boards are indoctrinated by Big Pharma. The insurance companies and Big Pharma have deep pockets with which to lobby the lawmakers in their favor. They work cooperatively. The medical insurance will not cover vitamins. It will cover only the "conventional" drugs such as are offered by the pharmaceutical companies.

This is why doctors like Mercola, and Jonathan Wright cannot accept medical insurance. Unfortunately, the US government has made it illegal for a "preferred provider" (a medical doctor cooperating with the insurance system) to treat a medicare patient for cash, or even for free! (And they only pay a small portion of the actual fees to the doctor, say 60%.) If the doctor prescribes things which the insurance won't pay for, the doctor doesn't get paid either. But if the doctor prescribes the "main-stream" fare, then the insurance company will compensate the doctor for those things. This may tempt doctors to "fix up" their medical charts in order to receive compensation.

Nice system, eh? The insurance companies and Big Pharma have a nice monopoly--and they like to play doctor without a license.

Blessings,

Green Cochoa.
Posted By: vastergotland

Re: SWINE FLU - 09/18/09 10:51 PM

Interesting indeed. Didnt know that.
Posted By: vastergotland

Re: SWINE FLU - 09/18/09 10:58 PM

Originally Posted By: Suzanne
1918 Influenza: A Treatment That Worked

At least 20 million people died in the 1918 influenza epidemic and Eleanora McBean, Ph.D., N.D. tells us something pretty interesting about it. Drug-oriented medical doctors and hospitals, she tells us, "were losing 33% of their flu cases," while "non-medical hospitals such Battle Creek, Kellogg and MacFadden's Health Restorium were getting almost 100% healings."

Most people reading this already know that drugs are almost never the answer to what ails the body. But do you know how they were achieving an almost 100% recovery rate at Battle Creek, a facility run by Dr. John Harvey Kellogg?

A 1918 article titled Spanish Influenza Treatment, edited by Dr. Kellogg, shares the recommended influenza protocols:

First the patients were doing water enemas twice a day to clean their bowels. They'd use 2 or 3 pints of warm water and cleanse their colon thoroughly, until all the filth was removed. The enemas started at the beginning of the disease and continued until complete recovery.

Second, the patients were drinking 3 or 4 quarts of water or fruit juice each day to promote elimination through the kidneys and skin. A glass was taken each half hour, when awake. Fiber, such as bran, was mixed into foods including oatmeal and rice to promote bowel movements and the elimination of the problem.

Short hot baths and hot blanket packs were used to ease fevers and help with pain in the back and legs. A hot blanket pack entailed wrapping a person in a "hot as they could stand," wrung-out wet blanket fotr 12 to 15 minutes. A wool blanket covered the outside of the wet blanket, and heads and faces were kept cool. If the pulse was rapid, an ice pack was held over the heart. For very high fevers, the hot blanket packs were used only for 4 or 5 minutes.

Cold compresses were used for headaches. For high fevers, a cold compress was used immediately after a short hot blanket pack to bring down the fever.

It wasn't said, because in 1918 it wasn't such a widespread problem, but obviously sugar, processed foods and junk foods should be avoided in the case of any flu or influenza. That's just common sense whenever your body is showing signs of problems. Patients were also kept in bed for several days after the fever was gone.

It was stated that these measures, applied intelligently, would bring the number of deaths from influenza, and the pneumonia that often followed, to a "negligible quantity." --NaturalNews.com - Sept. 9, 2009.

Suzanne

Sounds like a very labourintensive care form.
Posted By: Colin

Re: SWINE FLU - 09/19/09 02:07 AM

Labour intensive, yes, but designed to help the body do its health preserving job. Assisting the immune system, not suppressing it.
Posted By: Colin

Re: SWINE FLU - 09/19/09 02:20 AM

Originally Posted By: västergötland
Greenie, Colin & kland,

Even if he does not represent Big Pharma, he still talks in his own interest. Which means that he is highly unlikely to reveal anything that would be negative towards the products he sells. If such exist and he is aware of them, we would not learn about them from his mouth.


Self-interest, yes, but potentially livelihood too. I know of Drs Mercola and Blaylock from health news sources sympathetic to and in tune with the SDA health reform lifestyle.

I've seen first hand how big Pharm and lawmakers in the EU conspired about 5 or so years ago with the Food Supplements Directive to categorise all natural food supplements as drugs: this required such supplements to be tested for safety, just as actual drugs need to be. This regime would have decimated this industry, which cannot afford such testing - not having the subsidis or sales volume of Big Pharma.

The Alliance for Natural Health (ANH), based in London, and coordinating all EU wide natural food supplement producers, managed to get the quarter million pounds together for taking the government to court over the wrongfulness of this regime and indeed how this Directive was wrongly drawn up, using unsuitable powers from the wrong treaty. I witnessed both the application for a full trial, a judicial review, and the actual judicial review, in Luxembourg, in the grand hall of the ECJ.

As an end user and former distributer of Neways International's natural food supplements and non-toxic personal hygiene products - yes, I still use them! - I was glad to see the Directive cut down to size, the natural food supplements being allowed to be produced and only brought in for examination should any dangers come to light from their usage, rather than the drug approach.

In the EU we may not have as tight a medical regime as the US doctors, but we get hit from the other side instead.
Posted By: Green Cochoa

Re: SWINE FLU - 09/19/09 07:44 AM

I suppose we are straying a little from the swine flu topic, but it is my belief that with the proper use of supplements and natural therapies (hot/cold treatments, etc.), swine flu would be a non-issue.

As for those supplements, however, in line with the "health under attack" thread, the FDA, as lobbied by Big Pharma and the insurance companies, has tried to prevent their use. (See story further on.)

Dr. Jonathan V. Wright, M.D. says this:
Originally Posted By: Dr. Jonathan Wright, MD
We got one hour, by the way, for lectures on vitamins and minerals in medical school. A whole blinking hour.


In the same webpage, Dr. Wright addresses the proper treatment of viruses.
Originally Posted By: Dr. Jonathan Wright, MD
As you know, even though we have the First Amendment in the Constitution, the FDA has negated the First Amendment when it comes to free speech in health care ever since about the ‘40s and ‘50s. That’s why if you pick up your bottle of vitamins in your local natural food store, let’s say you pick up a bottle of Vitamin E or something, all it says is “supports cardiovascular health.” Because if they were to put on there that Vitamin E has been found in this scientific study over here to cut the rate of heart attacks by this percent, even though the research is true, they could be hauled up by the FDA on the grounds of making an unapproved claim. The FDA doesn’t care whether it’s true or not, they just care whether they’ve approved it.

And so, fish oil, for example. Everybody knows, and all the major medical journals have published it in the last two years, that taking enough fish oil every day cuts your risk of sudden cardiac death by 50 percent or more, and yet if anybody put that on a label of a fish oil bottle, they would be out of business tomorrow, I guarantee it.

here’s another little inside truth, not secret, but truth. It gets printed every once in a while and I’ve seen it online. In the mid 1990s, at someone’s cardiology convention, the Annual Convention of the American College of Cardiologists or something, one of the speakers asked that particular audience, “How many of you recommend Vitamin E to your patients?” And approximately 25 to 30 percent of the doctors there raised their hands—remember this is conventional, that’s pretty good. And, “How many of you take Vitamin E yourself?” Better than half of the room raised their hands!

We’ve cleared up any number of cases of people with terrific flu whose families knew better than to take them to the hospital, they bring them over to the clinic. We run in the high-dose Vitamin C, and they have remarkable turnaround. But that’s not the only thing. There are dozens and dozens of articles in the so-called medical literature from the 1930s and mostly 1940s about outright cures of the dread viral diseases of the day with something called ultraviolet blood irradiation, and many of those articles were published by doctors working in hospitals at the time.

And now you cannot find one hospital in the whole United States that has an ultraviolet blood irradiation machine, and you cannot find one hospital in the whole United States that gives high-dose intravenous Vitamin C. And there’s a third thing I’m going to be talking about, and that is the use of ozone intravenously, which was introduced in Germany in the 1920s and in German practice and in American practice, is known to reduce the odds, and none of these things eliminate the odds, but reduce the odds, dramatically, of dying from any of the serious viral diseases.



Well, what’s done is to take the blood out into a bottle, ozonate the blood in the bottle and flow the blood back into the person. But anyway, all of these things dramatically reduce the risk (although they do not work 100 percent) of death from SARS, from any of the dread viral diseases.

And yet can you get that treatment in any American hospital today? Rhetorical question. No, you can’t. You’ve got to go see a so-called alternative medicine doctor, who uses those techniques.

“Hey folks! First thing you want to do about viral diseases is prevent them—eat right, get the sugar out of your diet. Don’t eat stuff you’re allergic to. Use the Vitamin A, use the Vitamin C, take your Echinacea and boost your immune system.” Do all that, and you won’t catch it in the first place, or at least you’ll greatly reduce your odds of catching it in the first place. But if you do happen to catch it, there is treatment, even if it gets serious.

There is just the best controlled, double-blind, placebo-controlled research out there that the element strontium, when combined with calcium and Vitamin D, can dramatically help to reverse osteoporosis. The latest study reported a gain of 15 percent over three years in bone in the spine and 9 percent in the hip, and there is no patent medicine on the market that comes close. And the strontium’s in all the health food stores. Have we heard this in the major media anywhere?

Here’s a research article from Finland, or from Scandinavia anyway, it might have been Finland. A whole bunch of kids, starting at age one, were started on 2000 units (and we’re told by the FDA that’s going to kill them if they’re one year old) of Vitamin D, and that was maintained for a few years, and there’s a control group that didn’t get any Vitamin D. And when they finally looked at all the statistics, And that is fantastically significant! And here we’ve got the American Diabetes Association going around collecting money to cure diabetes. Excuse me—somebody just showed us how to prevent it!

I'm not aware of him being an Adventist, but this sounds much like the Adventist health message in some ways, preferring natural remedies to prescription drugs.

The following links tell the story of what the FDA did to him because of his use of supplements in his practice.

http://www.healthfreedom.net/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=176&Itemid
http://community.seattletimes.nwsource.com/archive/?date=19920507&slug=1490431 http://community.seattletimes.nwsource.com/archive/?date=19921003&slug=1516410

Most medical doctors in the US have been to greater or lesser degrees intimidated by the government and Big Pharma into not using the natural remedies. Dr. Wright was not one of them.

Blessings,

Green Cochoa.
Posted By: vastergotland

Re: SWINE FLU - 09/19/09 07:22 PM

Ozone would be a poison in the lungs, and it probably is a poison to the virus, but what else does it destroy in its way through the blood vessels?
Posted By: gordonb1

Re: SWINE FLU - 09/19/09 08:26 PM

Originally Posted By: Suzanne
1918 Influenza: A Treatment That Worked


Thanks Suzanne,

Good info from Eleanora McBean. The Kellogg treatments make sense - proper elimination is vital to a strong immune system. Those already on a healthy regime will not require such measures to clear filth, etc. and may not be susceptible to flus and other plagues. But relatively few persons avoid the dainties of this world & so they are immune-compromised.

More interesting was another McBean article recounting "Typhoid Mary" who was claimed to be a "carrier" because she showed no symptoms of disease. T-Mary was locked away for 30 years as a threat to public health.

"Typhoid Mary" was never a Carrier:

http://www.whale.to/vaccine/typhoidmary.html

Some may find an end-time illustration in Mary's example.
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Posted By: vastergotland

Re: SWINE FLU - 09/19/09 08:54 PM

I wonder about the full cleaning of the colon. The vast bulk of those bacteria are necessary and useful for digestion and infection prevention. One reason for breastfeeding babeis is that this gives them the proper bacterial fauna, and one reason why cell poison treatment of cancer patients reduce the bodys defence capacity is that it kills off the intestinal bacterial flora.
Posted By: gordonb1

Re: SWINE FLU - 09/20/09 03:24 AM


A noteworthy article from Global Research with two recent videos:

Vaccine shot or Detention Camp? -

http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=15272

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Posted By: dedication

Re: SWINE FLU - 09/20/09 06:02 AM

If this is true --
IT IS TERRIBLE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Posted By: Elle

Re: SWINE FLU - 09/20/09 01:10 PM

Originally Posted By: dedication
If this is true --
IT IS TERRIBLE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I agree, it's also quite horrifying!
Posted By: Elle

Re: SWINE FLU - 09/20/09 01:37 PM

Originally Posted By: gordonb1
A noteworthy article from Global Research with two recent videos:
Vaccine shot or Detention Camp? -
http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=15272
Gordon would you consider that globalresearch.ca are trustworthy news people? Have you followed news there for awhile and found they are not dwelling on sensationalism to get themselves more popular?

If this is true, do you think this will be applicable also for Canada? Do they have a date somewhere publish.

Because of the limitation(no sound) of my computer, I almost didn't check out this link. However, I'm glad there was a write out also. I will bring here for the convenience of everyone what Globalresearch.ca has reported :

Originally Posted By: Global Research News
America: Police and Military Train To Intern Swine Flu Vaccine "Refusniks"

by Paul Joseph Watson
Global Research, September 18, 2009
Prison Planet - 2009-09-17

Law enforcement and military personnel are training to set up checkpoints in order to catch people who refuse to take the swine flu vaccination according to whistle blowers, while health authorities are laying the groundwork for a mass vaccination campaign by warning that serious and potentially deadly health problems will be blamed on the H1N1 vaccine.

In a You Tube video, a woman describing herself as a soldier explains how she was part of a drill in California centered around setting up roadblocks and checkpoints so authorities could check who has received the swine flu vaccine. Those who have had the shots will be fitted with an RFID bracelet so they can be tracked. Those who have not taken the shot will be offered it there and then and if they still refuse, will be carted off to an internment camp, according to the woman.

Watch the clip.

This individual needs to go public with her full name and position because she will already be known to authorities. By remaining anonymous to the public only, her testimony can be dismissed as just someone ranting on You Tube. However, her statements about tracking people who have taken the vaccine via RFID bracelets is something that has already been beta tested by health authorities.

Former Kansas state trooper Greg Evensen underscored this claim back in July. “Have you been made aware of the massive roadblock plans to stop all travelers for a vaccine bracelet (stainless steel band with a micro-chip on board) that will force you to take the shot?” Evensen wrote on July 29. “Refuse it? You will be placed on a prison bus and taken to a quarantine camp. What will you do when your children are NOT allowed into school without the shot? What will you do when you are not allowed into the workplace without the vaccine paperwork? Buy groceries? Go to the bank? Shop anywhere?? Get on a plane, bus or train? Use the toilet in the mall? Nope. Police officers will become loathed, feared, despised and remembered for their ‘official’ duties.”

Mr. Evensen made the following comment at an event in Texas:

Authorities in Boston have already trialed such technology, with the purpose of creating a “vaccination map” charting which people have taken the vaccine and which have not, or “creating a citywide registry of everyone who has had a flu vaccination,” as a Boston Globe article describes.

Participants were given a bracelet with a unique identifier code, exactly as described in the You Tube clip.


“Infectious disease specialists in Boston and elsewhere predicted that the registry approach could prove even more useful if something more sinister strikes: a bioterrorism attack or the long-feared arrival of a global flu epidemic. In such crises, the registry could be used to track who received a special vaccine or antidote to a deadly germ,” according to the article.

“Anything you can do to better pinpoint who’s vaccinated and who’s not, that’s absolutely vital,” said Michael Osterholm, director of the Center for Infectious Disease Research & Policy at the University of Minnesota. “I wish more cities were doing this kind of thing.”

While governments have publicly backed away from talk of mandatory mass vaccination programs, their actions behind closed doors indicate that they are preparing for a state of medical martial law.

An international swine fu conference held recently in Washington DC and attended by the world’s top health authorities featured workshops on enforced quarantines, mass vaccinations, and how to “control and diffuse social unrest and public disorder.” Individuals who attempted to gain access to the conference representing the media were turned away by officials at the conference.

As we reported earlier this month, a shocking internal document outlines the French government’s plan to impose a mass swine flu vaccination program on the entire population which would be focused around regional vaccination centers and would be carried out by H1N1 injection teams, completely bypassing medical establishments and GP’s.

Legislation has also been passed in the U.S. that would allow state vaccine teams to go door to door to conduction immunization “interventions” and look for people who have not taken the shot.

It is unclear how authorities plan to enforce any such mandatory vaccination campaign, especially in light of anecdotal evidence suggesting that a large majority of the public will refuse to take the shots. Polls taken in the UK indicate that a majority of nurses and other health workers, the primary targets for the first round of vaccinations, will refuse to be vaccinated.

It is likely that threats, intimidation and removal of rights and conveniences will force most holdouts to take the shot. Once governments start imposing quarantines and travel bans on people for not taking the shot, a sizeable number are likely to acquiesce.

Since the dangerous ingredients that will be included in the H1N1 shots became known to the public, opposition to proposed mass vaccination programs has snowballed.

As we have previously documented, the swine flu vaccine was rushed through safety procedures while governments have provided pharmaceutical companies with blanket immunity from lawsuits arriving out of the vaccine causing deaths and injuries.

It was previously revealed that some batches of the vaccine will contain mercury, a toxin linked with autism and neurological disorders. The vaccine will also contain the dangerous ingredient squalene, which has been directly linked with cases of Gulf War Syndrome and a host of other debilitating diseases.

It was also recently reported that the UK government sent a confidential letter to senior neurologists telling them to be on the alert for cases of a brain disorder called Guillain-Barre Syndrome (GBS), which could be triggered by the vaccine. The CDC in America replicated this warning weeks later.

As a result of the dangers of the vaccine becoming widely known, authorities are moving to get out ahead of the story by acknowledging that millions of health problems in the aftermath of a vaccination campaign will be blamed on the vaccine, citing the 1976 swine flu debacle when the shot proved far deadlier than the actual virus.

Reuters reports that public health officials, “Expect an avalanche of so-called adverse event reports, which are reports of death, illness or other health trauma that occur within two weeks after receiving treatment — in this case, the swine flu vaccine,” in reaction to an estimated “one million heart attacks, 700,000 strokes and 900,000 miscarriages.”

