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Re: You mean I cant have faith only?!
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04/18/05 04:56 AM
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Thats right Barry.Church is not a resort It takes a little work to go out into the world and make disciples of all nations, visit the bed ridden, look after the less fortunate with their needs, share the Gospel with those who have never heard about Jesus. This all takes work, and we will be judged according to what we have done. God Bless, Will
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Re: You mean I cant have faith only?!
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04/18/05 05:46 AM
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It is interesting that when Jesus was asked how one could be saved, he quoted commandments. This would seem to indicate that there has to be some form of giving and not only reciving.
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Re: You mean I cant have faith only?!
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04/19/05 02:43 PM
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A verse similar to the one Brandi's thinking about is this: Romans 10:9 "That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised Him from the dead, thou shalt be saved." Too many people stop right there. But we need to read on and see what Paul says in the very next verse: Romans 10:10 "For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation." "Righteousness" is right-doing. So what we do has much to do with whether we're truly Christians, whether we'll be saved in the end or not. Revelation 22:14 "Blessed are they that do His commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city." Indeed, Jesus said that "Not every one that saith unto Me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of My Father which is in heaven." Matthew 7:21.
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Re: You mean I cant have faith only?!
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04/20/05 03:17 AM
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quote: Originally posted by Brandi: There is a verse in the bible. I can not think of exactly where it is now. Believe in the Lord thy God and ye shall be saved. Is that a lie? It says, ALL I have to do is to BELIEVE in the Lord God and I shall be saved! Why would Jesus lie about something like this? I do not think He would. So, if it says this in the bible, why would I or anyone else believe that one must work his/her way into heaven??
Acts 16:30 And brought them out, and said, Sirs, what must I do to be saved? 16:31 And they said, Believe on {not "in"} the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house.
What does the word "saved" mean? Saved from what? According to one angel it means, "And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name JESUS: for he shall save his people from their sins." Mat 1:21.
And, according to Jesus, to believe on Him means to behave like Him. "Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father." John 14:12. Jesus told people to behold His works in order to believe in Him. He also said, regarding born again believers, "Ye shall know them by their fruits." Mat 7:16. Which is how and why our eternal destiny is based on our words and works. "Every idle word that men shall speak, they shall give account thereof in the day of judgment." Mat 12:36. "They were judged every man according to their works." Rev 20:13.
John 10:37 If I do not the works of my Father, believe me not. 10:38 But if I do, though ye believe not me, believe the works: that ye may know, and believe, that the Father [is] in me, and I in him.
John 14:11 Believe me that I [am] in the Father, and the Father in me: or else believe me for the very works' sake.
Matthew 7:16 Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles? 7:17 Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit. 7:18 A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither [can] a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit. 7:19 Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire. 7:20 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.
Matthew 12:36 But I say unto you, That every idle word that men shall speak, they shall give account thereof in the day of judgment. 12:37 For by thy words thou shalt be justified, and by thy words thou shalt be condemned.
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Re: You mean I cant have faith only?!
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04/19/05 05:24 PM
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quote: Dear friends, we have these promises from God, so we should make ourselves pure -- free from anything that makes body or soul unclean. We should try to become holy in the way we live, because we respect God. 2 Corinthians 7:1
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Re: You mean I cant have faith only?!
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04/19/05 05:57 PM
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For the benefit of us non-english natives. Whats the difference between believing on someone or in someone?
/Thomas
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Re: You mean I cant have faith only?!
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04/19/05 08:05 PM
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Quote: posted by ThomasWhats the difference between believing on someone or in someone? |
Thomas, as it applies to scripture, “believe on” is just the Old English way of saying “believe in”. That’s why most modern English translations say “believe in”. Of course believing in or on Jesus is having faith in Him that He is who He says He is, and that He can do what He claims—save us, cleanse us, create in us a new heart—and then follow His call to follow Him.
Faith is the opposite of doubt. The fruit of belief is essentially what Mike is talking about and this fruit can’t help but manifest itself in a believer in Jesus Christ. Where fruit is lacking, doubt is mingled in the roots somewhere. But we don’t require the verse to say “on” for us to understand that.
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Re: You mean I cant have faith only?!
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04/19/05 08:05 PM
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To believe "on" Jesus is like building "on" a foundation of rock. The devils believe in the existence of Jesus, but they do not believe on Him.
James 2:19 Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble.
Actually, though, the Greek word for "on" and "in" is the same word (i.e., Eis). But, the Greek meaning changes, depending on the context. To reflect these changes the English must employ different words.
The concepts of believing "on" Jesus and being "in" Christ are similar. "There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit." Rom 8:1. The Greek word "in" is a different word (i.e., En).
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Re: You mean I cant have faith only?!
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04/22/05 01:08 AM
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But the doctrine is now largely taught that the gospel of Christ has made the law of God of none effect; that by "believing" we are released from the necessity of being doers of the word. But this is the doctrine of the Nicolaitans, which Christ so unsparingly condemned. To the church of Ephesus He says, "I know thy works, and thy labour, and thy patience, and how thou canst not bear them which are evil: and thou hast tried them which say they are apostles, and are not, and hast found them liars; and hast borne, and hast patience, and for My name's sake hast laboured, and hast not fainted. Nevertheless I have somewhat against thee, because thou hast left thy first love. Remember then from whence thou art fallen, and repent, and do the first works; or else I will come unto thee quickly, and will remove thy candlestick out of his place, except thou repent. But this thou hast, that thou hatest the deeds of the Nicolaitans, which I also hate." {BEcho, February 8, 1897 par. 6}
Those who are teaching this doctrine today have much to say in regard to faith and the righteousness of Christ; but they pervert the truth, and make it serve the cause of error. They declare that we have only to believe on Jesus Christ, and that faith is all-sufficient: that the righteousness of Christ is to be the sinner's credentials; that this imputed righteousness fulfills the law for us, and that we are under no obligation to obey the law of God. This class claim that Christ came to save sinners, and that He has saved them. "I am saved," they will repeat over and over again. But are they saved while transgressing the law of Jehovah?--No; for the garments of Christ's righteousness are not a cloak for iniquity. Such teaching is a gross deception, and Christ becomes to these persons a stumbling block as He did to the Jews,--to the Jews, because they would not receive Him as their personal Saviour, to these professed believers in Christ, because they separate Christ and the law, and regard faith as a substitute for obedience. They separate the Father and the Son, the Saviour of the world. Virtually they teach, both by precept and example, that Christ, by His death, saves men in their transgressions. {BEcho, February 8, 1897 par. 7}
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Re: You mean I cant have faith only?!
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04/22/05 05:56 AM
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Jeff says one thing, Mike another, who is right?
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