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Worldliness in the Church #7057
07/03/05 11:02 AM
07/03/05 11:02 AM
Will  Offline OP
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Posts: 2,332
BC, Canada
Times are changing and more and more churches feel that they can do it there way instead of God's way. Sister White has written what I have found to be a powerful chapter dealing with worldliness in the Church.
quote:

Testimonies for the Church Volume 5 (1882-1889)

It is recorded of the holy men of old that God was not ashamed to be called their God. The reason assigned is that instead of coveting earthly possessions or seeking happiness in worldly plans or aspirations they placed their all upon the altar of God and made disposition of it to build up His kingdom. They lived only for God's glory and declared plainly that they were strangers and pilgrims on earth, seeking a better country, that is, an heavenly. Their conduct proclaimed their faith. God could entrust to them His truth and could leave the world to receive from them a knowledge of His will. {5T 188.1}

But how are the professed people of God today maintaining the honor of His name? How could the world infer that they are a peculiar people? What evidence do they give of citizenship in heaven? Their self-indulgent, ease-loving course falsifies the character of Christ. He could not honor them in any marked manner before the world without endorsing their false representation of His character. {5T 188.2}

I speak to the church at Battle Creek: What testimony are you bearing to the world? As your course was presented before me, I was pointed to the dwellings recently erected by our people in that city. These buildings are so many monuments of your unbelief of the doctrines which you profess to hold. They are preaching sermons more effective than any delivered from the pulpit. I saw worldlings point to them with jesting and ridicule, as a denial of our faith. They proclaimed that which the owners have been saying in their hearts: "My Lord delayeth His coming." {5T 188.3}

I looked upon the dress and listened to the conversation of many who profess the truth. Both were opposed to the principles of truth. Dress and conversation reveal that which is most treasured by those who claim to be pilgrims and strangers on
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the earth. "They are of the world: therefore speak they of the world, and the world heareth them." {5T 188.4}

Puritan plainness and simplicity should mark the dwellings and apparel of all who believe the solemn truths for this time. All means needlessly expended in dress or in the adorning of our houses is a waste of our Lord's money. It is defrauding the cause of God for the gratification of pride. Our institutions are burdened with debt, and how can we expect the Lord to answer our prayers for their prosperity when we are not doing what we can do to relieve them from embarrassment? {5T 189.1}

I would address you as Christ addressed Nicodemus: "Ye must be born again." Those who have Christ ruling within will feel no desire to imitate the world's display. They will carry everywhere the standard of the cross, ever bearing witness of higher aims and nobler themes than those in which worldlings are absorbed. Our dress, our dwellings, our conversation, should testify of our consecration to God. What power would attend those who thus evinced that they had given up all for Christ. God would not be ashamed to acknowledge them as His children. He would bless His devoted people, and the unbelieving world would fear Him. {5T 189.2}

Christ longs to work mightily by His Spirit for the conviction and conversion of sinners. But, according to His divine plan, the work must be performed through the instrumentality of His church; and her members have so far departed from Him that He cannot accomplish His will through them. He chooses to work by means, yet the means employed must be in harmony with His character. {5T 189.3}

Who are there in Battle Creek that are faithful and true? Let them come over on the Lord's side. If we would be in a position where God can use us, we must have an individual faith and an individual experience. Only those who trust wholly in God are safe now. We must not follow any human example or lean upon any human support. Many are
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constantly taking wrong positions and making wrong moves; if we trust to their guidance we shall be misled. {5T 189.4}

Some who profess to be spokesmen for God are in their daily life denying the faith. They present to the people important truths; but who are impressed by these truths? who are convicted of sin? The hearers know that those who are preaching today will tomorrow be the first to join in pleasure, mirth, and frivolity. Their influence out of the pulpit soothes the conscience of the impenitent and causes the ministry to be despised. They are themselves asleep upon the very verge of the eternal world. The blood of souls is upon their garments. {5T 190.1}

How are the faithful servants of Christ employed? "Praying always with all prayer and supplication in the Spirit," praying in the closet, in the family, in the congregation, everywhere; "and watching thereunto with all perseverance." They feel that souls are in peril, and with earnest, humble faith they plead the promises of God in their behalf. The ransom paid by Christ--the atonement on the cross--is ever before them. They will have souls as seals of their ministry. {5T 190.2}

The rebuke of the Lord is upon His people for their pride and unbelief. He will not restore unto them the joys of His salvation while they are departing from the instructions of His word and His Spirit. He will give grace to those who fear Him and walk in the truth, and He will withdraw His blessing from all that assimilate to the world. Mercy and truth are promised to the humble and penitent, and judgments are denounced against the rebellious. {5T 190.3}

The church at Battle Creek might have stood free from idolatry, and her faithfulness would have been an example to other churches. But she is more willing to depart from God's commandments than to renounce the friendship of the world. She is joined to the idols which she has chosen; and because temporal prosperity and the favor of a wicked world are hers,
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she believes herself to be rich toward God. This will prove to many a fatal delusion. Her divine character and spiritual strength have departed from her. {5T 190.4}

I counsel this church to give heed to the Saviour's admonition: "Remember therefore from whence thou art fallen, and repent, and do the first works; or else I will come unto thee quickly, and will remove thy candlestick out of his place, except thou repent."