“We are going to be overwhelmed with potential events,” said Mike Osterholm, a public health expert at the University of Minnesota.

By coming out early and claiming that these problems would have occurred without the swine flu vaccine anyway, authorities are creating plausible deniability for when side-effects from the shot begin to appear.

A number of factors now indicate that authorities in both America and Europe are not only preparing mass vaccination programs, but are also training law enforcement and military assets on how to deal with those who refuse to take the shot. Given the fact that around 150 million Americans own guns and would be prepared to use them to defend their families against police and troops forcibly jabbing needles into them, it seems unlikely that health authorities in the U.S. will go down this route. However, by implementing travel bans, school bans and other forms of general quarantine, a good number of those refusniks may eventually be intimidated into taking the dangerous shot.

But a good number of them will stand firm – and that’s probably where the internment camps and martial law will come into play.

Only by diffusing the rampant hype behind the relatively harmless swine flu virus and re-affirming our right to reject enforced medical procedures conducted against our will under the Nuremberg code will the swine flu hoax, which is being used by governments as a smokescreen to accelerate and implement the police state, be defeated.

Paul Joseph Watson is a frequent contributor to Global Research. Global Research Articles by Paul Joseph Watson


If this is true, then they are prototyping mass control and will use this to subdue people and prepare everyone for the bigger shock --- the Fascist system in the New World Order.

Wow! This is coming quite fast.
Posted By: vastergotland

Re: SWINE FLU - 09/20/09 04:02 PM

I find this doubtful for the following reason. Why would such a "have been vaccinated" bracelett be given in roadblocks by the police rather than by the physician who gives the shot? It makes no sense to have police do at roadblocks what is much easier accomplished in other ways.
Posted By: Elle

Re: SWINE FLU - 09/20/09 05:40 PM

Originally Posted By: västergötland
I find this doubtful for the following reason. Why would such a "have been vaccinated" bracelett be given in roadblocks by the police rather than by the physician who gives the shot? It makes no sense to have police do at roadblocks what is much easier accomplished in other ways.
Vaster, if I understand the article correctly, the road blocks are only one method to check if people went to the doctors or to the health clinics to get their vaccination. The article also talk about going door to door as another measure to make sure every one has been complying to the enforced vaccination.
Posted By: vastergotland

Re: SWINE FLU - 09/20/09 06:08 PM

Where these methods not planned in different places? Roadblocks in some states while door to door vaccinations in other states?

A further question though is, why is one vaccination seen as such a groundbreaking event that it would cause the police state to be founded?
Posted By: vastergotland

Re: SWINE FLU - 09/20/09 06:21 PM

To add a conspiration theory to the bulk already in this thread, what if this article above was leaked from the authorities in order to occupy any rightly inclined and keep them in fear?
Posted By: dedication

Re: SWINE FLU - 09/21/09 04:20 AM

What is truth and what is fiction?
There are horror stories a plenty out there!

Intentional Contamination of Vaccine as means of mass Genocide!

Quote:
"Ferrets in a Czech Republic laboratory helped ferret out the crime when suspecting Czech officials tested the Baxter vaccine on the poor animals. When the ferrets freaked out and died, the officials sent the vaccines to laboratories for testing. The lab results proved the astonishing fact that Baxter had laced the vaccines with a deadly virus, a Biological Weapon of Mass Destruction.

Baxter mixed the deadly H5N1 virus with a mix of H3N2 seasonal flu viruses creating an extraordinary deadly super-airborne biological weapon. The mixing of viruses in laboratory terms is called 'reassortment'. Reassortment is one of two ways pandemic viruses are created, especially when an animal strain is mixed with a human strain. The BWMD in the disguise of a regular Flu Vaccine was distributed to 18 Countries and is likely to have been distributed throughout the USA.

"


U-tube
Posted By: gordonb1

Re: SWINE FLU - 09/21/09 05:02 AM

Originally Posted By: Elle
Gordon would you consider that globalresearch.ca are trustworthy news people? Have you followed news there for awhile and found they are not dwelling on sensationalism to get themselves more popular?

If this is true, do you think this will be applicable also for Canada? Do they have a date somewhere publish.


Hello Elle,

As we know, only God has the whole Truth, but the children of this world are often wiser than the children of light (Luke 16:8). Much prophecy is fulfilling, but only smooth things are heard from the pulpit.

Is Global Research a trustworthy news source? It publishes a diverse collection of articles from around the world relating to current events. As always, caveat emptor - buyer beware.

Last year on March 15th, 2008, I wrote here "Very soon, before the close of 2008, there will be massive upheaval in the global financial market."
(http://www.maritime-sda-online.com/forum...96959#Post96959)

Since I'm not viewing Wall Street from my corner office, my sources are those like Global Research. Both Canada's Prime Minister and Finance Minister said they "had no warning". And many a doubting Thomas was quick to ridicule any notion of a global freeze. But Sept 2008 was a mighty crash and the situation continues to erode, despite government spin. Millions have since lost their homes, unemployment & debt escalate.

Canada: Certainly, many of Canada's programs will follow the U.S. Our police and army have been integrating with American counterparts (Dept. of Homeland Security) for several years, especially in the area of civil disaster and counter-terrorism.

The timetable is really up to the pharmaceutical (vaccine) companies as far as one can see. The health threat from H1N1 seems negligible, (many reports claim this is a manufactured plague - and so God may have intervened to switch off our H1N1 receptor gene) and the main pushers of the hype are government agencies and their lobbyists, the pharma giants. When they have the vaccine ready for shipment, that's when the program will take place. It's all about the love of money. Can you think of a better secular business plan?
Influence the government to sell your product to every single citizen. Under force of law if necessary. Brilliant and very profitable. A real coup!

Unfortunately there will be side effects. In the 1976 swine flu vaccine program in the U.S., hundreds were paralyzed with Guillan-Barré syndrome. More were hurt by the vaccine than by the flu itself.

So pray for the police, soldiers and health care workers who may be unwittingly forced (by their position) to administer harmful vaccine cocktails.

Those hardest hit by H1N1 seem to be immuno-compromised individuals, like our native peoples in their forced relocation camps. So the solution is NEWSTART and a return to simple living.

But yes, it's coming quite fast. Where are the watchmen?

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Posted By: vastergotland

Re: SWINE FLU - 09/21/09 07:46 AM

Originally Posted By: gordonb1

Hello Elle,

As we know, only God has the whole Truth, but the children of this world are often wiser than the children of light (Luke 16:8). Much prophecy is fulfilling, but only smooth things are heard from the pulpit.

Is Global Research a trustworthy news source? It publishes a diverse collection of articles from around the world relating to current events. As always, caveat emptor - buyer beware.

Last year on March 15th, 2008, I wrote here "Very soon, before the close of 2008, there will be massive upheaval in the global financial market."
(http://www.maritime-sda-online.com/forum...96959#Post96959)

Since I'm not viewing Wall Street from my corner office, my sources are those like Global Research. Both Canada's Prime Minister and Finance Minister said they "had no warning". And many a doubting Thomas was quick to ridicule any notion of a global freeze. But Sept 2008 was a mighty crash and the situation continues to erode, despite government spin. Millions have since lost their homes, unemployment & debt escalate.
The core of things you prophecied in that post have yet to manifest themselves as we speak.
Quote:

Canada: Certainly, many of Canada's programs will follow the U.S. Our police and army have been integrating with American counterparts (Dept. of Homeland Security) for several years, especially in the area of civil disaster and counter-terrorism.

The timetable is really up to the pharmaceutical (vaccine) companies as far as one can see. The health threat from H1N1 seems negligible, (many reports claim this is a manufactured plague - and so God may have intervened to switch off our H1N1 receptor gene) and the main pushers of the hype are government agencies and their lobbyists, the pharma giants. When they have the vaccine ready for shipment, that's when the program will take place. It's all about the love of money. Can you think of a better secular business plan?
Influence the government to sell your product to every single citizen. Under force of law if necessary. Brilliant and very profitable. A real coup!

Unfortunately there will be side effects. In the 1976 swine flu vaccine program in the U.S., hundreds were paralyzed with Guillan-Barré syndrome. More were hurt by the vaccine than by the flu itself.

So pray for the police, soldiers and health care workers who may be unwittingly forced (by their position) to administer harmful vaccine cocktails.

Those hardest hit by H1N1 seem to be immuno-compromised individuals, like our native peoples in their forced relocation camps. So the solution is NEWSTART and a return to simple living.

But yes, it's coming quite fast. Where are the watchmen?

_____________


Posted By: dedication

Re: SWINE FLU - 09/22/09 04:10 AM

Whether it's a real threat, an engineered threat or whatever

there is one thing that seems important --

EGW wrote "OUT OF THE CITIES"
it appears those who follow that counsel and don't go traveling to the cities in the next couple months have a decided advantage.
Posted By: gordonb1

Re: SWINE FLU - 09/23/09 06:46 PM


Unannounced innoculations in New York State:

http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=15345
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Posted By: vastergotland

Re: SWINE FLU - 09/23/09 07:01 PM

Originally Posted By: dedication
Whether it's a real threat, an engineered threat or whatever

there is one thing that seems important --

EGW wrote "OUT OF THE CITIES"
it appears those who follow that counsel and don't go traveling to the cities in the next couple months have a decided advantage.

We will see..

(if all adventist follow that advice, who will then preach the 3 angles message to the great majority of the worlds people who live in cities?)
Posted By: crater

Re: SWINE FLU - 09/24/09 07:04 AM

Originally Posted By: västergötland
Originally Posted By: dedication
Whether it's a real threat, an engineered threat or whatever

there is one thing that seems important --

EGW wrote "OUT OF THE CITIES"
it appears those who follow that counsel and don't go traveling to the cities in the next couple months have a decided advantage.

We will see..

(if all adventist follow that advice, who will then preach the 3 angles message to the great majority of the worlds people who live in cities?)

västergötland,

If this is something you wish to discuss further, the topic of "who will preach to the cities", I suggest you start another forum page to do so.

Thank you. Crater
Posted By: crater

Re: SWINE FLU - 09/24/09 07:22 AM

When I was in school you had to have a note from the parent in order to receive a vaccine of any type. Wonder if kids will be given vaccine without permission?

I have never taken a flu vaccine myself, but have given the injections. Always asked if the person was allergic to chicken, feathers, or eggs.

The elderly are always encouraged to get the "flu shot". A thought that has entered my mind on more then one occasion is that if a government wanted to get rid on an aging population, adding something to a mass vaccination program would be the way to go. crazy
Posted By: crater

Re: SWINE FLU - 09/24/09 09:52 AM

An important thing to remember with colds and flu is to keep the person well hydrated. Young children are especially susceptible to dehydration.

There is a new product being marked to replace sports drinks for athlelets that is suppose to help with hydration. Reddrox
Quote:
Naturally caffeine-free REDDROX is the perfect beverage for everyday consumption, and can be enjoyed in unlimited quantities. It is also low in tannin, a substance that affects the body's metabolism by interfering with its ability to absorb iron and protein.

REDDROX provides antioxidant protection because it's rich in flavonoids and polyphenols. It hydrates the body on a cellular level, which will slowly rid the body of toxins and allow your cells to be replenished by clean and clear fluids.

Its high mineral and polyphenol content helps to maintain healthy skin, teeth, bones and metabolic processes. REDDROX is the ideal choice for people of all ages and from every walk of life. And it has zero calories, so it can aid in weight loss!

REDDROX is a great thirst quencher and is an excellent beverage for active people, including children.

This tea contains no oxalic acid, making it a good beverage for people prone to kidney stones. REDDROX contains the minerals, copper, iron and potassium, calcium, fluoride, zinc and manganese. Alpha-hydroxy (for healthy skin) and magnesium (for the nervous system) are also components of this drink. In South Africa, pregnant women and nursing mothers drink Red Bush (REDDROX) because it contains no caffeine.

Naturally caffeine free
Low caloric content
No artificial flavoring
Contains no additives, preservatives or colorants
No oxalic acid
High in antioxidants
Contains essential minerals
Natural electrolytes
Very low in tannins, which have a negative impact on iron absorption
Trace Minerals

Potassium
Calcium
Zinc
Manganese
Iron
Plant sodium
Copper
Magnesium
This is product marketed as Reddrox, and comes in a packet that you add to 18-24 oz. of room temperature water, shake, and watch REDDROX dissolve. You can also purchase in the liquid form in a bottle. I haven't tried it in these forms, but can see how they would be handy to have on hand when you don't want to a wait for a brewing of Rooibos that have been drinking off and on this past summer. I seemed to have more energy when I drink it.
Posted By: Colin

Re: SWINE FLU - 09/24/09 05:30 PM

Thanks, Crater, for that news break on Reddrox.

I grew up on Rooibos (just in case...: pronounced "roy-boss", with the "o" as in "or" and "oar") tea, as am South African by birth, and still swear by it after being in the UK, land of half my ancesters, for 20 years now. Rooibos is Afrikaans, for Redbush, if that wasn't obvious already. wink

Rooibos isn't automatically liked round the world, because of its very mild peppermint aftertaste, I've been told personally. Yes, it is brilliant, and an SDA staple in SA, as well as in England. I thought of Rooibos when It's indigenous to the Western Cape, too, if that isn't well known here, yet, and was used by the tribal folk there before white immigrants arrived and took up the habit, a healthy habit.

Two very small facts, on the side - since my last line there would possibly have raised ire against us Afrikaners (that's the other half of my ancestry) for our collective, recent 'past': the tribes of SA, that's all the blacks - there is no ethnic majority in SA - immigrated to SA at most 150-200 years or so before the whites came 'to town', in 1652. Also, the fact that Afrikaans is the leading language in Nambia, too, is down to the first black migrants, not the whites, there.

I'm angered by the suppression round the world of South African culinary inventions and exports while the white government produced the best standard of living for blacks in all of Africa. That's not as bad politics, though, as the current support for the marxist ANC: South Africa's Christian heritage is being suppressed, now..., but at least some good keeps moving, like Rooibos being exported more and more.

Incidentally, on the ground, life is happy and prosperous in SA, since crime only tries to break in to prosperous areas but generally stays away: life is normal unless you're in the wrong place at the wrong time, for 5-10 seconds.

It's very good to be reminded of Rooibos' nutritional qualities, too.
Posted By: Rosangela

Re: SWINE FLU - 09/24/09 08:44 PM

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There is a new product being marked to replace sports drinks for athlelets that is suppose to help with hydration. Reddrox

Our natural hydrating drink here is coconut water, also marketed as a sports drink because of its high potassium and mineral content.
Posted By: vastergotland

Re: SWINE FLU - 09/24/09 10:25 PM

Originally Posted By: Rosangela
Quote:
There is a new product being marked to replace sports drinks for athlelets that is suppose to help with hydration. Reddrox

Our natural hydrating drink here is coconut water, also marketed as a sports drink because of its high potassium and mineral content.
Coconut water would be a health drink by the principle that if it is natural and taste bad, it must be healthy. :P
Posted By: Rosangela

Re: SWINE FLU - 09/25/09 08:24 PM

Didn't you like the taste? As the Wiki article said, it is the second best-selling juice here in Brazil after orange juice.
Posted By: vastergotland

Re: SWINE FLU - 09/25/09 08:30 PM

Not the coconut water I had in Thailand, although I heard from fellow travelers that it taste better in other parts of the world. Maybe the taste changes depending on the particular coconut species and other factors that may play in. Also, it is likely that it is an aquired taste.
Posted By: crater

Re: SWINE FLU - 09/26/09 06:26 PM

I have tried the coconut water from Thai coconut that can be purchased in the grocery store and didn't much care for the taste. I will give it another try sometime and see if it is any better.
Posted By: Rosangela

Re: SWINE FLU - 09/26/09 07:40 PM

The Wiki article says that coconuts from various parts of the world differ in taste due to the soil composition.
Interesting. It also says:

"Coconut water is also used as an intravenous fluid in some developing countries where medical saline is unavailable."

I'd never heard about that.

The article mentions the Vita Coco brand in the US. Is that the one you tried, crater? It's funny they flavorize the coconut water, as mentioned here. So it's possible the natural taste of coconut water wouldn't be attractive to people there. They have attained annual sales of $30–35 million as of August 2009.

Posted By: crater

Re: SWINE FLU - 09/26/09 08:36 PM

When I was purchasing the Rooibos, the gal at the herb shop introduced me to another SA herb, Honeybush(Cyclopia Intermedia) and I purchased an ounce to try. She said it was similar the Rooibos but sweeter. I liked them both.

Colin I never noticed a minty after taste after with the Rooibos.

It is nice to hear first hand info from those that have been to where the plants actually grow.

There use to be a tea that you could purchase at ABC or a SDA health food store. It was called Kaffir tea. It may have gone out of use as it may have been considered PIC to call something Kafir ? I found two items called Kafir tea on the web.

1. Kafir, lime leaves, Daun Jeruk Purut. (I don't recall Kafir tea tasting citrus like?)

2. Tjanelo, n pl. ama (From tjanela.) A kind used for sweeping for a broom; usually a plant like asparagus, or the so-called Kafir tea plant. A Zulu Kafir dictionary

I don't want to get to far off the forum discussion but as the SA teas are being discussed this might be of interest those interested in SDA trivia. smile

A while back I did a search as I wanted to find out what the ingredient was in Kafir tea. I never found out what it is, but I found an article where the author was describing his trip to Battle Creek, MI and drinking Kafir tea at the "San". Apparently he knew what Kafir tea should taste like? As I started reading, I thought this person knows how to write. I looked to see who the author was and discovered it to be Rudyard Kipling. If you are inclined here is the whole article about the The Curious City of Battle Creek. Otherwise here is a clipping from the article.

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The principal street of Battle Creek may be with-out amazing architectural beauty, but it is at least well lighted. On either curb is a row of "boulevard lights," the posts set fifty feet apart. They are good-looking posts, too, of simple, graceful design, each surmounted by a cluster of five white globes. This admirable system of lighting is in very general use throughout all parts of the country excepting the East. It is used in all the Michigan cities I visited. I have been told that it was first installed in Minneapolis, but wherever it originated, it is one of a long list of things the East may learn from the West.

