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Re: Would Jesus Eat Today's Meat? [Re: gordonb1] #122432
12/27/09 12:30 AM
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It seems to me that Jesus was more concerned with what came out of the mouth than what went into it. (Mark 7:14-16)


"All that is Gold does not Glitter, Not all who Wander are Lost." (J.R.R.T.)
Re: Would Jesus Eat Today's Meat? [Re: gordonb1] #122466
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Originally Posted By: gordonb1
Outreach for vegetables?

Ha! Sort of.

Re: Would Jesus Eat Today's Meat? [Re: JAK] #122467
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Originally Posted By: JAK
It seems to me that Jesus was more concerned with what came out of the mouth than what went into it. (Mark 7:14-16)

Would it be accurate to say Jesus is equally concerned with both? And, can we say under no circumstances would Jesus eat meat nowadays?

Re: Would Jesus Eat Today's Meat? [Re: Green Cochoa] #122597
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Originally Posted By: Green Cochoa
The unclean meats were unclean because of their diseases. An individual protein or DNA isolated from the unclean animal cannot give us worms, parasites, germs, bacteria, or other pathogens.
Do you think worms, parasites, germs, bacteria, or other pathogens is the only reason they were unclean and if we could have a way to insure sterilization of them, there would be no objection to eating unclean meat?

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However, where I see a big problem is more in the realm of general body chemistry. Suppose, for example, that you have developed an allergy to cows' milk.
Good point. Suppose everyone really has an allergy to cows' milk since we were never designed to drink it. That is my point, in that we should object to splicing genes since they are inserting proteins and DNA fragments that we were not designed to eat. However, for someone who drinks cows' milk or eat frog, is there any objection?

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God was so careful in giving the Israelites regulations on purity as to tell them not to sow their fields with diverse kinds of seeds.
He also told them not to mix different materials in clothing. How does that relate? If it doesn't, does mixing seeds in fields relate? Would Jesus today plant a mono-crop field or would he plant a mixed and environmentally sustainable field? Would Jesus be for large fields of single crop with low genetic variability (think the corn issue a few decades ago in Texas) or would He be for organizations like The Land Institute?

Re: Would Jesus Eat Today's Meat? [Re: kland] #122693
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Originally Posted By: kland
Originally Posted By: Green Cochoa
The unclean meats were unclean because of their diseases. An individual protein or DNA isolated from the unclean animal cannot give us worms, parasites, germs, bacteria, or other pathogens.
Do you think worms, parasites, germs, bacteria, or other pathogens is the only reason they were unclean and if we could have a way to insure sterilization of them, there would be no objection to eating unclean meat?

No, I left one item off the list that I forgot to include: toxins. As we see with shellfish and other unclean animals, toxins build up in their system--things like mercury, DDT, lead, arsenic, etc. So you would have to do more than merely sterilize--detoxification would also be required, and this is virtually impossible to do.
Originally Posted By: kland
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However, where I see a big problem is more in the realm of general body chemistry. Suppose, for example, that you have developed an allergy to cows' milk.
Good point. Suppose everyone really has an allergy to cows' milk since we were never designed to drink it. That is my point, in that we should object to splicing genes since they are inserting proteins and DNA fragments that we were not designed to eat. However, for someone who drinks cows' milk or eat frog, is there any objection?

I think allergies are of the devil, and God did not design them. So I don't believe that we must necessarily have an allergy simply on account of not having been designed for something. To take it one step further to illustrate my point, you may notice that the original diet did not include vegetables. Those appear to have been for the animals' sustenance. Our original diet was to have been grains, fruits and nuts (listed in that order in Genesis 1:29, which also constitutes the order of quantities, as in the food chart/pyramid). However, I don't think we have any natural allergies to carrots and potatoes, simply because we were not designed to eat them.
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God was so careful in giving the Israelites regulations on purity as to tell them not to sow their fields with diverse kinds of seeds.
He also told them not to mix different materials in clothing. How does that relate? If it doesn't, does mixing seeds in fields relate? Would Jesus today plant a mono-crop field or would he plant a mixed and environmentally sustainable field? Would Jesus be for large fields of single crop with low genetic variability (think the corn issue a few decades ago in Texas) or would He be for organizations like The Land Institute?
The clothing issue had little to do with health, and much to do with an object lesson of purity. You see, in the Bible, God uses the skin and clothing to represent character. The lamb brought to be sacrificed was also required to have no blot or blemish in its skin, for it represented the Perfect Sacrifice who had no sin. Christ's robe of righteousness represents His character--and we are counseled to obtain and wear it. However, there is no store on planet earth which sells these robes. We must accept them by faith. The Israelites were to have pure robes for this imagery, and not specifically for health reasons.

