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Re: "Ordination" from strictly the Biblical perspective [Re: Green Cochoa] #162565
02/28/14 04:14 PM
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And what is your definition of "ordain"? Does it mean, "to enact"? Does it mean the same as ordaining Pastors and Elders?

Re: "Ordination" from strictly the Biblical perspective [Re: Green Cochoa] #162589
02/28/14 07:47 PM
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Adam was the high priest, he was our patriarch, the eldest of our tribe, created first. One of the 24 elders before the throne.

This is the order of heaven and it is a test for the worldly inside of the church who will fall away as soon as persecution arises. You are being wieghed in the ballance right now.


Search me oh God and know my heart, test me and know my anxious thoughts, see if there is any offensive way in me and lead me to the way everlasting. Amen
Re: "Ordination" from strictly the Biblical perspective [Re: Green Cochoa] #162610
03/01/14 04:27 AM
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Originally Posted By: jsot
When there is no man to do the job God will use a woman.

Good point. Jesus choose her. Of the thousands of faithful Jewish men who had not bowed the knee to false gods Jesus chose Deborah to judge Israel.

Re: "Ordination" from strictly the Biblical perspective [Re: Mountain Man] #162611
03/01/14 04:33 AM
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Originally Posted By: Mountain Man
Originally Posted By: jsot
When there is no man to do the job God will use a woman.

Good point. Jesus choose her. Of the thousands of faithful Jewish men who had not bowed the knee to false gods Jesus chose Deborah to judge Israel.


There were no faithful servants to do the deed. She was the only one. The king had no faith in the people because they had no faith. She was used to support the king not to userp his position as king or the position of the priests.

But she was the first to point out to the king that this was a mistake, she told him that he should lead the people but he refused so she had to step up. But she was still NEVER ordained.


Search me oh God and know my heart, test me and know my anxious thoughts, see if there is any offensive way in me and lead me to the way everlasting. Amen
Re: "Ordination" from strictly the Biblical perspective [Re: Green Cochoa] #162613
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There was no king. Only judges. Jesus "raised" her "up".

Re: "Ordination" from strictly the Biblical perspective [Re: Green Cochoa] #162633
03/01/14 03:52 PM
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Green must be commended for the work that he has done in this thread in listing the various Biblical verses that contain a word that he wants to comment upon.

In accord with his thinking on the various translations, he has used the KJV, I believe.

He certainly has a point when he suggests that we look mainly at what the Bible says, rather that what people say about the Bible.

It must be noted that in his work he has demonstrated the problems that occur when a person who does not know and understand the language attempt to determine what the Bible says based upon a translation into English from the Biblical language.

I will give but one example from those that exist.

Look at his citation of Acts 14:23 and its use of the English word "ordained.'

Transliterated (not translated) into English, the Greek word is "cheirotoneo."

That word does not mean ordained. The KJV translators went beyond the literal meaning of the Greek word when they translated it as "ordained." This is just one example of the KJV translators doing such.

The Greek word more literally means: "to extend the hand." It is typically used in situations where thee has been an election, such as would occur where people were asked to raise their hands in a vote on an issue.

In a search for the Biblical meaning and teaching one is informed by knowledge of the Biblical languages and there is value in looking beyond the mere English meaning.

Yes, God has protected his Word. God has preserved it in a form that the common person can read and understand.

But, it is unwise to place full faith and credit in any one translation to the exclusion of others.




Last edited by Gregory; 03/01/14 04:19 PM.

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Re: "Ordination" from strictly the Biblical perspective [Re: Gregory] #162663
03/01/14 11:51 PM
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In a previous post I said:
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Look at his citation of Acts 14:23 and its use of the English word "ordained.'

Transliterated (not translated) into English, the Greek word is "cheirotoneo."

That word does not mean ordained. The KJV translators went beyond the literal meaning of the Greek word when they translated it as "ordained." This is just one example of the KJV translators doing such.

The Greek word more literally means: "to extend the hand." It is typically used in situations where thee has been an election, such as would occur where people were asked to raise their hands in a vote on an issue.


This is an example of the bias that the KJV translators had.

NOTE: God has preserved His word, but He has preserved it in imperfect translations.


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Re: "Ordination" from strictly the Biblical perspective [Re: Mountain Man] #162691
03/02/14 11:24 AM
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Originally Posted By: Mountain Man
There was no king. Only judges. Jesus "raised" her "up".


You are so right. There were no kings in Israel in the days of the judges.

It would be much easier to have a dialog with people who have read their Bibles and know the WORD of God.


"Here is a last piece of advice. If you believe in goodness and if you value the approval of God, fix your minds on the things which are holy and right and pure and beautiful and good. Model your conduct on what you have learned from me, on what I have told you and shown you, and you will find the God of peace will be with you."
Re: "Ordination" from strictly the Biblical perspective [Re: Green Cochoa] #162692
03/02/14 11:30 AM
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I'm locking this thread temporarily for some thread cleanup/splitting. The topic has shifted, and needs to be divided so that the original topic can continue.

EDIT: Thread cleanup is finished. Please remember that this thread is a Bible study, focused strictly on the Biblical aspects of ordination. There are other ordination threads where extra-Biblical resources can be brought in and discussed. Thank you for your courtesy in remembering this.

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Blessings,

Green Cochoa.

Last edited by Green Cochoa; 03/02/14 12:31 PM.

We can receive of heaven's light only as we are willing to be emptied of self. We can discern the character of God, and accept Christ by faith, only as we consent to the bringing into captivity of every thought to the obedience of Christ. And to all who do this, the Holy Spirit is given without measure. In Christ "dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily. And ye are complete in Him." [Colossians 2:9, 10.] {GW 57.1} -- Ellen White.
Re: "Ordination" from strictly the Biblical perspective [Re: jamesonofthunder] #162990
03/05/14 11:19 PM
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Originally Posted By: jamesonofthunder
There were no faithful servants to do the deed. She was the only one. The king had no faith in the people because they had no faith. She was used to support the king not to userp his position as king or the position of the priests. But she was the first to point out to the king that this was a mistake, she told him that he should lead the people but he refused so she had to step up. But she was still NEVER ordained.

Perhaps this what I prepared for you will help:



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