After driving about for a time we drew up. Looking out, I came to the conclusion that we had returned again to the railway station.

It was a station, but not the same one.

"This is the Grand Trunk Deepo," said the driver, opening the carriage door.

"I don't believe we'll bother to get out," I said. But the driver wanted us to.

"You ought to look at it," he insisted. "It's a very pretty station."

So we got out and looked at it, and were glad we did, for the driver was quite right. It was an unusually pretty station—a station superior to the other in all respects but one : it contained no Miss Daisy Buck.

After some further driving, we returned to the station where she was.

"I suppose we had better go to the Sanitarium for lunch?" I asked her.

"Not on your life," she replied. "If you go to the `San,' you won't feel like you 'd had anything to eat—that is, not if you 're good feeders."

"Where else is there to go ?" I asked.

"The Tavern," she advised. "You '11 get a first-class dinner there. You might have larger hotels in New York, but you have n't got any that 's more home-like. At least, that 's what I hear. I never was in New York myself, but I get the dope from the traveling men."

However, not for epicurean reasons, but because of curiosity, we wished to try a meal at the Sanitarium. Thither we drove in the hack, passing on our way the office of the "Good Health Publishing Company" and a small building bearing the sign, "The Coffee Parlor"—which may signify a Battle Creek substitute for a saloon. I do not know how coffee drinkers are regarded in that town, but I do know that, while there, I got neither tea nor coffee—unless "Postum" be coffee and "Kaffir Tea" be tea.

It was at the Sanitarium that I drank Kaffir Tea. I had it with my lunch. It looks like tea, and would probably taste like it, too, if they did n't let the Kaffirs steep so long. But they should use only fresh, young, tender Kaffirs; the old ones get too strong; they have too much bouquet. The one they used in my tea may have been slightly spoiled. I tasted him all afternoon.

The "San" is an enormous brick building like a vast summer hotel. It has an office which is utterly hotel-like, too, even to the chairs, scattered about, and the people sitting in them. Many of the people look perfectly well. Indeed, I saw one young woman who looked so well that I could n't take my eyes off from her while she remained in view. She was in the elevator when we went up to lunch. She looked at me with a speculative eye—a most engaging eye, it was—as though saying to herself : "Now there 's a promising young man. I might make it interesting for him if he would stay here for a while. But of course he 'd have to show me a physician's certificate stating that he was not subject to fits." My companion said that she looked at him a long while, too, but I doubt that. He was always claiming that they looked at him.

The people who run the Sanitarium are Seventh-Day Adventists, and as we arrived on Saturday it was the Sabbath there—a rather busy day, I take it, from the bulletin which was printed upon the back of the dinner menu :

7.20 A. M. Morning Worship in the Parlor.
7.40 to 8.40 A. M. BREAKFAST.
9.45 A. M. Sabbath School in the Chapel.
11 A. M. Preaching Service in the Chapel.
12.30 to 2 P. M. DINNER.
3.30 P. M. Missionary talk.
5.30 to 6 P. M. Cashier's office open.
6 to 6.45 P. M. SUPPER.
6.45 P. M. March for guests and patients only.
8 P. M. In the Gymnasium. Basket Ball Game. Admission 25 cents.
No food to be taken from the Dining Room,

The last injunction was not disobeyed by us. We ate enough to satisfy our curiosity, and what we did not eat we left.

The menu at the Sanitarium is a curious thing. After each item are figures showing the proportion of proteins, fats, and carbohydrates contained in that article of food. Everything is weighed out exactly. There was no meat on the bill of fare, but substitutes were provided in the list of entrees: "Protose with Mayonnaise Dressing," "Nuttolene with Cranberry Sauce," and "Walnut Roast."

Suppose you had to decide between those three which would you take?

My companion took "Protose," while I elected for some reason to dally with the "Nuttolene." Then, neither of us liking what we got, we both tried "Walnut Roast." Even then we would not give up. I ordered a little "Malt Honey," while my companion called for a baked potato, saying: "I know what a potato is, anyhow!"

After that we had a little "Toasted Granose" and "Good Health Biscuit," washed down in my case by a gulp or two of "Kaffir Tea," and in his by "Hot Malted Nuts." I tried to get him to take "Kaffir Tea" with me, but, being to leeward of my cup, he declined. As nearly as we could figure it out afterward, he was far ahead of me in proteins and fats, but I was infinitely richer in carbohydrates. In our indigestions we stood absolutely even.
Posted By: crater

Re: SWINE FLU - 09/26/09 08:42 PM

I think that I have heard about the coconut water being used IV. Could have been during WWII?

I tried the real thing, purchased a young coconut and opened it up and use the juice in a smoothie. Scrapped out the meat for something else.

Have you tried it Rosangela?

Seems like it would be the drink of choice over water in some areas, where water was questionable.
Posted By: vastergotland

Re: SWINE FLU - 09/26/09 09:25 PM

"In our indigestions we stood absolutely even."... LOL Healthy food indeed.
Posted By: Green Cochoa

Re: SWINE FLU - 09/27/09 02:52 AM

Originally Posted By: västergötland
Not the coconut water I had in Thailand, although I heard from fellow travelers that it taste better in other parts of the world. Maybe the taste changes depending on the particular coconut species and other factors that may play in. Also, it is likely that it is an aquired taste.

I'll agree that Thai coconut water has been less tasty for me as well. The best I've had was in Belize. It may be the coconuts are different, as Rosangela has mentioned, but I think it has more to do with knowing when and how to harvest the coconuts.

Thai people are impatient. They pick most everything green. I question whether or not they would know the best time to pick a coconut. smile

Blessings,

Green Cochoa.
Posted By: Rosangela

Re: SWINE FLU - 09/27/09 02:55 AM

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I tried the real thing, purchased a young coconut and opened it up and use the juice in a smoothie.

Hi crater. What do you mean by smoothie? That you've mixed it with something?

Quote:
Scrapped out the meat for something else.

If the coconut is very young and the meat is still like a gel, I just eat it after I drink the water. I find it delicious!
Posted By: Rosangela

Re: SWINE FLU - 09/27/09 03:03 AM

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Thai people are impatient. They pick most everything green. I question whether or not they would know the best time to pick a coconut.

My husband said that if the coconut is picked too green, the water will not be sweet enough. There is really a right time to pick a coconut.
Posted By: crater

Re: SWINE FLU - 09/27/09 07:46 PM

Originally Posted By: Rosangela
Quote:
I tried the real thing, purchased a young coconut and opened it up and use the juice in a smoothie.

Hi crater. What do you mean by smoothie? That you've mixed it with something?

Quote:
Scrapped out the meat for something else.

If the coconut is very young and the meat is still like a gel, I just eat it after I drink the water. I find it delicious!

A smoothie is made in a blender or a food processor. What I typically make is a blueberry smoothie, (bananas, blueberries, and orange juice) The bananas give it some creaminess, the blueberries are frozen, the juice helps to thin it out in the blending and gives flavor and sweetness. A natural sweetener can be added if so inclined. This is what I make and I just through things in and blend. Another one that I make and is more of a protein drink; is soy milk, carob powder, nut butter and frozen banana.

I have to confess that I don't make them all that often. My husband complains that I don't make blueberry smoothies often enough! grin A smoothie is nice food when you have a sore throat or had dental work.

Smoothies have gone pretty mainstream on the West Coast. We have drive up coffee stands and they have smoothies. The ones that they make usually don't have bananas' in them and are more icy then what I make. They may have sugar or HFC too. I suppose it means different things to different people, but like the name implies, its a smooth blended fruit drink and it depends who is making it what it will have in it. grin

I think I use the meat for a "ice cream". People make some kind of "raw / living noodle from the meat.
Posted By: kland

Re: SWINE FLU - 09/28/09 05:29 PM

Originally Posted By: Rosangela
The Wiki article says that coconuts from various parts of the world differ in taste due to the soil composition.
Interesting.

It's true it did say that. It also said, "Coconuts from various parts of the world also differ in taste", which doesn't necessarily negate the other, but it could.

Is the Wiki statement reasonable? For it to be true, there would need to be an underlying assumption that all coconuts grown on the same soil tastes the same, or that if there were variety differences, different places grow the same variety.

I have heard people say fruits grown in different soils taste different. I have also heard people say fruits grown on poor soil don't have as much nutrients as those grown on good soil. I also have heard it said that those trees growing on poor soil will produce fruit with just as much nutrients as those grown on good soil, just that there may be very few fruits or no fruits. But, then I have heard that toxic plants grown on soils with high arsenic levels contain more than those grown on soils with lower arsenic levels.

However, it would be my educated guess that the growing environments (and the culture and breeding programs) of India, Brazil, and Bangladesh are different enough that each country has it's own varieties of coconuts that taste much different. Just ask someone to compare Florida oranges to California oranges.
Posted By: gordonb1

Re: SWINE FLU - 09/29/09 01:04 AM


Knock, knock.

Who's there?

Swine.

Swine who?

Swine Flu or Swine Smoothie - We're not sure?? dunno
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Posted By: crater

Re: SWINE FLU - 09/29/09 10:52 AM

Lets see if we can segue back to the subject? grin

I was going through town today and stopped and had a Zola Smoothie! They are high in antioxidants, and completely organic. Zola contains: Açai, Acerola, Caja, Cupuaçu & Graviola from Brazil. (It might be fun to have a forum page on foods from various counties?)

We were heading to the mountains to pick Elderberries to make syrup and tincture for treating flu symptoms.
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Elderberry supposedly blocks hemagluttination-meaning it blocks the binding of the flu viron because it binds to the hemagluttin which keeps it from being able to pierce a host cell and replicating. Elderberry doesn’t keep you from getting the flu, but it does decrease the replication of the virus, thus allowing your own immune system time to fight back. There is a concern of cytokine storm with avian flu and possibly this new swine flu. Elderberry can stimulate cytokine production. It’s a catch-22. However, the thought is if you get the elderberry on board fast enough and take anti-inflammatory antioxidants (such as high dose Vitamin C and turmeric), you can stave off the replication of virus before you have to worry about the pnemonia/respiratory failure and cytokine storm in the lungs. http://www.kristiemcnealy.com/elderberry-extract-sambucol-fights-flu/

I am stocked up on turmeric, active ingredient being curcumin.

Ginger root is said to suppress the production of inflammatory cytokines.
Posted By: Elle

Re: SWINE FLU - 09/29/09 02:16 PM

Hi Crater,

Tx for sharing about Elderberries and Tumeric. Isn't it wonderful that God has put loads of anti-oxidant in many many many simple foods like carrots, squash, berries,etc.... If we just eat lots of Veges and fruit, we are already loaded with anti-oxidants without even knowing it.

Crater, I know you know what I'm going to say below. I just want to remind us all, including myself, by putting the emphasis and our faith in the simplicity of our health message. Let's be careful that when we seek out the "potent foods", to always balance it with where our body really pulls it's strenght.

Our best safeguard against Swine Viruses and any other bugs, or any chemicals that we are bombarded daily, and evenmore, the load of stresses that we have today daily, plus the immeasurable stressors that will come by living through the end time persecution; is nothing but what we already know : NEWSTART

It is accessbible to all, most is free, it is simple, it is part of God's design for all. And the last "T"(Trust) in NEWSTART is the most powerful anti-oxidant of all. Just being under stress, your body produces loads of free-radicals.

NEWSTART (or Trusting in God and enjoying life and the foods as he created them) should be our focuss and our rest of mind. That's what we need to remember, to emphasy, and promote to others. By elevating certain foods, we confuse the matter and make people feel that if they don't have certain potent foods or that, then they are at risk.

It's ok to know about some plants and potent foods, as it can benefit us to care for the sick, however, we need to be very careful not to elevate them above NEWSTART. We need to be mindfull of humans strong inclination to worship idols. We want to point our sick to God's wisdom, His provision, and His love.
Posted By: gordonb1

Re: SWINE FLU - 09/30/09 08:26 AM


Agreed Elle. We need to set our houses in order. Then minds will be clear to hear God's voice. Single source 'boosters-as-medicine' - echinacea, garlic, cayenne, turmeric, goji, acai - could be lifesaving for sick patients, along with charcoal, enemas, h&c treatments. But they are not the best way nor the simplest. Adhering to NEWSTART principles is the plan we have been given. Minimal intervention should be necessary for those following the light.

Note that those with weakened immune systems seem most susceptible to H1N1 Flu - such as the overcrowded native peoples on Canadian reservations... if the gov't. reports are accurate and truthful.

Super potent foods and vitamins are available to the rich - Like us with computers and cars. But if they were necessary for health, it would be an injustice to the millions who can never buy them.

If we voluntarily accept innoculation by unclean and infectious agents, we put ourselves at risk.
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Posted By: gordonb1

Re: SWINE FLU - 09/30/09 09:39 AM


Last week Global Research.ca hosted a lecture in Montreal addressing the swine flu "pandemic". Featured was a well spoken M.D. from the U. de Montréal who cited numerous WHO reports, illustrating that risks were low, and threats greatly overblown. (Total deaths worldwide, about 4000; low compared with seasonal flu and other common illnesses - Note: Canada has ordered 50 million H1N1 vaccine doses. Population: 33 million). The talk will soon be online, but alas, French only. Question period was vigorous, but one visitor stole the floor.

He reported a recent press conference by Verichip Corp., (the Florida RFID company) which is developing an implantable chip to detect H1N1 and other pathogens, a "Triage Detection System" to indicate one's condition wirelessly. Also online: an implantable glucose sensor for diabetics.

Endless possibilities.

Verichip: http://www.verichipcorp.com/
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Posted By: crater

Re: SWINE FLU - 09/30/09 11:48 AM

Elle & Gordon, by sharing about special herbs and fruits in this forum, no one is attempting to elevate anything above anything else. There is no worship of the things involved. The 8 / 10 laws of health are pretty much a given.

As Jim Brackett said on Weimar tv. All fruits and vegetables have antioxidants. Some are higher then others.

Some fruits, vegetables, and herbs have more of a particular substance that help in healing a certain part of the body, e.g.. hawthorne berries for the heart.

One thing about some of the wild fruits and herbs is that they haven't been altered by man. So much of our food supply is being genetically altered, radiated, and who knows what else. Many of us have inherited weaknesses, perhaps do to our own and or our parents, and or our grandparents life style.

I believe that Suzanne shared early on in this forum http://www.maritime-sda-online.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=119905&page=3 #119446
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1918 Influenza: A Treatment That Worked

At least 20 million people died in the 1918 influenza epidemic and Eleanora McBean, Ph.D., N.D. tells us something pretty interesting about it. Drug-oriented medical doctors and hospitals, she tells us, "were losing 33% of their flu cases," while "non-medical hospitals such Battle Creek, Kellogg and MacFadden's Health Restorium were getting almost 100% healings."

I believe that much of their success was in following the 8 / 10 laws of health, but as I believe västergötland pointed out they tend to be labor intensive. Who has the time? No one wants to take the time? Here are a few thing to think about. There are not to many people trained in these skills, are you? Do you know how to preform water treatments? Perhaps you have learned these skills, but what if you are ill, who will help to preform them for you? I have these skills, but who would preform them if I needed assistance?

There are a number of practitioners of natural healing that advocate the 8 / 10 laws of health or if you want to trademark it as NEWSTART.

Dr. Rob McClintock is who I first heard of the use of Sambucus Niger Extract (Elderberry) as a tool in fighting viral attacks. He has a Healing Leaves Ministry that is supported by a line of health products that are vegan and have scientific principles for their use. One product in particular would be helpful for viral attacks to the immune system. Immuno-plex AV The product contains
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Beta 1,3-D glucan, Manapol Powder, Arabinogalactin, Astragalus, Lactobacillus, Sporogense, Sambucus Niger 30% Extract (Elderberry), Red Wine Extract, Resveratrol, Fibersol 2TM
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Immuno-plex AV has all the same ingredients as original Immuno-plex with the addition of a 30% Anthocyanin extract from the Sambucous Niger plant. This extract has published scientific evidence of being a very effective anti-viral agent. With all the emerging new viral diseases, thank God for this great tool! Each viral particle has spikes on its surface which are coated with an enzyme called neuroaminidase. These spikes are used to rip holes in your cell walls to harvest your RNA to use during viral replication. Anthocyanin extract neutralizes the neuroamnidase and effectively halts viral replication. Immuno-plex AV also contains grape based polyphenols and ResveratrolTM which work synergistically with anthocyanins to increase effect!


It was Agatha Thrash M.D. on 3abn that I heard to the use of Turmeric as a gargle for sore throat.

Uchee Pines Institute has Counseling Sheet; here are some herbs recommended on it. The Immune System - How to Strengthen it.
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4. Teas (Antimicrobial)- (These teas should be taken continuously by those having a serious chronic disease.)
(a) Echinacea and Chaparral. Echinacea strengthens the immune system and Chaparral is an antibiotic. Put one heaping tablespoon of Echinacea in one quart of boiling water and boil gently for 30 minutes. Turn the flame off and add 2 tablespoons of Chaparral. Let this mixture steep for 15 minutes. Drink one cup first thing in the morning and finish the remainder of the quart throughout the day. This is one day’s dose. You must make the teas fresh daily; they lose their potency after 24 hours.
(b) Pau d’ Arco, Blue Violet and Red Clover. These herbs strengthen the immune system and cleanse the blood. Add 3 tablespoons of Pau d’ Arco to one quart of boiling water and boil gently for 15 minutes. Turn flame off, add 2 tablespoons of Blue Violet and 2 tablespoons of Red Clover to the Pau d’ Arco and let the mixture steep for 15 minutes.
(c) Do not use sweeteners in your teas. Though they are medicinal and may not appeal to your taste, the herbs were given to us by our Creator for healing. Drink them faithfully!
(d) Golden Seal and Aloe Vera may be used.
(e) Consider the herb teas as part of your 8-10 cups of daily water intake.
(f) The herb teas should be continued after the fever treatments stop. 7. Use of garlic: 4 capsules, 8 tablets or one to two fresh cloves taken 3 times daily at mealtimes.