God Bless,
Will

Re: Worldliness in the Church #7058
07/03/05 11:44 AM
07/03/05 11:44 AM
Ikan  Offline
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Funny: this Testimony sounds very modern, doesn't it? It amazes me how we think we have changed since this 1888 period...but have we?

Testimonies #5 is the pivotal EGW book along with Testimonies to Ministers; these two are rarely studied by most SDAs.

Have you read them?

Re: Worldliness in the Church #7059
07/03/05 04:35 PM
07/03/05 04:35 PM
Davros  Offline
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Posts: 1,009
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Hey Will & Phil!

I'm thinking you probobly know how I feel about this topic before I post.

quote:
Conformity Lowers Standards.--Conformity to worldly customs converts the church to the world; it never converts the world to Christ. Familiarity with sin will inevitably cause it to appear less repulsive. He who chooses to associate with the servants of Satan will soon cease to fear their master. When in the way of duty we are brought into trial, as was Daniel in the king's court, we may be sure that God will protect us; but if we place ourselves under temptation, we shall fall sooner or later.

Conformity Gradually Perverts Right Principles. --It is conformity to the world that is causing our people to lose their bearings. The perversion of right principles has not been brought about suddenly. The angel of the Lord presented this matter to me in symbols. It seemed as if a thief were stealthily moving closer and still closer and gradually but surely stealing away the identity of God's work by leading our brethren to conform to worldly policies.

The mind of man has taken the place that rightfully belongs to God. Whatever position a man may hold, however exalted he may be, he should act as Christ would were He in his place. In every stroke of work that he performs, in his words and in his character, he should be Christlike.

Unity, but Not at the Cost of Conformity.--Some who profess to be loyal to God's law have departed from the faith and have humiliated His people in the dust, representing them to be one with worldlings. God has seen and marked this. The time has come when, at any cost, we are to take the position that God has assigned to us.

Mind, Character, and Personality Volume 2, page 558 - 559

The MCP volumes have got to be my favorite compolations.

Re: Worldliness in the Church #7060
07/03/05 04:39 PM
07/03/05 04:39 PM
Mountain Man  Offline
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It is amazing how like the Battle Creek church some SDA churches are today. I wonder what they would think if they were ever to read this testimony? Perhaps they would lament the worldiness of another church? Or, maybe they would discount the SOP, maybe they would attempt to make it of none effect? It's alot easier to be worldly today, easier than it ever has been. The internet is a wonderful tool for good - but man, what an amazing tool for evil!

Re: Worldliness in the Church #7061
07/03/05 08:29 PM
07/03/05 08:29 PM
Will  Offline OP
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Joined: Apr 2003
Posts: 2,332
BC, Canada
I stumbled across Testimonies vol5 while doing some reading on vance farrels site, and also Selected Messages which contains some very good counsel and prophetic words for times to come. I am planning on merging one of the topics created by Razorren regarding the sealing, and include it as a prelude to the chapter in Testimonies Volume 5 titled The Seal of God which is the chapter I started to read initially.
Each day that goes by I have been finding that my faith is strengthened by what God has given us, and am not afraid, nor embarrassed to let people know that Jesus is coming soon, that God's remnant people keep His commandments and have the Spirit of prophecy, which to me is a gift given by God and seen clearly in the writings of Ellen White.
Think about how many people have no shame in bragging about "partaking in the eucharist", or follow sci-fi authors like tim lahey selling books containing errors about the Second Coming of Jesus Christ.
I can go on, but you understand what I am saying, and basically the more I pray and study the more I am convinced about the truth regarding our message to give to the world, and I am speaking from a historic perspective, nevermind the progressive stuff. As reformeers we are to move forward, but this does not mean we can destroy the platforms of truth that have been built up by God fearing people of which are still relevant to our times.
God Bless,
Will

Re: Worldliness in the Church #7062
07/05/05 10:18 PM
07/05/05 10:18 PM
razorren  Offline
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Joined: Jul 2004
Posts: 275
Bahamas
quote:
Originally posted by Will:
I stumbled across Testimonies vol5 while doing some reading on vance farrels site, and also Selected Messages which contains some very good counsel and prophetic words for times to come. I am planning on merging one of the topics created by Razorren regarding the sealing, and include it as a prelude to the chapter in Testimonies Volume 5 titled The Seal of God which is the chapter I started to read initially.
Each day that goes by I have been finding that my faith is strengthened by what God has given us, and am not afraid, nor embarrassed to let people know that Jesus is coming soon, that God's remnant people keep His commandments and have the Spirit of prophecy, which to me is a gift given by God and seen clearly in the writings of Ellen White....Will

Looking forward to your post Will.

--Ren


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