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Why is the Higgs Boson important? #137544
11/17/11 06:44 AM
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Blessings everyone,

I don't know where else to post this. I hope it doesn't bother anyone that it's here.

Anyway, this is about evolution and why I don't except evolution as accurate or truthful.

I have a video your can watch from an evolutionist. I believe him to be honest and his information accurate. I hope it's not too long.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y-vKh_jKX7Q

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Re: Why is the Higgs Boson important? [Re: Alchemy] #137547
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I believe it's important to realize how evolutionists believe the universe was created. You see, scientists believe the Standard Model is the best explanation for how mass and matter formed in the universe. The Standard Model is one of, if not the most substantiated scientific theory or model in all of science.

But, there are two major problems with it. One, it seems to work well with three of the four energy forces in nature, the weak and strong nuclear forces and electromagnetism. But, the fourth force is gravity, and the Standard Model can't handle gravity at all.

The second major problem is that the Standard Model seems to predict that all particles are massless. Well, we all know this is wrong because we pick up and touch mass and matter all the time!

And it's this second issue that the Higgs Boson will hopefully address. You see, the Higgs Boson is the particle associated with the Higgs Field. And the Higgs Field is what gives all particles in the universe their mass. It is believed that as massless particles travel throughout the universe, some will interact with this Higgs Field and obtain mass. Some will not interact with the Higgs Field and remain massless, like the photon which is a light particle. And it is this field, if it exist, that is very exciting.

There are two points about this Higgs Field as well. First point about the Higgs Field is that it is completely responsible for the creation of all mass, and therefore matter throughout the universe. Scientifically speaking, it must also be omnipresent! That means it must be completely self existing. There isn't any room in the math for the power and ability of this Higgs Field.

The second point about this Higgs Field revolves around what scientists call the cosmological constant. I will try to explain this before I continue. When Einstein was working on his theory of general relativity, he noticed it didn't work well in a static universe. You see, at that time before 1920, the universe was thought to be static in size. It was neither expanding nor contracting.

So, what Einstein did because there was room in the math, was create the cosmological constant and plugged a phony value into the equation and it worked great! Well, just a few years later Hubble realized the universe is actually expanding and was thought to prove Einstein's cosmological constant wrong. Einstein lamented his mistake and called the cosmological constant his biggest blunder. Well, now the cosmological constant is back and has a real value.

This brings me back to the Higgs Field. Based on the estimated size of the Higgs Boson, because it hasn't been found yet, the density of this Higgs Field is thought to be over one trillion tons of mass per cubic centimeter! A cubic centimeter is slightly bigger than 1/3 of an inch. That is a huge amount of mass per every cubic centimeter in the entire universe! This Higgs Field is in all space, including the space between you and your computer! This is an obvious problem because that would crush everything we could imagine in life as we know it. And now we know the cosmological constant has a value of about one proton per cubic foot.

Well, Einstein's e=mc2 tells us that mass and energy are interchangeable. So, that means there is another field, an ad-hoc field, that is canceling out all that mass throughout the universe. You see, there isn't any room in the math for this field either! Scientists have no idea what this field is or how to measure it, but it must be huge!

They are searching for this Higgs Boson at the LHC as I write this, we'll see what science comes up with next.

Re: Why is the Higgs Boson important? [Re: Alchemy] #137554
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1. And it is this field, if it exist, that is very exciting. . . . Based on the estimated size of the Higgs Boson, because it hasn't been found yet, the density of this Higgs Field is thought to be over one trillion tons of mass per cubic centimeter!

2. So, that means there is another field, an ad-hoc field, that is canceling out all that mass throughout the universe. You see, there isn't any room in the math for this field either! Scientists have no idea what this field is or how to measure it, but it must be huge!

Is there a need to figure out why something that hasn't been proven must be cancelled out by another field?

Re: Why is the Higgs Boson important? [Re: Mountain Man] #137663
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An interesting topic. It will take me a couple days to compile and address all of the points brought up by Alchemy on the Higgs Boson. I do believe my physics model provides answers to this.

The First Flash model does succeed in proving the E=Mc^2 equation of Relativity to actually be E=McV. The change also fully contains a foundational equation of quantum mechanics. This, from a fundimental standpoint, unites the two, but also changes the two theories, forever. Revealing a duality of time-space dimensions, linear and curved combining to create phasic time-space dimensions.

It's the effect of combining the two that ushers in the wierdness of gravitation. It can be reduced to the idea of a Higgs boson particle, but such a premise would disregard it's wave properties. All things have a particle/wave duality to them, caused by a matrix of linear and curved dimensions of both space and time.

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Re: Why is the Higgs Boson important? [Re: JCS] #137777
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With God nothing is impossible when it comes to mass, weight, gravity, speed, etc.

God can also bend space, time, speed, laws, etc. to get His angels, etc. from point A to point B.

We think of travelling in the realm of the speed of light, which is 186,000 feet per second, but how fast is the speed of thought from point A (Heaven) to point B (Earth), or vice-versa? In other words, you think yourself there, as in point A (Heaven) from point B (Earth) and, suddenly, you are there. How can that be measured, or can it be?


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Re: Why is the Higgs Boson important? [Re: Mountain Man] #137867
12/03/11 08:38 AM
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Originally Posted By: Mountain Man
1. And it is this field, if it exist, that is very exciting. . . . Based on the estimated size of the Higgs Boson, because it hasn't been found yet, the density of this Higgs Field is thought to be over one trillion tons of mass per cubic centimeter!

2. So, that means there is another field, an ad-hoc field, that is canceling out all that mass throughout the universe. You see, there isn't any room in the math for this field either! Scientists have no idea what this field is or how to measure it, but it must be huge!

Is there a need to figure out why something that hasn't been proven must be cancelled out by another field?


LOLOL...

The only reason I can think of is "faith"!

Re: Why is the Higgs Boson important? [Re: Daryl] #137868
12/03/11 08:41 AM
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Originally Posted By: Daryl F
With God nothing is impossible when it comes to mass, weight, gravity, speed, etc.

God can also bend space, time, speed, laws, etc. to get His angels, etc. from point A to point B.

We think of travelling in the realm of the speed of light, which is 186,000 feet per second, but how fast is the speed of thought from point A (Heaven) to point B (Earth), or vice-versa? In other words, you think yourself there, as in point A (Heaven) from point B (Earth) and, suddenly, you are there. How can that be measured, or can it be?


Amen Brother,

I don't see how the speed of thought can be measured. Maybe God can explain that to us personally.

Re: Why is the Higgs Boson important? [Re: Alchemy] #137960
12/07/11 12:59 PM
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One biblical example of this type of sudden movement could be found in the following:
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Acts 8:39 And when they were come up out of the water, the Spirit of the Lord caught away Philip, that the eunuch saw him no more: and he went on his way rejoicing.

In other words, Philip was transported away from there to another location beyond the sight of the eunuch.


In His Love, Mercy & Grace,

Daryl smile

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Re: Why is the Higgs Boson important? [Re: Daryl] #137961
12/07/11 01:38 PM
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Another example that comes to my mind is the experience of Saul/Paul on the road to Damascus:
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Acts 9:3 And as he journeyed, he came near Damascus: and suddenly there shined round about him a light from heaven:

This happened suddenly, which means the light travelled from heaven and instantly shone upon Saul/Paul on the road to Damascus.

How fast did that light travel so many light years away and how did it travel such a distance instantly?


In His Love, Mercy & Grace,

Daryl smile

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