8. Give a 3-week course of zinc supplementation, 15 mg. per day.

Dr. Neil Nedley has suggested Resveratrol can be taken when first exposed to flu or cold and will help prevent or decrease the amount of time ill.

You see some of the natural practitioners do advocate the 8 / 10 laws of health, as well as the use of herbs, fruits, supplements etc.

We need to be educated to help our community, friends, loved ones, as well as ourselves. If you would like education on medical ministry check into having Rob McClintock come to your church and do a 60 - 120 hour class. Or just purchase his dvd, just check out his website as given above.

Lets continue to share our knowlege, who knows who it might help?

Keep well. smile
Posted By: Elle

Re: SWINE FLU - 09/30/09 03:08 PM

Originally Posted By: crater
Elle & Gordon, by sharing about special herbs and fruits in this forum, no one is attempting to elevate anything above anything else. There is no worship of the things involved. The 8 / 10 laws of health are pretty much a given.
Crater, I'm sad to read your respond. I was simply trying to bring into mind to the reader where the emphasis needs to be. NEWSTART or 8/10 natural laws is a given for you, but might not be for many that comes in the forum and read these threads.

We have an obligation to present truth in the best light possible and keep in mind those who don't know the "given" that certain of us are blessed with. Sadly, but true, most of these threads largely focusses on the magic food which is similar to modern medicine philosophy. This reflect our "natural" tendencies to worship idols. We need to be mindful of that.

The fact that you couldn't understand or acknowledge the need and the spirit that we tried to contribute in this discussion, brings me concern.
Originally Posted By: crater
I believe that much of their success was in following the 8 / 10 laws of health, but as I believe västergötland pointed out they tend to be labor intensive. Who has the time? No one wants to take the time?

Doing NEWSTART doesn't need to be "labor intensive", it's a walk engaged with the Lord that will get easier if we enter into it. Anyway, that alone would deserve a thread by itself because it's a serious matter.
Posted By: kland

Re: SWINE FLU - 09/30/09 05:15 PM

Originally Posted By: crater
I believe that much of their success was in following the 8 / 10 laws of health, but as I believe västergötland pointed out they tend to be labor intensive. Who has the time? No one wants to take the time?

Why does this make me think of the obese people who want to lose weight and lose it now, but don't want to change their habits -- like, don't you have a pill or something?
Posted By: gordonb1

Re: SWINE FLU - 09/30/09 05:31 PM


Hi Crater,

Thank you for these good resources - Thrash, McClintock, Nedley are familiar names. My own training is lacking and always needs improvement.

The laws of health are indeed a given to many SDA, and to some in the secular alternative field. And it makes sense that Battle Creek had such success. As we know, these figures speak of temporal achievements, how to save the body, but our focus (all believers) must be on Trust in Divine Power. This defines our mission, or it should. While we may not worship herbal remedies, super foods or fomentations, many gentiles who come to us receive this message and walk away no wiser. They'll credit a treatment, institute or doctor much as they do in hospital medicine.

They may adjust their lifestyle (or not), but seldom see Christ as their Healer and Re-Creator. I think this may be Elle's emphasis. How often does one hear a patient confess their rebellion and thankfully submit to Christ?

Some of the listed herbs are in my cupboard, others in the garden. But if the goodness of God in sustaining life is not appreciated, none will be led to repentance. (Romans 2:4) Repentance figures prominently in Revelation as an indicator of conversion, in essence 'a changed mind'. (Greek #3340)

Certainly conversion can't be imposed (!) on another, rather the laws of health are meant as an opening wedge to show God's infinite love - with this I'm sure we all agree. The end goal is a reconciled soul by God's miraculous grace. Such results are wanting and we must be concerned with the reasons.

All said, your shared knowledge and links are very helpful. reading
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Posted By: vastergotland

Re: SWINE FLU - 09/30/09 08:54 PM

Originally Posted By: kland
Originally Posted By: crater
I believe that much of their success was in following the 8 / 10 laws of health, but as I believe västergötland pointed out they tend to be labor intensive. Who has the time? No one wants to take the time?

Why does this make me think of the obese people who want to lose weight and lose it now, but don't want to change their habits -- like, don't you have a pill or something?

Since I get referenced in these quotes, Id like to point out that my comment was not made conserning taking responcibility for ones own life but concerning the work methods used at the Kellog sanatorium, including two daily enemas and an unknown number of hot baths each day for each patient.
Posted By: crater

Re: SWINE FLU - 09/30/09 11:20 PM

Wow, who would have thought it would be hinted that I am practicing idolatry, when I shared a little of myself in order to try and get us back on the subject of this forum which is entitled, “swine flu”. Shall we get back to what we were discussing before we got side tracked on smoothies? grin

As I was thinking of Will (who had been part of the discussion at the time either here or at another spot) and has young children, I thought it important to emphasize hydration (the use of water is one of the 10 Laws of Health, giving attention to one "law" before another, dosen't mean that I consider it of more importance then another, nor that I am leaving God out of it). We came close to losing one of my siblings from dehydration when they were quite young and had the flu. We need to be well hydrate (especially children).

We loose body fluids through the evacuation of urine and feces, through respiration, and through perspiration. Through these methods we eliminate toxins. Water helps to wash the accumulated toxins from our bodies.

Pure water is one of natures healers and should be the beverage of choice. Juicy fruits and veggies that have a high water content are good to include in the diet if the sick one is up to eating. Fruit juice can be over done as it helps the body to cleanse, possibly causing the body to cleanse faster then the body may be able to handle. So fresh vegetable juice which tends to be more building may be preferable, e.g. carrot juice. Pineapple juice with green juice is helpful when respiratory system is involved.

We discussed some fluids such as rooibos and coconut milk. IMO they would be preferable healthier substances for replacing electrolytes rather then what is marketed as sports drinks for electrolyte replacement. Potassium / vegetable broth and barley water are also good and inexpensive source for electrolytes.

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Potassium Broth
 
2 cups bran
1 cup oatmeal
4 quarts water
2 large onions
2 stalks celery with leaves
bunch minced parsley
4 medium potatoes
2 vegetable oysters (a Mediterranean herb)
2 large carrots
Mix the first 3 ingredients and soak overnight. Beat up with an eggbeater and strain through a fine sieve. Thoroughly wash and thinly slice the potatoes, carrots, onions, celery, parsley, and vegetable oysters (salsify) , Cook there in the bran/oatmeal water. Let simmer in a covered kettle until the vegetables are done. Mash up vegetables and strain again through a fine sieve. “Back to Eden” by Jethro Kloss pg. 606

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Barley Water

2 quarts water
1 cup hulled barley
2 lemons
1/4 cup honey

Place the water and barley into a medium saucepan; cover, set over high heat and bring to a boil. Once the barley comes to a boil, decrease the heat to low and simmer for 30 minutes. While the liquid is cooking, peel the lemons, being careful not to cut into the white pith. Juice the lemons and place the juice along with the peel into a 3-quart pitcher and set aside. If inclined, you could add some fresh ginger slices.

After 30 minutes, strain the barley water through a fine mesh strainer into the pitcher. Add the honey and stir to combine. Refrigerate may keep 4-5 days.


I claim no expertice on the subjet of the flu or health, nor am I suggesting anyone follow what I share. Nor do I claim to have shared all there is on the subjet of water and hydration. One should seek health care as they see fit for themselve and their loved ones.

Beloved, I wish above all things that thou mayest prosper and be in health, even as thy soul prospereth.
3 John 1:1-3 smile
Posted By: dedication

Re: SWINE FLU - 10/01/09 09:51 AM

The flu ---

is not the threat.

Anyone living a fairly healthy lifestyle should manage OK if things are simply left to run their course.

The threat is the vaccination.

Dr. Andrew
"28.) What, in your opinion, caused the 1918 “Spanish” flu pandemic?

Vaccinations – to the United States military personnel being deployed overseas.
Spanish Flu did not kill 20 million. It was the non-specific “M.A.S.S.” immune hypersensitivity response ........
Posted By: Elle

Re: SWINE FLU - 10/01/09 11:50 AM

Originally Posted By: Gordon
Super potent foods and vitamins are available to the rich - Like us with computers and cars. But if they were necessary for health, it would be an injustice to the millions who can never buy them.

Important point!
Posted By: crater

Re: SWINE FLU - 10/01/09 08:11 PM

Originally Posted By: dedication
The flu ---

is not the threat.

Anyone living a fairly healthy lifestyle should manage OK if things are simply left to run their course.

The threat is the vaccination.

Dr. Andrew
"28.) What, in your opinion, caused the 1918 “Spanish” flu pandemic?

Vaccinations – to the United States military personnel being deployed overseas.
Spanish Flu did not kill 20 million. It was the non-specific “M.A.S.S.” immune hypersensitivity response ........

dedication thanks for sharing. This is a very interesting interview with Dr. Andrew Moulden: What You Were Never Told About Vaccines. Here are a couple of clips from the interview, just to peak more of an interest! wink

Actually it is more then interesting. Revolutionary, could be the word?

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2.) Dr. Moulden, we understand that you have made a revolutionary discovery. Can you tell us about it?

I would be happy to.

Through my extensive research and my work throughout the years, I have discovered that vaccinations are causing impaired blood flow (ischemia) to brain and body from clinically silent to death. These are strokes – across the board for all of us. I have reason to believe that all are being affected and all vaccinations ARE causing the overwhelming rise in autism, specific learning disabilities, attention deficit disorders, sudden infant death, gulf war syndrome, dementia, seizure disorders, some cancers it would appear, and much much more.

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4.) What was it which caught your attention, what tipped you off and incited you to scratch the surface and investigate further?

Wild polio caused the exact same brain damages as ALL other vaccines are. Indeed, Guillian Barre syndrome and a host of other neurological disorders is being caused by a common mechanism of injury – albeit from different triggers for different individuals. This is ischemia –from impaired blood flow in microcirculation units. We simply did not appreciate what was right before our eyes.

My first cases included several Autistic and Schizophrenic patients. They were showing the exact same acute onset palsies – paralysis. These brain damages were subtle – but measurable multiple, and were present in the pre-vaccine era for wild viruses like polio and infantile paralysis.

Once I was armed with the knowledge and skills of a medical doctor, a clinical neuropsychologist, a child neurodevelopmentalist, with research experience in neuroimaging, tests and measurement, scientific method design and analysis, functional localization of brain and behavioral disorders, and a broad base across several other scientific disciplines, I was able to see “the whole forest” despite the trees. Quite literally, I believe I have found and discovered a common mechanism towards acquired human disease and disorder – all of it. It is truly humbling.


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6.) What is the basic information underlying your claims and what is the foundation of your beliefs?

Germs simply are not the only root cause of death, disease, and disorder. I have now conclusively shown that ALL vaccines, from infancy to geriatric, are causing the exact same brain damages irrespective of what disease or disorder comes out. The damages are specific to end vascular “mini strokes” that are beneath the resolution of our neuroimaging, but measurable in a before/after vaccination protocol. They are also directly measurable in real time – however, this involves techniques and technology I have not disclosed to the public as yet.

Remarkably, wild polio, pre-natal German measles, measles, tetanus, “Spanish flu”, etc.. all caused the exact same damages in the pre-vaccine era. We simply did not appreciate that a generic response in the human body was causing the paralysis and respiratory failure and more in from a non-specific immune response and instability of microscopic blood flow hemodynamics.

We have weakened viruses and bacteria, injected them into all of us and caused chronic illness and disease in an attenuated form, this is how these pathogens have always caused harm. It is the bodies response to foreign things entering it, especially under hypersensitivity states, that is causing neurodevelopment disorders and chronic illness and much more.


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13.) In your opinion, are all vaccines “suspect” or are there certain vaccines which are still “acceptable” and if yes, which one(s) ?

It is no longer an opinion as I now have conclusive evidence to show that ALL vaccines are causing the exact same damages for us all in the exact same manner that wild polio virus caused paralysis, respiratory failure (“Iron lung”), death, bleeding into the brain, and more.

It is the act of repeat vaccinations, properly spaced apart that is creating one part of the problem. It is the aluminum that is creating a second part of the problem. ALL other foreign substances in vaccines are creating a third part of the problem – like adding fuel to a fire. One does not need to be directly vaccinated to be vaccine injured.

Vaccines are not the only trigger that adds up to the problem. Sometimes, when the mother is immune tolerant to a specific antigenic determinant, vaccination to the mother will induce the “MASS” ischemic damages to the infant via breast feeding in the same manner that vaccination does – and cause autism (ischemic strokes). Sometimes this will cause “Mobius syndrome” in the prenatal life – 48% of these children have autism and/or childhood schizophrenia. Schizophrenia and autism are the same “beast” in pathophysiology (MASS ischemia) albeit the triggering sequence differs as a function of immunological. Electrostatic, and timing of damages in neurodevelopment.

The damages acquired are additive and summative with each vaccine. By example, I have now demonstrated that the teen girls that are having severe adverse effects from Gardasil, including death, are actually experiencing a completion of the additive neurovascular damages that were adding up with EACH childhood vaccine. These damages are also an additive for the infants and children in the same manner. These are all ischemic strokes. There is a “breaking point.” If this point is reached, in frequency, duration, or severity, in the toddler years, neuropdevelopmental disorders emerge. If it happens in a teen or adult, a different set of symptoms will emerge. The process is akin to a fast or slow “strangulation” of tissue by impaired fluid dynamics and microvascular circulation, integrity, and repair.
Posted By: gordonb1

Re: SWINE FLU - 10/01/09 10:21 PM


These claims by Dr. Moulden are both fascinating and believable. On some fronts they harmonize with dietary research - foreign matter impeding circulation, as in free fats & processed fats. I believe EGW wrote that perfect circulation equals perfect health. Am missing the source. Mini or micro strokes can sum to dementia over time.
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Posted By: Daryl

Re: SWINE FLU - 10/05/09 01:00 AM

ADMIN HAT ON!!!

As this is a very important thread, in light of the news on TV today regarding the Swine Flu vaccination, I have re-opened this thread for further discussion about this, however, the technology aspect of this needs to be on a different thread.

ASMIN HAT OFF
Posted By: Rosangela

Re: SWINE FLU - 10/05/09 04:38 AM

About the H1N1 vaccine:

"Some of the vaccine will be stored in multi-dose vials containing thimerosal, an antibacterial additive that contains mercury. But there will also be single-dose syringes without thimerosal, a substance that some assert is harmful to children."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/con...ST2009072903827
Posted By: gordonb1

Re: SWINE FLU - 10/05/09 06:26 AM


Clearly the health authorities are in a bind.

Canada: Study prompts provinces to rethink flu plan - Globe & Mail

http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=15516
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Posted By: gordonb1

Re: SWINE FLU - 10/05/09 06:38 AM


Swine Flu Resource Articles:

THE H1N1 SWINE FLU PANDEMIC - Centre for Research on Globalization

http://globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=newsHighlights&newsId=46
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Posted By: Daryl

Re: SWINE FLU - 10/05/09 03:59 PM

This topic will be temporarily closed until some of the posts here have been made into a new topic.
Posted By: Daryl

Re: SWINE FLU - 10/05/09 04:21 PM

Posts removed and made into its own thread, therefore, this thread is now re-opened.
Posted By: Rosangela

Re: SWINE FLU - 10/05/09 05:19 PM

I thought it would be good to post a link here to the other discussion:

http://www.maritime-sda-online.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=120003#Post120003
Posted By: gordonb1

Re: SWINE FLU - 10/05/09 06:59 PM


Correction & source:

Originally Posted By: gordonb1

These claims by Dr. Moulden are both fascinating and believable. On some fronts they harmonize with dietary research - foreign matter impeding circulation, as in free fats & processed fats. I believe EGW wrote that perfect circulation equals perfect health. Am missing the source. Mini or micro strokes can sum to dementia over time.


Here is one source of the same idea, which I misquoted:

"Perfect health requires a perfect circulation..." Ministry of Healing 293.
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Posted By: gordonb1

Re: SWINE FLU - 10/05/09 07:22 PM


Montreal Swine Flu Conference:

Here is a link for the conference of Sept. 23, 2009. Unfortunately for many Maritime viewers, this event was in French, but I post it for those who can understand.

If short on time, I recommend part 1 featuring Dr. Marc Zaffran (M.D.) from the Univerité de Montréal. I believe he has eight children, who will not receive the H1N1 vaccine. Part 4 is question period showing the wide spectrum of public concerns.

http://www.mtl911truth.org/?p=2404&langswitch_lang=fr
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Posted By: Suzanne

Re: SWINE FLU - 10/07/09 01:48 AM

Sunny D (not the beverage!) for Cold and Flu Protection

That's right, you might want to supplement with vitamin D or get a little sunshine on your face this fall and winter--it might just keep you cold- and flu-free. Increased levels of vitamin D may protect against common respiratory infections such as cold and flu, according to new findings published in the Archives of Internal Medicine.

Involving approximately 19,000 adults and adolescents, the study found that those with the lowest average levels of vitamin D were about 40% more likely to have a recent respiratory infection, compared to those with higher vitamin D levels--indicating that increased intake of vitamin D may be a significant way to boost the immune system's ability to fight the common cold and flu.

Lead author, Adit Ginde, MD, from the University of Colorado, Denver, wrote, "To our knowledge, this is the first population-based study to evaluate and demonstrate an association between serum 25(OH)D level and [upper respiratory tract infections]."

While low vitamin D levels were linked with higher risk of cold and flu in 'healthy' people, the researchers also noted that low levels were associated with even higher risks in people with chronic respiratory disorders (ie., asthma, chronic obstructive pulmonary disease (COPD) and emphysema).

Data from the Third National Health and Nutrition Examination survey served as the basis for the observations. Blood samples from the study group allowed the researchers to measure 25(OH)D levels. The links were observed in all seasons. The researchrs said that clinical trials to test vitamin D supplements to boost immunity and fight respiratory infections are being planned. --Arch Intern Med. 2009, Feb.23;169(4):384-90.

Comment: We certainly do not have to wait for more clinical trials to get the sunlight we need to prevent and alleviate various maladies. And don't forget the other laws of health as elucidated in the Spirit of Prophecy.