Blessings,

Green Cochoa.


We can receive of heaven's light only as we are willing to be emptied of self. We can discern the character of God, and accept Christ by faith, only as we consent to the bringing into captivity of every thought to the obedience of Christ. And to all who do this, the Holy Spirit is given without measure. In Christ "dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily. And ye are complete in Him." [Colossians 2:9, 10.] {GW 57.1} -- Ellen White.
Re: Would Jesus Eat Today's Meat? [Re: Green Cochoa] #122836
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Originally Posted By: Green Cochoa
To take it one step further to illustrate my point, you may notice that the original diet did not include vegetables.

Could you expound upon the idea vegetables weren't included in the original diet?

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Those appear to have been for the animals' sustenance. Our original diet was to have been grains, fruits and nuts (listed in that order in Genesis 1:29, which also constitutes the order of quantities, as in the food chart/pyramid). However, I don't think we have any natural allergies to carrots and potatoes, simply because we were not designed to eat them.

Genesis 1:29: "See, I have given you every herb that yields seed which is on the face of all the earth, and every tree whose fruit yields seed; to you it shall be for food.


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God was so careful in giving the Israelites regulations on purity as to tell them not to sow their fields with diverse kinds of seeds.
He also told them not to mix different materials in clothing. How does that relate? If it doesn't, does mixing seeds in fields relate? Would Jesus today plant a mono-crop field or would he plant a mixed and environmentally sustainable field? Would Jesus be for large fields of single crop with low genetic variability (think the corn issue a few decades ago in Texas) or would He be for organizations like The Land Institute?
The clothing issue had little to do with health, and much to do with an object lesson of purity. You see, in the Bible, God uses the skin and clothing to represent character. The lamb brought to be sacrificed was also required to have no blot or blemish in its skin, for it represented the Perfect Sacrifice who had no sin. Christ's robe of righteousness represents His character--and we are counseled to obtain and wear it. However, there is no store on planet earth which sells these robes. We must accept them by faith. The Israelites were to have pure robes for this imagery, and not specifically for health reasons.

And could it be the same reason with planting the crops?


Again,

for someone who drinks cows' milk or eat frog, is there any objection?

Re: Would Jesus Eat Today's Meat? [Re: kland] #122840
01/12/10 12:37 AM
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The way I understand it, green plants, vegetables, the "herb of the field," were added to our diet, after sin entered. (Gen. 3:18). Apparently, as long as we are in this world of sin, our bodies require the nutrients, and food elements, or something that these plants offer. Indeed, vegetables are known as protective foods and have a purifying rejuvenating effect that is absobulely essential to good health.

Vegetables are specifics in preventing and conquering many forms of cancer, etc. Indeed they are prevention basics, alleviating disease, detoxifying the body, improving the skin and boosting the immune system. Green foods and other deeply colored veggies with their rich supply of antioxidants are powerful, purifying, cleansing agents. Veggies are considered among the best medicine and have powerful healing ability.

Let us remember that the Lord knew what He was doing when He added these foods to our diet.

Suzanne

Re: Would Jesus Eat Today's Meat? [Re: Suzanne] #122843
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Originally Posted By: Ellen White
In order to know what are the best foods, we must study God's original plan for man's diet. He who created man and who understands his needs appointed Adam his food. "Behold," He said, "I have given you every herb yielding seed, . . . and every tree, in which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for food." Genesis 1:29, A.R.V. Upon leaving Eden to gain his livelihood by tilling the earth under the curse of sin, man received permission to eat also "the herb of the field." Genesis 3:18. {MH 295.3}

Blessings,

Green Cochoa.


We can receive of heaven's light only as we are willing to be emptied of self. We can discern the character of God, and accept Christ by faith, only as we consent to the bringing into captivity of every thought to the obedience of Christ. And to all who do this, the Holy Spirit is given without measure. In Christ "dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily. And ye are complete in Him." [Colossians 2:9, 10.] {GW 57.1} -- Ellen White.
Re: Would Jesus Eat Today's Meat? [Re: Green Cochoa] #123142
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Genesis 1:29, A.R.V. Upon leaving Eden to gain his livelihood by tilling the earth under the curse of sin, man received permission to eat also "the herb of the field." Genesis 3:18.

Am I correct in that you are making an association of "herb of the field" with vegetables?

Re: Would Jesus Eat Today's Meat? [Re: gordonb1] #123266
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Here's a question...

Is it possible to eat vegan without eating beans, nuts or gluten?

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