Suzanne
Posted By: Green Cochoa

Re: SWINE FLU - 10/08/09 08:33 AM

I just received the following notice:
Quote:
Join Dr. Neil Nedley and Dr. Randy Siebold on the 3ABN Today program tomorrow, Thursday, October 7, 2009 starting at 8 p.m. CST. They will be discussing simple answers for the U.S. health care debacle as well as solutions for a crisis in America that is almost never talked about, yet may have deadly consequences for the U.S. economy. The program features a live call-in section.


Blessings,

Green Cochoa.
Posted By: crater

Re: SWINE FLU - 10/08/09 08:35 AM

Here are a few clips form a 'web article" A War i against Your Immune System.
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The Basic Fallacy of Vaccinations

It has been statistically proven that the declines in different diseases occurred significantly earlier than the vaccines developed for them. In other words, the viral strains died out while possibly many who were exposed developed a natural immunity. But the vaccination manufacturers took credit so they would be supported to produce more vaccines for big bucks. It's a very profitable business for Big Pharma.

A retired vaccine scientist turned whistle blower disclosed interesting information during an interview by investigative reporter Jon Rappaport in the year 2002: "They [vaccinations] involve the human immune system in a process that tends to compromise immunity. They can actually cause the disease they are supposed to prevent. They can cause other diseases than the ones they are supposed to prevent.

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The Immune System Briefly

The whistle blower, using the pseudonym of Dr. Mark Randall to protect his pension and keep from being harassed, went on to describe the immune system as being virtually the whole body and one's general emotional and mental attitude. What he and other vaccination critics point out is by injecting the vaccine directly into the blood stream, an important part of the physical body immune system is bypassed completely.

The first line of defense are the physical barriers which include the skin, mucosal membranes of the sinus area, throat and bronchial tubes and lungs, tears, ciliary elevator, (cilials are microscopic filaments that extend from mucosal linings and cells to brush and irrigate pathogens out) and urine. Chemical barriers include sebum sweat (oily secretion), stomach acid and lysozymes (the stuff that makes tears salty).

So, by injecting directly into the blood stream, this first line of defense is bypassed. It isn't able to function as a defender against the pathogens contained in the vaccine. In this case, we are dealing with live viruses in the vaccine. Attenuated means they have been processed to replicate more slowly. The adjuvants of mercury and/or squalene go right past that first line of defense as well. This, especially the squalene, often creates what is known as a cytokine storm.

A cytokine storm is when the injected pathogens and adjuvants, especially squalene, create an over reaction in the immune system. The abundance of antibodies then overwhelms healthy tissue with massive inflammation, beyond what would be a normal immune response. This can create a long term debilitating disease or even death. In other words, you get cooked in your own juices! Step right up; roll up your sleeve! This is good for you.

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Kissing a vaccinated person or being near one who is sneezing and coughing could be more hazardous than dealing with someone who has the swine flu! So those good citizens who get vaccinated could turn out to be more like suicide bombers, spreading viruses while dying slow deaths themselves!

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What the medical establishment doesn't know, or pretends not to know, is that the vaccination victim has what could be a low level viral infection for the rest of his life, which the immune system is forced to defend 24/7. This compromises an immune system and opens the gate for other pathogens to invade and create a fully manifested disease, even causing cancer./

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So What to Do?

Avoid the vaccinations any way you can. And avoid contact with those who have received the vaccination as much as possible, or at least wear the most appropriate mask to protect you.

Store up as much Vitamin D3 (not D2) in your body as possible. Vitamin D3 is not really a vitamin. It's the most powerful steroid hormone in the body. It not only supports general health better than any of the actual vitamins, it also acts as an immune regulator by boosting your immune system when needed and slowing it down to reduce a cytokine storm! Do your own vitamin D research. There's plenty of data available on the internet now.
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Sunlight.

978. This is one of nature's most healing agents. --T., V. II, p. 527.
Posted By: crater

Re: SWINE FLU - 10/08/09 08:49 AM

Watch this video of an interview with Vitamin D Council Executive Director Dr John Cannel (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oRmSV8OUzq0 )

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Vitamin D is important for helping the immune system fight the flu virus. One reason why the flu may be more contagious in the winter time is because of the lack of sunlight. The lack of sunlight prevents our skin from producing sufficient levels of vitamin D. There is now documented evidence about the roles of solar ultraviolet-B radiation and vitamin D in reducing case-fatality rates from the 1918-1918 influenza Pandemic in EU.

I quote: There are two mechanisms whereby vitamin D can reduce the risk of death once the pandemic influenza virus infection took hold: reduced production of pro-inflammatory cytokines and reduced risk of bacterial pneumonia.

The type of vitamin D which can fight viruses can ONLY be made from natural sunlight. It is known as D3, which is made from sunlight when 7-dehydrocholesterol in our skin reacts with UV light.

I quote: It is then twice activated in the liver and kidney to make 1,25-dihydroxyvitamin D. This attaches to receptors on genes that control their expression, which turn protein production on or off. Vitamin D regulates the expression of more than 1,000 genes throughout the body. They include genes in macrophages, cells in the immune system that, among other things, ATTACK AND DESTROY VIRUSES.
Posted By: crater

Re: SWINE FLU - 10/08/09 08:53 AM

Originally Posted By: Green Cochoa
I just received the following notice:
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Join Dr. Neil Nedley and Dr. Randy Siebold on the 3ABN Today program tomorrow, Thursday, October 7, 2009 starting at 8 p.m. CST. They will be discussing simple answers for the U.S. health care debacle as well as solutions for a crisis in America that is almost never talked about, yet may have deadly consequences for the U.S. economy. The program features a live call-in section.


Blessings,

Green Cochoa.

Thanks for the info GC.

I think Thursday evening 3ABN Today programs are usually two hours and I think you can call in or email questions to be answered in the second hour.
Posted By: Green Cochoa

Re: SWINE FLU - 10/09/09 04:18 PM

I was just browsing the internet for some health-related information about tranquilizers (trying to learn if they contain thimerosal or not), and came across this more "swine-flu" (and vaccines, but dare I cross-post?) related website that perhaps might interest some here.

http://www.leadingcauseofdeathprescriptiondrugs.com/

Blessings,

Green Cochoa.
Posted By: vastergotland

Re: SWINE FLU - 10/12/09 05:08 PM

A post not relating to the pigs flu as such but towards the medical science scepticism present:

During a lecture today, the teacher made the example of a herb that has been used in chinese medicine against malaria for thousands of years. It has traditionally been drunk as a tea and has good effect without side effects or causing resistance in the amoebae. In modern times one active ingredient has been harvested from the plant and made into a pill, which certainly kills the bugg, but has also managed to cause resistance in such a short period as only 10 years. Notice that the big issue here is not the medication as such but the refining processes applied to it when turning the tea to a pill.
Posted By: gordonb1

Re: SWINE FLU - 10/15/09 04:34 AM


October 14, 2009

Stephen Harper won't commit himself to flu shot:

http://www.cbc.ca/health/story/2009/10/14/h1n1-research-funding.html
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Posted By: crater

Re: SWINE FLU - 10/20/09 05:19 PM

Dr. Mercola explains, Vitamin D Kills H1N1 and No Scientific Proof Flu Vaccines Work.

Tannng beds.

Posted By: Elle

Re: SWINE FLU - 10/20/09 08:34 PM

This is just a little word of caution and intented to balance other statements without negating them. When combatting the Swine flue Virus or any disease with Vitamins, a thing to keep in mind is that there's a optimal concentration level in all things that changes constantly depending on the individual and their lifestyle. Plus, God's food are perfect in their natural form and design to be ingested as a whole in reasonable amounts. When we start to focuss on certain value of the food and ingest high amounts(in quantity or in juices stripping the fiber) or in pills form, then we are stepping out of the intent design.

Too much concentration of vitamins can cause counter-effects and stresses the body by producing free-radicals. Even thought they are anti-oxidant by nature, can produces free-radical if the amount is in high concentration. Here's just a few articles that I quickly found on the net, but there's numerous research that shows this phenomena as now we have more data with our society doing this for decades.

http://www.nytimes.com/1994/04/20/us/personal-health-838780.html

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m1200/is_n9_v151/ai_19217888/
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Indeed, too much E appeared to be detrimental. Among nonsmokers, she notes, the highest-dose supplementation "did not offer protection. In fact, there was a definite hint things were going the other way"-that the vitamin was actually fostering the production of free radicals. Blood cells from heavily supplemented smokers didn't show the same effect, presumably, she says, because any excess vitamin was being used up in detoxifying radicals generated by smoking.

http://www.google.ca/search?sourceid=navclient&ie=UTF-8&rlz=1T4GGLC_enCA311CA311&q=free+radicals+megadose+Viramin
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How much is enough?
Although there is little doubt that antioxidants are a necessary component for good health, no one knows if supplements should be taken and, if so, how much. Antioxidants supplements were once thought to be harmless but increasingly we are becoming aware of interactions and potential toxicity. It is interesting to note that, in the normal concentrations found in the body, vitamin C and beta-carotene are antioxidants; but at higher concentrations they are pro-oxidants and, thus, harmful. Also, very little is known about the long term consequences of megadoses of antioxidants. The body's finely tuned mechanisms are carefully balanced to withstand a variety of insults. Taking chemicals without a complete understanding of all of their effects may disrupt this balance.

http://www.cbc.ca/health/story/2004/11/10/vitamin-E041110.html
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The researchers speculate high doses of vitamin E may upset the body's natural antioxidant process, or perhaps it interferes with the body's ability to detoxify drugs and toxins. They recommend people talk to their doctor or dietician about using vitamin E.

Posted By: Green Cochoa

Re: SWINE FLU - 10/21/09 02:41 AM

Elle,

It's interesting that you should focus on Vitamin E. There have been many studies done to find a toxicity level (overdose) for Vitamin E. No toxicity level has yet been found. Look carefully at the language of the quotes you posted. For example: "The researchers speculate high doses of Vitamin E may upset....or perhaps...." There is nothing definitive there.

Keep in mind that the pharmaceutical companies do not make money selling vitamins. Their goal (for the love of money) is to discredit vitamins, and make doctors into "unprofessional practitioners" if they recommend them.

As with anything else, there is a balance, of course. A patient said to his doctor once "Doc, the hot peppers are just like medicine to me!" The physician replied, "If the peppers are your medicine, use them like medicine...when you're sick!"

The same is true of vitamins. I don't believe they should be used daily, just for the sake of a daily "boost." But when one is sick, high-dose vitamins may be required to treat a vitamin deficiency and/or a condition for which the vitamin will be therapeutic. If someone gets scurvy, by all means, give them some large doses of Vitamin D.

When I got the H1N1, I took large doses of Vitamin C. Several grams a day. With lots of water. The water will flush any excess of the vitamin, and help to cleanse the body. In my case, I was able to return to work three days later. No hospital visit. No clinic. No antibiotics or antiviral medication. No Tamiflu. Just natural vitamins. (I think I may have taken a B-complex also.) And some hot/cold showers.

Blessings,

Green Cochoa.
Posted By: Green Cochoa

Re: SWINE FLU - 10/22/09 08:36 AM

I just received the following notice:

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October 21, 2009
The newsletters are also available via RSS: <http://rss.mercola.com/NL/rss.aspx>


ALERT: Special Swine Flu Update <http://www.mercola.com/LT/track.asp?l=1324>

Urgent and vital information you need to know about the massive amount of disinformation that the media has recently escalated as best demonstrated by 60 Minutes segment on Swine Flu which aired this past Sunday.

Normally our editorial process has us test, research and review articles over a three week period before it finally reaches the newsletter. However, this article is an exception which is why it is coming out as a special alert.

Read my special report <http://www.mercola.com/LT/track.asp?l=1324> on this vital topic so you can avoid deception and manipulation by the conventional media.

The last time we sent out a special report like this over one million people viewed the page and it was the sixth most viewed page on the Internet that day. So our apologies if our servers are not giving you the page as quickly as you would like. Just be patient and keep trying.

ALERT: Special Swine Flu Update <http://www.mercola.com/LT/track.asp?l=1324>


Blessings,

Green Cochoa.
Posted By: Daryl

Re: SWINE FLU - 10/22/09 03:14 PM

I came across the following link through one of my Facebook Friends:

http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=14312

There is a video there from an earlier Swine Flu Pandemic Scare that never materialized, however, the flu shot that was taken by many back then resulted in other illnesses, one in particular. Watch the video for very interesting information regarding this.

Also read the article contained in the above link.
Posted By: Rosangela

Re: SWINE FLU - 10/22/09 04:28 PM

The vaccination in Britain began yesterday for the A flu priority groups. It's estimated that 11 million people will be vaccinated in this first instance. Let's see what happens.
Posted By: Green Cochoa

Re: SWINE FLU - 10/22/09 06:04 PM

Here's from an Adventist academy in British Columbia, Canada:

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Flu Policy, October 2009

Pandemic Policy

Particularly for H1N1


October 6, 2009

(Passed by the school board on October 6, 2009)

Fraser Valley Adventist Academy works with Fraser Health to ensure the best ways to deal with the threat of H1N1 in schools. FVAA is proactive in urging students to wash hands thoroughly and frequently and avoid unnecessary physical contact with others. Students are also cautioned to sneeze or cough into a tissue or the inside of their elbows. If students have a fever, they are told to remain at home until they have been free from fever and other symptoms for 24 hours. Students who become ill at school with a fever are separated from their classmates till a parent or guardian, or parent-appointed designate can pick them up from school and take them home. Students with a fever are not sent home on the bus.

Fraser Valley Adventist Academy has also installed a number of hand sanitizers around the school to help encourage students, staff, and visitors to reduce the transmission of germs and viruses.

If administration and staff become aware of a case of H1N1 associated with the school, the BC conference will be notified, and parents/guardians will be informed through OneCallNow. The school will not close unless advised to do so by Fraser Health. In order to protect the privacy of children and staff working at FVAA, we will be unable to release any details about who has H1N1.


Falling in line with the health departments? At least they did not say that all students are required to be vaccinated.

Blessings,

Green Cochoa.
Posted By: Elle

Re: SWINE FLU - 10/24/09 02:53 AM

Originally Posted By: Green Cochoa
It's interesting that you should focus on Vitamin E. There have been many studies done to find a toxicity level (overdose) for Vitamin E. No toxicity level has yet been found. Look carefully at the language of the quotes you posted. For example: "The researchers speculate high doses of Vitamin E may upset....or perhaps...." There is nothing definitive there.
Hi Green, I wasn't focussing on Vit. E., I didn't have much time and I just pulled some quick references I found on while googling. I'm sure if I take time, I could find links for most vitamins.

Originally Posted By: Green
Keep in mind that the pharmaceutical companies do not make money selling vitamins. Their goal (for the love of money) is to discredit vitamins, and make doctors into "unprofessional practitioners" if they recommend them.
Keep in mind that other companies are making a lot of money in selling vitamins. For example I found this stat "The vitamin C market was monopolized by seven key manufacturers and generated $151.7 million in revenues in 2005. " This was only for Vitamin C in America. Here's another "The US health supplement store industry includes 5,000 companies operating about 10,000 stores with combined annual revenue of about $6 billion." Whereas "The value of the global pharmaceutical market is expected to grow 4 to 6 percent in 2010, exceeding $825 billion, led by stronger near-term growth in the US market, according to a forecast by IMS Health. In addition, the company raised its expectations for five-year growth in the international prescription drug market by one percentage point in its latest forecast, to between 4 and 7 percent per year through 2013, "partly due to the stronger demand being experienced in 2009."

A big majority of people who pops vitamins are those who doesn't change their lifestyle. Studies shows, that they are no long term health benefits popping vitamines without lifestyle changes. So the pharmaceutical companies are not being harmed at all.

I have seen too much papers when working in health research to hold this position. Plus I know that Dr. Sang Lee and heard about Dr. MacDougall with all their serious research believe the principle that I have quoted above. They wouldn't recommend nor agree with this type of focuss.

Originally Posted By: Green
But when one is sick, high-dose vitamins may be required to treat a vitamin deficiency and/or a condition for which the vitamin will be therapeutic. If someone gets scurvy, by all means, give them some large doses of Vitamin D.
I don't believe we are talking about vitamin deficiency here. Vitamin deficiency is not what are society is suffering. What we are dealing with is the general public including SDAs, which don't want to change their lifestyle and are seeking the magic pill. It's easier to pop pills than to change. Many go that route thinking they are safe and it's causing more harm than good.

You brought up Vitamin C, here's what Wiki's warnings :
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Possible adverse effects
While being harmless in most typical quantities, as with all substances to which the human body is exposed, vitamin C can still cause harm under certain conditions. In the medical community, these are known as contraindications.

As vitamin C enhances iron absorption for iron deficiency, iron overload may become an issue to people with rare iron-overload conditions, such as Beta (&#946;) thalassemias.
A genetic condition that results in inadequate levels of the enzyme glucose-6-phosphate dehydrogenase (G6PD), can cause sufferers to develop hemolytic anemia after ingesting specific oxidizing substances (favism), such as very large dosages of vitamin C. There are common, inexpensive tests for G6PD deficiency.
There is a longstanding belief among the mainstream medical community that vitamin C causes kidney stones, which seems based little on science.[36] Although some individual recent studies have found a relationship[37] there is no clear relationship between excess ascorbic acid intake and kidney stone formation.[38]
[edit] Side-effects
Although vitamin C can be well tolerated at doses well above the RDA recommendations, megadosing may cause side effects such as stomach upset and laxative effects such as diarrhea. The dose at which these effects may occur varies with the individual and health condition.

High quantities of any acid will raise the acidity of the stomach and potentially cause heartburn, but the pH of the acid can be simply neutralized with baking soda if mixed in ratio 1,000 mg L-ascorbic acid / 477 mg baking soda. Too much of baking soda makes the solution salty, too little will leave the solution tasting sour, just right will make it neutral with no taste. This process has no effect on vitamin C content, only on the pH of the solution and taste.
Relatively large doses of vitamin C may cause indigestion, particularly when taken on an empty stomach. This generally occurs at doses larger than 10,000 mg / day, but may occur at much higher doses if the patient is ill.[39]
When taken in large doses, vitamin C causes diarrhea. The minimum dose that brings about this laxation effect varies on the individual. This has been called the "bowel tolerance limit". It ranges from 5 to 25 grams per day in healthy individuals to 300 grams per day in severely ill patients, such as those with AIDS or cancer[citation needed].
It has been suggested that large doses of acidic vitamin C solution (ascorbic acid) swished around the mouth, rather than swallowed directly without a neutral rinse, may erode dentition.[40]
A 31-year-old Australian woman who had received a kidney transplant died soon afterward as a result of calcium oxalate deposits that destroyed her new kidney function. Doctors concluded that high-dose vitamin C therapy should be avoided in patients with kidney failure.[41] However, oxalate-induced kidney failure has been reported in people with no apparent kidney problem.[citation needed]
High dosage vitamin C ingestion may cause early onset of puberty in females. The source of the vitamin appears independent of the effect.[42][verification needed]
[edit] Chance of overdose
As discussed previously, vitamin C generally exhibits low toxicity. The LD50 (the dose that will kill 50% of a population) is generally accepted to be 11900 milligrams per kilogram in rat populations.[43] Vitamin C proponent Dr. Robert Cathcart M.D. reports that he has used intravenous doses of 60 grams, with simultaneous oral doses of unspecified amount, with no adverse effects.[7]

[edit] Conflicts with prescription drugs
Pharmaceuticals designed to reduce stomach acid, such as the proton pump inhibitors (PPIs), are among the most widely-sold drugs in the world. One PPI, omeprazole (Prilosec), has been found to lower the bioavailability of vitamin C by 12%, independent of dietary intake. The probable mechanism of vitamin C reduction, intragastric pH elevated into alkalinity, would apply to all other PPI drugs, though not necessarily to doses of PPIs low enough to keep the stomach slightly acidic.[44]

[edit] Potential harmful effects
Some test-tube experiments have interpreted that Vitamin C may have possible adverse effects on decomposition of lipid peroxides[45] in nonviable in vivo quantities and conditions[46] and inhibit caspase-8 dependent apoptosis.[47] In April 1998 the journal Nature reported pro-oxidant effects of excessive doses of vitamin C / ascorbic acid.[48] The effects were noted in test tube experiments and on only two of the 20 markers of free radical damage to DNA. They have not been supported by further evidence from living organisms.[46]
In June 2004, Duke University researchers reported an increased susceptibility to osteoarthritis in guinea pigs fed a diet high in vitamin C. However, a 2003 study at Umeå University in Sweden, found that "the plasma levels of vitamin C, retinol and uric acid were inversely correlated to variables related to rheumatoid arthritis disease activity."
A speculated increased risk of kidney stones may be a side effect of taking vitamin C in larger than normal amounts (more than 1 gram). The potential mechanism of action is through the metabolism of vitamin C to dehydroascorbic acid, which is then metabolized to oxalic acid,[49] a known constituent of kidney stones. However, this oxalate issue is still controversial, with evidence being presented for[50] and against[51] the possibility of this side effect.
"Rebound scurvy" is a theoretical, never observed, condition that could occur when daily intake of vitamin C is rapidly reduced from a very large amount to a relatively low amount. Advocates suggest this is an exaggeration of the rebound effect which occurs because ascorbate-dependent enzyme reactions continue for 24–48 hours after intake is lowered, and use up vitamin C which is not being replenished.
Some writers[52] have identified a risk of poor copper absorption from high doses of vitamin C. Ceruloplasmin levels seem specifically lowered by high vitamin C intake. In one study, 600 milligrams of vitamin C daily led to lower ceruloplasmin levels similar to those caused by copper deficiency.[53] In another, ceruloplasmin levels were significantly reduced.[54]
Some alternative medicine proponents suggest that doses of around 6-10 grams per day of vitamin C can induce an abortion in women under 4 weeks of pregnancy.[55] This is based on evidence that high-dose vitamin C increases estrogen levels that may contribute to abortion in early-stage pregnancy, and that these properties have been demonstrated in laboratory animals.[56] This theory however is in direct opposition to Dr. Klenner's claim that there were no miscarries in over 300 consecutive pregnant patients who received 3g to 6g per day of Vitamin C,[57] whereby Dr. Klenner concluded that failure to use this agent in sufficient amounts in pregnancy borders on malpractice.

I'm sorry, but I disaggree with you. However, I think we are getting off topic and probably this would need to be address on a seperate thread.
Posted By: Green Cochoa

Re: SWINE FLU - 10/24/09 04:10 AM

Elle,

I still see this as being germane to the topic we are discussing. Why do some people get swine flu and others do not? It has everything to do with immunity. Anything, therefore, that will boost immunity will prove beneficial in prevention of swine flu.

Naturally, this includes all of the NEWSTART principles. Nutrition is the key word when we speak of supplements.

It is a known fact that most soils around the world are deficient in iodine. The government has the salt manufactures put a tiny bit of it back into the salt supply, called "iodized salt." This is a form of supplementation. Unfortunately, it is about as effective as the vitamins that get put back into the breakfast cereals after all of the processing that has taken place which removed the original ones...that is, not very. So called "enriched flour" is actually a misnomer, as it contains less of the vitamins than were in the original. Nevertheless, this represents a form of vitamin supplementation.

What we are facing today is a loss of the original vitamins due to processed foods. Think your tomatoes are "natural" and therefore full of vitamins? Think again. They are often grown in mass, sometimes in special greenhouses where the plants are given just the nutrients needed to produce their fruit. They are picked very green, and kept in refrigerated storage under very controlled conditions for sometimes many months before being gassed with ethylene to "ripen" them (making them turn red). Do you get the same vitamins and nutrients out of such a food, even a "natural" food? I think not.

To top this off, our environment is polluted much more now than a century ago. The increased pollution demands increased consumption of vitamins so that the liver can properly detoxify the body. For example, I've heard somewhere that smokers "burn" about 500 mg. of Vitamin C each day on account of their smoke.

Blessings,

Green Cochoa.
Posted By: gordonb1

Re: SWINE FLU - 10/24/09 05:50 AM

Green,

The pill plan will render us as "ripe" as your hydroponic tomatoes.

God has a better plan. Remember the Creation Sabbath, but don't forget the Creator. There's "only one way that Heaven approves...but drugs are expensive.." 5T443.

Most supplements are refined synthetic compounds. Drugs. Same thing found in your hothouse irrigation water.

John McDougall's not SDA, but his nutritional advice mirrors much found in the Spirit of Prophecy. He outlines the dangers of artificial supplementation - an imbalance.

Dr. (Sir) Dennis Burkitt was not SDA either, but a Christian M.D. who declared (from SDA pulpits) that "we have stone age bodies" but feed them with high tech food.

More wisdom from the Gentiles.

Tomatoes? ... grow your own.
_____
Posted By: Green Cochoa

Re: SWINE FLU - 10/24/09 07:42 AM

Gordon,

It would be wonderful if everyone could grow their own. It is not reality. Grow tomatoes, perhaps, but do you grow your own rice or wheat? Is it possible to get non-GMO, organic rice and wheat? flour? pesticide-free fruits, whether in season or out? Should every Adventist be a farmer in order to follow God's "only one way that Heaven approves?"

As a missionary, I am not a farmer. Nor do I have access to some of the blessings of the homeland. If you can get pesticide-free products, consistently, you are blessed beyond my ability here. Meanwhile, I use Vitamins when I am sick, and I have proven through experience their worth.

The fact is that our modern environment is a different world from Ellen White's day.

As has been brought out earlier, Ellen White never advocated a zero-tolerance policy for medicines. It is important to be balanced, she said, so that "health reform" does not become "health deform."

Blessings,

Green Cochoa.
Posted By: crater

Re: SWINE FLU - 10/24/09 09:26 AM

We don't want to get to far off topic, and vitamins could be an interesting forum topic if we wish to keep going? smile

So I will just add that, Dr. Joel Robins, MD. has written a little article " Vitamin Supplements are not Food Supplements " I find that he give a pretty good explanation on this subject.

In his bibliography he recommends; "An excellent book for more insight and references on the subject of natural vs. synthetic supplementation is" The Real Truth About Vitamins and Antioxidants by Judith A. DeCava, CNC, LNC
Posted By: Daryl

Re: SWINE FLU - 10/26/09 03:53 PM

Today is the beginning of the national H1N1 Swine Flu vaccination across Canada.

Canada AM (TV new program) stated that 51% of Canadians have chosen NOT to take this flu vaccination.
Posted By: kland

Re: SWINE FLU - 10/26/09 05:01 PM

Originally Posted By: Green Cochoa
As has been brought out earlier, Ellen White never advocated a zero-tolerance policy for medicines. It is important to be balanced, she said, so that "health reform" does not become "health deform."
I believe you were referring to a topic on vaccinations which would relate to this swine vaccinations topic.

Someone did say Ellen White never advocated a zero-tolerance policy for medicines, but it was never established. However, she did say, "Drugs never cure disease". If you consider vaccination not to be a drug, could you justify each of their ingredients as not being a drug?
Posted By: Green Cochoa

Re: SWINE FLU - 10/26/09 05:33 PM

kland,

We have written testimony in the historical archives of the fact that Ellen White was herself vaccinated and that she recommended the vaccine to those around her. Apparently, then, she either did not class vaccines as "drugs" or else she felt that this was a separate case where the vaccine was helpful.

I see myself as a moderate on the issue, though many would consider me to be anti-vaccination. What might be good for one may not be good for all. Further, what might be beneficial in one situation may be totally unnecessary in another. I've said before, and perhaps it bears repeating, that I am comfortable with vaccines for TWO diseases: Polio and Tetanus. If there were a vaccine against Ebola, I might also include that one. I am UNcomfortable with all other vaccines. Nevertheless, I am also uncomfortable with any form of mandates on the issue, and would be happy if people have the freedom to educate themselves and choose individually in these matters. Your right to avoid all vaccines is as important with me as another's right to take them all.

As for the Swine Flu vaccine--I would not touch it with a ten-foot pole, and I would and do warn people against it.

Regarding Ellen White's use of the word "drugs," it did differ somewhat from her use of the similar word "medicines." She used "drugs" to refer to such poisons as calomel (mercury), strychnine, arsenic, and other similar body-harming substances. She used "medicines" partly overlapping with the term "drugs" but referring to the milder ones.

Originally Posted By: Ellen White
By the use of poisonous drugs, many bring upon themselves lifelong illness, and many lives are lost that might be saved by the use of natural methods of healing. The poisons contained in many so-called remedies create habits and appetites that mean ruin to both soul and body. Many of the popular nostrums called patent medicines, and even some of the drugs dispensed by physicians, act a part in laying the foundation of the liquor habit, the opium habit, the morphine habit, that are so terrible a curse to society. 152 {CCh 105.3}
Drug medication, as it is generally practiced, is a curse. Educate away from drugs. Use them less and less, and depend more upon hygienic agencies; then nature will respond to God's physicians—pure air, pure water, proper exercise, a clear conscience. Those who persist in the use of tea, coffee, and flesh meats will feel the need of drugs, but many might recover without one grain of medicine if they would obey the laws of health. Drugs need seldom be used. 153 {CCh 105.4}

That last sentence tells us that sometimes drugs do need to be used. If I go in to the hospital after a car accident in which my spleen has ruptured and the doctors must do surgery to stop the internal bleeding, I sure hope they use some anesthesia on me! Not doing so would be pointless.

The scary part about the swine flu is that, according to Dr. Mercola, the government has made it illegal for a medical profession (or anyone?) to make any claim for any drug, medicine, or supplement to be effective against the swine flu. The only thing the medical professionals are supposed to recommend is the vaccine. I'm not sure where one would find the actual wording of the law on this, but it does seem to limit free speech and truth on the issue. Would I be prosecuted for saying that Vitamin C and gargling salt water actually helped me to overcome the swine flu?

Blessings,

Green Cochoa.
Posted By: kland

Re: SWINE FLU - 10/27/09 12:43 AM

Originally Posted By: Green Cochoa
If I go in to the hospital after a car accident in which my spleen has ruptured and the doctors must do surgery to stop the internal bleeding, I sure hope they use some anesthesia on me! Not doing so would be pointless.

Do you realize that in this case, drugs did not cure anything but only allowed the surgery to be performed more conveniently?
Posted By: Green Cochoa

Re: SWINE FLU - 10/27/09 07:50 AM

Originally Posted By: kland
Originally Posted By: Green Cochoa
If I go in to the hospital after a car accident in which my spleen has ruptured and the doctors must do surgery to stop the internal bleeding, I sure hope they use some anesthesia on me! Not doing so would be pointless.

Do you realize that in this case, drugs did not cure anything but only allowed the surgery to be performed more conveniently?

Of course I realize that. Are you saying that you would refuse the anesthesia if you needed to be cut open?

Blessings,

Green Cochoa.
Posted By: dedication

Re: SWINE FLU -- Obama declares national emergency! - 10/27/09 09:24 AM

10/26/2009
On Saturday, President Barack Obama declared the H1N1 influenza pandemic to be a national emergency. The statement from Obama issued by the White House reads as follows:

“Pursuant to section 201 of the National Emergencies Act (50 U.S.C. 1621), I hereby report that I have exercised my authority to declare a national emergency in order to be prepared in the event of a rapid increase in illness across the Nation that may overburden health care resources. This declaration will allow the Secretary of Health and Human Services, if necessary, to temporarily waive certain standard Federal requirements in order to enable U.S. health care facilities to implement emergency operations plans to deal with the 2009 H1N1 influenza pandemic in the United States. A copy of my proclamation is attached. Further, I have authorized the Secretary of Health and Human Services to exercise the authority under section 1135 of the Social Security Act to temporarily waive or modify certain requirements of the Medicare, Medicaid, and State Children's Health Insurance programs and of the Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act Privacy Rule as necessary to respond to the pandemic throughout the duration of the public health emergency declared in response to the 2009 H1N1 influenza pandemic.”
Posted By: dedication

Re: SWINE FLU -- Obama declares national emergency! - 10/27/09 09:53 AM

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This declaration will allow the Secretary of Health and Human Services, if necessary, to temporarily waive certain standard Federal requirements in order to enable U.S. health care facilities to implement emergency operations plans to deal with the 2009 H1N1 influenza pandemic in the United States.




The declaration means that Kathleen Sebelius, the health and human services secretary, now has authority to bypass the human rights standard federal rules and implement any or all of the emergency actions the government wants to impose.
Posted By: Green Cochoa

Re: SWINE FLU -- Obama declares national emergency! - 10/27/09 01:53 PM

Here's an excerpt from a news piece I found online:

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In May, shortly after Health and Human Services officials declared swine flu a public health emergency, the FDA, in conjunction with the Federal Trade Commission, launched a crackdown on unapproved and unproven products.

While unsuspecting consumers might be attracted to the disease-fighting promises such products make, their manufacturers "are motivated by profit, not concern for public health," said Gary Coody, the FDA's national health fraud coordinator. Health officials say they are concerned that use of these unproven remedies might lead people to delay seeking medical attention and endanger the health of others.

Manufacturers are being told to immediately remove unproven claims or unapproved products from their Web sites and to respond to warning letters within 48 hours, instead of the usual 15 working days.


I liked the underlined part there. What is wrong with profit? This is capitalistic America, isn't it? Do you think Big Brother could tell us with a straight and honest face that the vaccine companies do NOT have this motivation for profit? It looks to me as though the government is just protecting its side business here--as usual, big pharma has good lobbyists.

I have seen it reported that the Swine Flu has proven fatal to fewer people than the average fatalities for the common seasonal influenza. Emergency?!

Blessings,

Green Cochoa.
Posted By: Rosangela

Re: SWINE FLU -- Obama declares national emergency! - 10/27/09 03:35 PM

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I have seen it reported that the Swine Flu has proven fatal to fewer people than the average fatalities for the common seasonal influenza. Emergency?!

What is disturbing about the H1N1 flu is that the fatalities happen more among young people than among elderly people. This is both intriguing and scaring.

Quote:
October 20, 2009 — H1N1 influenza has turned flu death statistics upside down, the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) confirmed today.

In a normal flu season, 90% of deaths are in elderly people. But since September, 88% of deaths have been in people under age 65 — with almost a quarter of the deaths in young people under age 25.

"It is almost completely reversed. Nearly 90% of our fatalities are occurring in people under 65," CDC respiratory disease chief Anne Schuchat, MD, said at a news conference. "This illustrates this H1N1 virus is disproportionally affecting the young."

As might be expected from the death toll, most people hospitalized with severe H1N1 swine flu are young. Surveillance data from 27 states show that more than half of swine flu hospitalizations — 53% — are in people under age 25. Only 7% of people hospitalized with swine flu are elderly.

http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/711067

Posted By: Green Cochoa

Re: SWINE FLU - 10/27/09 04:14 PM

Rosangela,

Did you watch the video here?

http://www.mercola.com/LT/track.asp?l=1324

It is VERY interesting and pertinent to Swine Flu. It is very educational. So interesting, in fact, that it seems in the past 6 days, the site has had about 400,000 hits. The lady explains the reason younger people are hit harder with this flu.

Blessings,

Green Cochoa.
Posted By: kland

Re: SWINE FLU - 10/27/09 04:34 PM

Originally Posted By: Green Cochoa
Originally Posted By: kland
Originally Posted By: Green Cochoa
If I go in to the hospital after a car accident in which my spleen has ruptured and the doctors must do surgery to stop the internal bleeding, I sure hope they use some anesthesia on me! Not doing so would be pointless.

Do you realize that in this case, drugs did not cure anything but only allowed the surgery to be performed more conveniently?

Of course I realize that. Are you saying that you would refuse the anesthesia if you needed to be cut open?
I'm a little confused here. Are you talking about, "Drugs never cure disease"? I thought you were as you introduced the spleen right after quoting Ellen White about being able to recover without one grain of medicine.
Posted By: Rosangela

Re: SWINE FLU - 10/27/09 05:07 PM

GC,

I had already heard the explanation that people over 65 already have antibodies against the H1N1 flu because of the 1918 pandemic. But wouldn't this be true only of people in their eighties?
Another thing is, the complication most people die of is pneumonia. I understand it to be bacterial pneumonia, not viral pneumonia. So why aren't antibiotics working in these cases?
Posted By: Green Cochoa

Re: SWINE FLU - 10/27/09 05:34 PM

Originally Posted By: kland
I'm a little confused here. Are you talking about, "Drugs never cure disease"? I thought you were as you introduced the spleen right after quoting Ellen White about being able to recover without one grain of medicine.

kland,

I too am confused, I guess. I thought you were talking about the anesthesia as a drug in your following post. The question here is, what, in your mind, is a "drug?" It appears that any unnatural liquid, pill, substance, supplement or potion would be classed as a "drug" by some here, and I had been led to see you as among them.

That Ellen White did not take such a radical view is evident when reading her teachings on the subject in their entirety--accepting both the more radical statements and their balancing ones on the other side. I agree she made some dramatic statements in regards to "drugs." However, from others of her statements I understand her scope of "drugs" to be more narrowly defined than some here choose to apply it.

Specifically, Mrs. White also speaks of "remedies" (including "natural remedies" but not limited to them) as being beneficial. It appears from the record we have, Mrs. White would have viewed vaccines as being "remedies" and not "drugs."

The Swine Flu vaccine, however, was not yet concocted in her day, and I make no attempt to say she would have advocated its use. To the contrary, I believe she would have put the balance to the issue of vaccines, and not advocated their injudicious use.

Blessings,

Green Cochoa.
Posted By: Green Cochoa

Re: SWINE FLU - 10/27/09 05:40 PM

Originally Posted By: Rosangela
GC,

I had already heard the explanation that people over 65 already have antibodies against the H1N1 flu because of the 1918 pandemic. But wouldn't this be true only of people in their eighties?
Another thing is, the complication most people die of is pneumonia. I understand it to be bacterial pneumonia, not viral pneumonia. So why aren't antibiotics working in these cases?

Rosangela,

Perhaps you did not watch the full length of the video (it continues automatically to the next segment after each 8 min. or so). The lady says the Swine Flu is a descendant of, and very similar to, the 1918 plague virus that went around the world, and which also cropped up in about 1976 as the Swine Flu. At that time (1976), the government mandated vaccinations, but the program was halted after more people died of the vaccine than had died of the disease!

So anyone born before 1976 is likely to have immunity. Those who are younger than 30 would not be among them. The 1976 outbreak just boosted the immunity of the population, the older ones of whom had been exposed in 1918. That is why they now have antibodies to the virus and are not affected by it.

Blessings,

Green Cochoa.
Posted By: Rosangela

Re: SWINE FLU - 10/27/09 07:19 PM

GC,

I really hadn't seen the part you are speaking about. I've just noticed there are 6 parts, and I've watched just the first one.
In the 60-Minutes video just below it, the doctor interviewed, one of the US top virologists, says that viruses similar to that of the H1N1 flu were in circulation in the 1930's and 1940's, and that those who were born before about 1950 are better protected against the H1N1 virus.
As to the 1976 swine flu outbreak, according to the Wiki, "infections were only detected from January 19 to February 9, and were not found outside Fort Dix" (NJ). If it was just a local, very restricted outbreak, there is no reason to believe it would have boosted the immunity of the population in general.
As to the pneumonia, I understood the condition of the patient is aggravated by the damages caused by the virus before the bacteria invades the respiratory tract. That's why these pnemonias can be so serious.
Also, nobody still understands why some have only mild symptons while in others the virus multiplies itself so fast and causes so much damage.
Posted By: kland

Re: SWINE FLU - 10/28/09 12:05 AM

Ok, one thing at a time.
Originally Posted By: Green Cochoa
I too am confused, I guess. I thought you were talking about the anesthesia as a drug in your following post. The question here is, what, in your mind, is a "drug?" It appears that any unnatural liquid, pill, substance, supplement or potion would be classed as a "drug" by some here, and I had been led to see you as among them.
I would agree that anesthesia is a drug. Do you disagree? You are making that of some relevance which I do not understand. Could you explain what that has to do with spleens, or the taking of drugs to enable physical repairs of spleens?
Posted By: Green Cochoa

Re: SWINE FLU - 10/28/09 01:44 AM

Ok...so perhaps we can agree that anesthetics are drugs. Do you view Ellen White as saying they should never be used?

Blessings,

Green Cochoa.
Posted By: kland

Re: SWINE FLU - 10/28/09 04:31 PM

What I said I viewed Ellen White as saying is that drugs never cure disease.
Posted By: Green Cochoa

Re: SWINE FLU - 10/29/09 02:52 AM

So, kland, you would still be willing to use things like anesthetics, is that right? And drugs may sometimes be necessary, even though they do not cure disease, is that right?

A little medication for the heart can keep it pumping longer. To refuse the drug might be to accept an earlier demise. Every heart will fail sooner or later. Much of the modern medicine we have has extended life. Of course, the medication does not "cure" the heart. The heart will grow old and fail eventually, no matter what one may do. The "disease" is sin--which drugs certainly do not cure.

To try to bring this back to the "swine flu" issue, let me ask a few questions:

1. What drugs/medications/vitamins etc. would you be comfortable taking ahead of the swine flu which is going around?
2. What drugs/medications/vitamins etc. would you take if you contracted the disease?
3. What doctors would you see? and would you follow their prescriptions?

smile

Blessings,

Green Cochoa.
Posted By: dedication

Re: SWINE FLU - 10/29/09 07:35 AM

H1N1 flu preventions from Dr. Oz




Date: Saturday, October 17, 2009, 12:48 PM



The following advice, given by Dr. Oz, makes a lot of sense and is important for all to know:

The only portals of entry are the nostrils and mouth/throat. In a global epidemic of this nature, it's almost impossible to avoid coming into contact with H1N1 in spite of all precautions. Contact with H1N1 is not so much of a problem as proliferation is.

While you are still healthy and not showing any symptoms of H1N1 infection, in order to prevent proliferation, aggravation of symptoms and development of secondary infections, some very simple steps, not fully highlighted in most official communications, can be practiced (instead of focusing on how to stock N95 or Tamiflu):

1. Frequent hand-washing (well highlighted in all official communications).

2. "Hands-off-the-face" approach. Resist all temptations to touch any part of face (unless you want to eat or bathe.)

3. *Gargle twice a day with warm salt water (use Listerine or Hydrogen Peroxide if you don't trust salt). *H1N1 takes 2-3 days after initial infection in the throat/ nasal cavity to proliferate and show characteristic symptoms. Simple gargling prevents proliferation. In a way, gargling with salt water has the same effect on a healthy individual that Tamiflu has on an infected one. Don't underestimate this simple, inexpensive and powerful preventative method.

4. Similar to 3 above, *clean your nostrils at least once every day with warm salt water, or hydrogen peroxide. *Not everybody may be good at Jala Neti or Sutra Neti (very good Yoga asanas to clean nasal cavities), but *blowing the nose softly once a day and swabbing both nostrils with cotton buds dipped in warm salt water is very effective in bringing down viral population.*



5. *Boost your natural immunity with foods that are rich in Vitamin C (Amla and other citrus fruits). *If you have to supplement with Vitamin C tablets, make sure that it also has Zinc to boost absorption.

6. *Drink as much of warm liquids (tea, hot drinks, etc) as you can. *Drinking warm liquids has the same effect as gargling, but in the reverse direction. They wash off proliferating viruses from the throat into the stomach where they cannot survive, proliferate or do any harm.
Posted By: crater

Re: SWINE FLU - 10/29/09 08:02 AM

Susanne started Just Say No to Drugs.
A good place to continue this subject of the use of "drugs" in healing! smile
Posted By: dedication

Re: SWINE FLU - 11/05/09 07:04 AM

What's happening in the Ukraine?

Some believe we are dealing with a new form of bio-weapon.
There are fears circulating the internet that Ukraine’s ‘new virus’ is a deadly bio-weapon released by the pharmaceutical company, Baxter International, which has a research facility in Ukraine.

August 2009
Joseph Moshe was endeavouring to expose the fact that Baxter’s Ukraine facility had produced a bio-weapon disguised as a vaccine.
A growing number now suspect that the virus decimating the Ukraine could be the bio-weapon referred to by Moshe two months previous to the outbreak.

What are we to think?

Link
Posted By: Daryl

Re: SWINE FLU - 11/05/09 06:47 PM

Unless somebody can convince me otherwise, I for one do not intend to take the H1N1 flu vaccine.

I have been told, however, that Dr. Neil Nedley said that it is OK to take the H1N1 flu vaccine. Does anybody know anything about this?
Posted By: Aaron

Re: SWINE FLU - 11/06/09 08:43 PM

My mom listens to Dr. Nedley a lot. She just told me last week that she heard him say he was going to get the flu vaccine.
Posted By: Suzanne

Re: SWINE FLU - 11/10/09 02:56 AM

Swine Flu Seen in Pig Herd in Indiana

The U.S. Department of Agriculture said Nov. 4, 2009 that pigs in a commercial herd in Indiana had tested positive for swine flu. The USDA said it discovered 4 tissue samples that tested positive for the virus using its swine surveillance program.

The sample was collected in late October, and the USDA said the pigs as well as the people caring for the animals had recovered.

The test confirmed that several show pigs at the Minnesota State Fair contracted swine flu, also known as the H1N1 virus. The USDA declined to identify the Indiana location of the sick pigs. Officials there have stressed that instances of pigs with swine flu do not pose a threat to consumers of pork products.

Still word of a commercial herd contracting the virus is bad news for the pork industry, which has struggled with poor prices blamed on swine flu fears and the global recession.

Agriculture experts expected that swine flu would eventually show up in domestic swine. A vaccine for hogs is being developed.

The positive tests in Indiana came just days after U.S. officials successfully negotiated an end to one of the more damaging commercial effects of swine flu--a 6-month ban on pork imports to China. Officials expect the Chinese to reopen their import markets. --The Los Angeles Times, Nov. 5, 2009.

Comment: Those of us who follow the Bible and the Spirit of Prophecy's proscription on the eating of pork are just that much ahead of the game!

Suzanne
Posted By: crater

Re: SWINE FLU - 11/10/09 09:54 AM

Originally Posted By: Daryl F
Unless somebody can convince me otherwise, I for one do not intend to take the H1N1 flu vaccine.

I have been told, however, that Dr. Neil Nedley said that it is OK to take the H1N1 flu vaccine. Does anybody know anything about this?

I wasn't real happy with his answer. I recorded the program so I just went through and found what he said. And will try to summarize. He said he had a patient who may have the h1n1 and so if he doesn't come down with it that he will take the risk of the vaccine. A person can be infected for two days before showing symptoms. You can spread h1n1 before even coming down with a fever.

He said yes, there is controversy about the virus there is always benefits vs risks. If have a suppressed immune system or going to be seeing a lot of people in the general public with h1n1, that the vaccine is worth the risk and if he doesn't come down with h1n1 by the time the vaccine comes out, since he sees a lot of sick people, he himself will utilize i
t.

That seems to be the logic for health care workers being "immunized" with the vaccine. It seems to me if the health care workers were to use masks, it would go along ways in preventing the spread.

This seems to be Dr. Oz's logic for being vaccinated and he was vaccinated on his television show. That was the only time I have seen his program.
Posted By: crater

Re: SWINE FLU - 11/10/09 10:08 AM

I thought this a very logical and informative look at the swine flu. It is in spanish, with English sub titles. Bell Tolling for the Swine Flu (Campanas por la gripe A) subtitled
Quote:
TERESA FORCADES, doctor in Public Health, reflects on the history, and gives scientific data, of A type flu and lists all the irregularities related to this subject.

She explains the consequences of the declaration of a PANDEMIC, the political consequences from this declaration and makes a proposal to keep calm. She calls for an urgent activation of all legal mechanism and the participation of all citizens in this matter

Posted By: kland

Re: SWINE FLU - 11/12/09 05:05 PM

Originally Posted By: crater
He said yes, there is controversy about the virus there is always benefits vs risks. If have a suppressed immune system or going to be seeing a lot of people in the general public with h1n1, that the vaccine is worth the risk and if he doesn't come down with h1n1 by the time the vaccine comes out, since he sees a lot of sick people, he himself will utilize it.
I'm not sure why if someone has a suppressed immune system they would want to take foreign substances directly into their bodies, nor am I sure why if someone's immune system is healthy why someone would want to take foreign substances directly into their bodies. And by foreign substances, I mean both toxic chemicals and elements such as mercury which cannot be broken down and also monkey kidney and testicular cells, horse, and who knows what other exotic unclean creatures which have been used in the past.

Quote:
That seems to be the logic for health care workers being "immunized" with the vaccine. It seems to me if the health care workers were to use masks, it would go along ways in preventing the spread.
With the assumed assumption that vaccines work. This swine flu vaccine has caused me to look into vaccines and the whole theory seems to me to be a big fraud through money and pride. No one has been able to quote me a scientific study showing the effectiveness of vaccines. I have seen some that show some vaccines cause less harm than others. But the logic they use in promoting vaccines seem to me be mostly based on mob ruling.

Quote:
She explains the consequences of the declaration of a PANDEMIC
It appears to me that they were urging the status of pandemic regardless of whether there was warrant for one or not. Almost like they were wanting a test case...?
Posted By: crater

Re: SWINE FLU - 11/13/09 02:00 AM

kland, I couldn't say "why if someone has a suppressed immune system they would want to take foreign substances directly into their bodies, nor am I sure why if someone's immune system is healthy why someone would want to take foreign substances directly into their bodies."

Needly's answer, suprised me. I just tried to convey what he said, as there seemed to be a small amount of interest in his answer.
Posted By: crater

Re: SWINE FLU - 11/13/09 02:26 AM

Originally Posted By: crater
He said he had a patient who may have the h1n1 and so if he doesn't come down with it that he will take the risk of the vaccine. A person can be infected for two days before showing symptoms. You can spread h1n1 before even coming down with a fever.

He said yes, there iscontroversy about the virus there is always benefits vs risks. If have a suppressed immune system or going to be seeing a lot of people in the general public with h1n1, that the vaccine is worth the risk and if he doesn't come down with h1n1 by the time the vaccine comes out, since he sees a lot of sick people, he himself will utilize it.

That seems to be the logic for health care workers being "immunized" with the vaccine. It seems to me if the health care workers were to use masks, it would go along ways in preventing the spread.

This seems to be Dr. Oz's logic for being vaccinated and he was vaccinated on his television show. That was the only time I have seen his program.
Sorry I'm not Paul Harvey, but here is the rest of the story! grin
Quote:
But what he didn't tell his viewing audience is that he holds 150,000 option shares in a vaccine company that could earn him millions of dollars in profits as the stock price rises. It is in Dr. Oz's own financial interest, in other words, to hype up vaccines and get more people taking them so that his own financial investments rise in value. . . .

Dr. Oz. isn't merely a holder of SIGA stock options, by the way: He's on the Board of Directors! As SIGA's own website explains, Dr. Oz has served on the board since 2001 and continues his role there today. This brings up the obvious question:

Is it right for someone talking about whether vaccines are safe on television to also be carrying stock options and serving on the board of directors of a vaccine company at the same time?

Just to make things a little more interesting, SIGA Technologies recently received a $3 million grant in taxpayer dollars from the National Institutes of Health (NIH). The purpose of the grant money? To fund the study of a chemical adjunct named ST-246 to be used in future vaccines. So taxpayer money is now being used to fund a vaccine technology company whose stock price increases will financially benefit the very celebrity doctor who is hyping up vaccines to a national audience.

Here's a link to the SEC document detailing Dr. Oz's ownership of these 150,000 option shares:
http://sec.gov/cgi-bin/own-disp?act...

The current value of SIGA shares can be verified here:
http://finance.yahoo.com/q?s=SIGA

Information about SIGA Technologies and their vaccine technology can be found on their website:
http://www.siga.com/index.php?ID=2

The press release announcing SIGA's receipt of $3 million from the NIH is available here:
http://www.siga.com/?ID=120

Quote:
It has be reported tha he even said on one of the news channels( with Campbell Brown) that his wife didn't take the flu shot or let his 4 kids take it,
Oz himself made a big production of taking the vaccine on his tv show! Wonder what it was tha he actually took?

Then some people question when a doctor has a linked or sells a few supplements like vit D on their website? dunno
Posted By: gordonb1

Re: SWINE FLU - 11/13/09 06:32 AM


Possible deaths from H1N1 vaccine reported in Sweden:

http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=16053
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Posted By: kland

Re: SWINE FLU - 11/13/09 09:02 PM

Quote:
But what he didn't tell his viewing audience is that he holds 150,000 option shares in a vaccine company that could earn him millions of dollars in profits as the stock price rises.
Ahhhh. Maybe that's why he recommends injection regardless of your immune system state! Still, I hope I would not be one to endanger my life for a million bucks. Even if it was a publicity stunt. But now if it was just saline water.....

I heard of an employee at a local hospital where they basically forced workers to get the regular flu shot is now a patient with serious conditions. Of course they say it had nothing to do with the vaccine but just happened within a couple of days of getting it. Looking at the VAERS database, a large portion of the problems happen within the first couple of days. It appears another spike happens at 15 days, but may be due to groupings of the data.

The link about the number of shares was incomplete, but I found a form with his information. I don't quite understand options, underlying shares, derivative shares, owned shares, but a further search on his record seems to indicate he owns much more from different dates unless it is an ongoing state. When searching the SIGA record, it's interesting how many MDs are on it. I suppose it's good to have experts on the board, but to have so many directors having large stakes in it, does seem to be a conflict of interest. I know some mutual funds prohibit or only by a specific vote do they allow board members to have a conflicted interest.

I noticed Dr. Rose has over 1 million shares.

Love that site! Like looking into a fishbowl. I also noticed that Drapkin has several investments into Playboy. I wonder what that has to do with vaccines?
Posted By: dedication

Re: SWINE FLU - 11/15/09 07:45 AM

Originally Posted By: dedication
What's happening in the Ukraine?

Some believe we are dealing with a new form of bio-weapon.
There are fears circulating the internet that Ukraine’s ‘new virus’ is a deadly bio-weapon released by the pharmaceutical company, Baxter International, which has a research facility in Ukraine.

What are we to think?

Link





Doctors Learn Why People in Ukraine are Dying
"All victims of the virus in Bukovyna (22 people at the age of 20-40) died not from bilateral pneumonia, as was previously thought, but as a result of viral distress syndrome, i.e the total destruction of the lungs.

At first the cardio-pulmonary insufficiency comes, and consequently cardiogenic shock is developed, which causes cardiac standstill and death, told the chief of bureau of the Chernivtsi regional forensic examination, doctor of science, Professor Viktor Bachynsky, UNIAN reports.

"During a bilateral pneumonia some morphological picture is observed. As of data of deaths, there is no such morphological picture. The virus, which causes death, is very aggressive, it does not strike the trachea, but immediately gets into the lungs and causes heavy swelling and solid hemorrhage. Mixed types of parainfluenza and influenza A/N1N1 lead to this state. This is a very toxic strain, which has not yet answered to the treatment of the Ministry of Health", - said Viktor Bachinsky.

According to him, there is a need to change the treatment standards, because those which were used earlier, resulted in nothing – doctors failed to save all people infected with the virus in the reanimation. The belt ventilators did not help also.".........
Posted By: dedication

Re: SWINE FLU - 11/15/09 07:58 AM

Ukraine A New Strain of Flu Many Times More Lethal Than H1N1

Doctors learn Why Ukrainians are Dying
Posted By: Elle

Re: SWINE FLU - 11/15/09 10:29 AM

Tx Dedication for these links and the other. Are these reports reliable? It almost sounds too horrible to be true.

Is Ukraine the only country that this lethal bio-weapon was release via an engineered vaccine? If so, why would they choose Ukraine over other countries? Do I understand correctly, the whole country is quarantine? I see that it is quite important that in such case to impose the quarantine.
Posted By: gordonb1

Re: SWINE FLU - 11/15/09 04:42 PM

Elle & Dedication: It appears the Ukraine panic is a heightened version of the world 'pandemic' scare - very good for profits & politics. Ukraine is in an election race. The first article is by William Engdahl, a seasoned geopolitical academic & author.

The video is a Polish news documentary. Turn off the sound; English subtitles, with Austrian journalist Jane Burgermeister & the Baxter story.

It's noteworthy that Poland is reacting with common sense - no jabs with an untested cocktail.

Ukraine, WHO & Geopolitics of Swine Flu Panic:
http://www.conspiracyplanet.com/channel.cfm?channelid=55&contentid=6432

VIDEO: Contaminated H1N1 Vaccines?
http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=16075

Poland won't buy H1N1 vaccine until 'properly tested':
http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=15990
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The evidence mounts that the world is held captive by Satan's fearmongering and the love of money by politicians at all levels. Let us instead fear God, give glory to Him and Come out of her my people.
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Posted By: gordonb1

Re: SWINE FLU - 11/15/09 10:09 PM


An interview with Victor Bachinsky, senior Ukraine pathologist/coroner, also quoted in one of Dedication's links above.

Ukraine Flu Outbreak: Virus Is a Mixture of H1N1 and Parainfluenza, Causes Cardiopulmonary Failure:

http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=16088

Note his emphasis on the immune system as conditional to survival, and his warning against use of antibiotics.
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Posted By: dedication

Re: SWINE FLU - 11/16/09 05:28 AM

Originally Posted By: Elle


Is Ukraine the only country that this lethal bio-weapon was release via an engineered vaccine? If so, why would they choose Ukraine over other countries? Do I understand correctly, the whole country is quarantine? I see that it is quite important that in such case to impose the quarantine.


I don't know how much is "fear mongering" and how much is truth.
The story changes as the days go by.

The first news was that something worse than H1N1 had hit the Ukraine and there were people saying this was a manufactured disease similar to double pneumonia -- a pneumonic plague.

Later, as Gordon also pointed out, it was revealed it wasn't pneumonia at all but a disease that attacked the lungs and caused them to hemorrhage -- very destructive to the transmission of oxygen to the body!

At first some implied that it came through the vaccine, but now it seems they are saying it was launched to scare people into taking the vaccine because people in Ukraine were anti-vaccine.

There are even some who say airplanes sprayed the disease in the Ukraine Airplanes over Ukraine



It does seem that politics and money are playing a big part in this mess.
Tymoshenko lies about flu epidemic?

If leaders are messing around with people's health -- woe to the world!

I hope it is only propaganda --
Every year some people come down with the flu, most recover, some don't.

The best precaution is to have a strong immune system.
Posted By: Green Cochoa

Re: SWINE FLU - 11/16/09 07:49 AM

I just discovered the following response to a pro-H1N1 vaccine article online:

Quote:
Dr. Gold gave us lots of reasons to get a flu vaccine. She dismisses any concerns about adverse effects. She also says that "the current method for making the H1N1 vaccine is the same as that for the seasonal flu vaccine."

Anytime I read where a medical professional vouches for the safety of the flu vaccine and doesn't mention the words "mercury" or "thimerosal," I know we're not being told the whole truth.

Eighty percent of the flu vaccine available contains a massive mercury assault. The H1N1 vaccine will only add to the mercury load. With the annual flu vaccine a child from 6 months to age three receiving a flu vaccine gets 12.5 mcg of mercury. Someone would have to weigh at least 275 pounds according to the EPA in order to handle that much mercury. One month later, another 12.5 booster is recommended. Older children receive the adult vaccine with 25 mcg of mercury. That much mercury is meant for someone weighing 550 pounds according to the EPA.

The trials supposedly show the H1N1 vaccine to be safe, yet THE TRIAL VACCINES WERE WITHOUT THIMEROSAL.

The mercury-based vaccine preservative thimerosal goes back 75 years. It was invented and tested Eli Lilly Pharmaceutical Company in 1930. The one study done on thimerosal was done by Eli Lilly on 22 adult patients suffering from meningitis. There was no chance for follow-up to observe long-term effects, as all of the patients died. Even if follow-up had been possible, damage to the developing brains of very young children would have remained an unknown. Eli Lilly said it was safe and the medical community just accepted it. After the creation of the FDA, its use was simply continued. This unconscionable oversight failure should call any safety claim into question.
This vaccine is also recommended for pregnant women at all stages of pregnancy. The huge mercury assault easily passes the placental barrier and enters the developing fetus whose tiny brain is just forming. Incredibly, the manufacturers of the flu vaccine state in their published information that accompanies the vaccine that it's never been tested on pregnant women.
http://www.safeminds.org/about/documents/SM%20Flu%20Brochure%202009-2010.pdf

The CDC has endless pharma-funded studies showing that it's safe to inject mercury into humans, especially pregnant women, but I've never seen a toxicologist backing them up.

Finally I would ask you to read this report from the Milwaukee Journal-Sentinel from 2007, Most flu shots contain mercury, but few know it http://www.jsonline.com/news/29295284.html. The reporter gave us plenty of reasons to question the safety of the flu vaccine.

Anne Dachel
Media editor: Age of Autism http://www.ageofautism.com/


Blessings,

Green Cochoa.
Posted By: gordonb1

Re: SWINE FLU - 11/16/09 03:34 PM

Originally Posted By: dedication

If leaders are messing around with people's health -- woe to the world!


Leaders have been messing with people's health for many years.

Whethere they be political, legislative, medical, educational, business, financial, military or spiritual leaders, they have all been messing with minds in their own areas.

And usually we support and encourage them, to our own hurt.

Indeed, woe to the world!

Christ is the only leader we can trust.
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Posted By: kland

Re: SWINE FLU - 11/18/09 12:56 AM

Quote:
The one study done on thimerosal was done by Eli Lilly on 22 adult patients suffering from meningitis.

That's why people can "honestly" say that no study has shown thimerosal to cause harm.
Posted By: Elle

Re: SWINE FLU - 01/24/13 02:55 AM

Swine flu shot causing narcolepsy

Sweden's vaccination program is now called a "medical tragedy" by the health official who coordinated it.
http://health.yahoo.net/news/s/nm/insight-evidence-grows-for-narcolepsy-link-to-gsk-swine-flu-shot

Quote:
STOCKHOLM (Reuters) - Emelie is plagued by hallucinations and nightmares. When she wakes up, she's often paralyzed, unable to breathe properly or call for help. During the day she can barely stay awake, and often misses school or having fun with friends. She is only 14, but at times she has wondered if her life is worth living.

Emelie is one of around 800 children in Sweden and elsewhere in Europe who developed narcolepsy, an incurable sleep disorder, after being immunized with the Pandemrix H1N1 swine flu vaccine made by British drugmaker GlaxoSmithKline in 2009.

Finland, Norway, Ireland and France have seen spikes in narcolepsy cases, too, and people familiar with the results of a soon-to-be-published study in Britain have told Reuters it will show a similar pattern in children there.

Their fate, coping with an illness that all but destroys normal life, is developing into what the health official who coordinated Sweden's vaccination campaign calls a "medical tragedy" that will demand rising scientific and medical attention....

GSK says 795 people across Europe have reported developing narcolepsy since the vaccine's use began in 2009.
Posted By: Johann

Re: SWINE FLU - 01/24/13 01:09 PM

I have a good friend, a medical doctor, who spends much of his time curing patients from the side effects of various vaccinations. He claims that side effects of vaccines cause greater sufferings than the diseases these vaccines prevent.
Posted By: kland

Re: SWINE FLU - 01/25/13 02:10 AM

No doubt! Have you looked at some of the ingredients in them?

If CDC created the bird flu from incubating human viruses with whatever are in bird eggs (bird viruses), what would happen if they incubated human viruses in insects?

Last I heard on Science Friday, that's what they're planning on doing.

Imagine what kind of illnesses that would generate! Whether directly or indirectly through injecting insect molecules into humans.

Horse, cow, bird, monkey, and now insects.
Posted By: dedication

Re: SWINE FLU - 11/29/16 08:37 AM

Almost four years after this thread was first active --
we can honestly say it was all a big FEAR mongering.
A ploy to promote and enforce vaccinations.

The US government is plotting to get the power to inject whatever they put in their inoculation mixture into every person on the planet!

"(NaturalNews) In collaboration with Big Business and special interests, the Obama administration's Department of Health and Human Services (HHS) is plotting a new program to track Americans' vaccination records, wage a massive propaganda campaign to "encourage" more inoculations, and foist more controversial vaccines on adults against their will."
Source

Friday, November 4th, 2016 Obama quietly signed an Executive Order titled "Advancing the Global Health Security Agenda to Achieve a World Safe and Secure from Infectious Disease Threats."


Quote:
It is the policy of the United States to advance the Global Health Security Agenda (GHSA), which is a multi-faceted, multi-country initiative intended to accelerate partner countries’ measurable capabilities to achieve specific targets to prevent, detect, and respond to infectious disease threats (GHSA targets), whether naturally occurring, deliberate, or accidental....
A functioning national vaccine delivery system—with nationwide reach, effective distributions, access for marginalized populations, adequate cold chain, and ongoing quality control.

At least 90% coverage of the country’s 15-month-old population with at least one dose of measles-containing vaccine. See the Order



Further research on this move --
shows a plan to enforce vaccinations even if it takes military might to implement it. It's a world wide plan.

Freedom to decide what enters your body is being signed away.
Your own body becomes the property of the government to fill with chemicals at their will.
Posted By: kland

Re: SWINE FLU - 11/29/16 11:21 PM

First, they used fear mongering to coerce people into harming themselves for their own good.

Then, when not enough were willing to do that, and were willing to take their own risks for their own health, the concept of "Herd Immunity" was developed.

I have found no research nor biological ecosystem which supports such a concept. In fact, I find much which says the exact opposite. Consider all the resistant weeds, insects, bacteria, fungi...

The world has too big of a population. Over 7 billion, I believe. And some say the ideal population should be 2-3 billion or less. That's a lot of people who have to die. Welcome to Obamacure.

What better way than to have people lining up begging to be disposed of. Much better than forcing them to enter gas chambers. Let them dispose of themselves and pay for it.


(FBI), shall: serve [as]....lead for GHSA targets relating to linking public health and law enforcement,


It will soon be a law to harm yourself. One better search and find out which side they are going to stand on. Your health life depends upon it. You will have to take a stand.

I had bought into the propaganda growing up. But when they started pushing an "annual" flu vaccine, I said that is contradictory to what they taught. At that point I looked into the vaccine industry and found there was no science behind it, it never had worked, no one measures it. Now, the government agencies admit that vaccines DO NOT prevent disease, but lessens the symptoms. Now how does one measure "lessens symptoms" if they couldn't show it prevented disease when they claimed so, let alone do a controlled study?

As a side note to the direct harm, anyone who wishes to be informed, search for patents about a tetanus vaccine used as a carrier for sterilization.
Posted By: kland

Re: SWINE FLU - 12/01/16 06:41 PM

Tetanus, Tdap. Isn't this kind of expected:

Zika Virus
While the Brazilian government initially rushed to blame the Zika virus for a huge rise in abnormal birth defects,...
Only a small number of babies with birth defects, who died, had the virus in their brain or in the mother’s placenta....

In late 2014, the Brazilian minister of health announced that a “newly formulated” Tdap shot would be mandatory for all expectant mothers starting in 2015.
...
In 2015 the Vanderbilt Vaccine Research Program, received a $307,000 grant from the Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation to study the immune responses of pregnant women who receive the Tdap (reduced-dose acellular pertussis vaccines combined with tetanus and diphtheria toxoids) vaccine. One cannot find the raw results.
...
To make matters worse, Brazil says they will mobilize 220,000 soldiers to fight the Zika virus. Soldiers are being ordered to go door-to-door to spray insecticides in neighborhoods to help kill mosquitoes.
...
have also suggested women stop getting pregnant until the crisis has passed. Now, there’s a definite win for Bill Gates’ population control agenda.
Posted By: Alchemy

Re: SWINE FLU - 12/27/16 02:56 PM

Originally Posted By: kland
No doubt! Have you looked at some of the ingredients in them?

If CDC created the bird flu from incubating human viruses with whatever are in bird eggs (bird viruses), what would happen if they incubated human viruses in insects?

Last I heard on Science Friday, that's what they're planning on doing.

Imagine what kind of illnesses that would generate! Whether directly or indirectly through injecting insect molecules into humans.

Horse, cow, bird, monkey, and now insects.


Creating diseases that would exist in nature otherwise. And this is done by supposedly very intelligent people!

The intellect has fallen everyone.
Posted By: kland

Re: SWINE FLU - 12/29/16 04:23 PM

Zika Hoax
(NaturalNews) Despite all the public hoopla, all the cases of microcephaly being discovered in Brazil have never been scientifically linked to the Zika virus. A group of doctors from South America are now saying the brain deformations the world is witnessing are caused by the mass fumigation of low-income Brazilian people with a chemical larvicide, not by mosquitoes carrying the Zika virus.
Posted By: Daryl

Re: SWINE FLU - 01/20/22 11:59 PM

From Swine Flue to Covid with the Swine Flue still in existence as the common flu today.
Posted By: kland

Re: SWINE FLU - 01/26/22 03:10 PM

This is very interesting looking back.

Little did we know how relevant that would be for today!

From the Natural News site:
Quote
There is a very organized and structured system among us to coordinate the release of a weaponized flu with the goal of killing people at unprecedented rates. The pneumonic plague now being witnessed
in the Ukraine may be just the beginning of this global effort.

SARS, Avian Flu, and Swine flu appear to have been just trials for deadlier killers such as the current pneumonic plague which is likely another weaponized strain similar to H1N1. Perhaps the pneumonic plague itself is another trial for something more lethal.
Hmmm, something more lethal, or something more global, or something more to control the people -- such as COVID-19...Look for it in 4 more years.

Originally Posted by gordonb1
Elle & Dedication: It appears the Ukraine panic is a heightened version of the world 'pandemic' scare - very good for profits & politics. Ukraine is in an election race.
Elections seem to drive pandemics. Didn't that turn out again.

Originally Posted by dedication

I don't know how much is "fear mongering" and how much is truth.
The story changes as the days go by.
....
I hope it is only propaganda --
Every year some people come down with the flu, most recover, some don't.

The best precaution is to have a strong immune system.

Wow. How insightful!

Originally Posted by dedication
Almost four years after this thread was first active --
we can honestly say it was all a big FEAR mongering.
A ploy to promote and enforce vaccinations.

The US government is plotting to get the power to inject whatever they put in their inoculation mixture into every person on the planet!
...
Further research on this move --
shows a plan to enforce vaccinations even if it takes military might to implement it. It's a world wide plan.

Freedom to decide what enters your body is being signed away.
Your own body becomes the property of the government to fill with chemicals at their will.

Could it be that Elle's promotion of a financial reset was just a little off, but was the beginning of the fear mongering to initiate it? Or that all the countries had actually been reset financially and were owned by whomever so that they could enforce the shutdowns?

If only we knew what their plan was.... there wouldn't have been anything we could have done about it. Just look above at this thread, we knew they wanted to manipulate and inject everyone. What could have been done to stop it?
Posted By: kland

Re: SWINE FLU - 01/26/22 03:21 PM

Originally Posted by kland
Now, the government agencies admit that vaccines DO NOT prevent disease, but lessens the symptoms. Now how does one measure "lessens symptoms" if they couldn't show it prevented disease when they claimed so, let alone do a controlled study?
I had forgotten about that. Guess this wasn't a new thing about vaccines only ambiguously lessening symptoms, but they had prepared for covid-19 long before they released it. I still say the "19" was the 19th iteration or attempt.
Posted By: Daryl

Re: SWINE FLU - 01/29/22 12:37 PM

Did you already watch the interesting information contained in the video at the following link?

https://www.oann.com/fauci-hhs-offi...ersal-vaccines-in-footage-from-oct-2019/
Posted By: kland

Re: SWINE FLU - 01/31/22 03:18 PM

No I hadn't. That's appalling. But not surprising from what we've been seeing of fauci. So it should actually be called the fauci flu.
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