I'm sorry. Perhaps I did not make myself clear. This is my question...to you. Why would you possibly trust your eternal Salvation and understanding of Scripture to someone with a mental disorder?

Green Cochoa wanted to know why I held a dim view of Ellen White; this is why he started this thread. I have listed some of my concerns.

Pick one.

I don't trust my salvation to Ellen White, but I’m grateful for her writings, for they have helped me a lot in my Christian walk. As I said, I've read much of her writings, I've tested them, I've discussed them, and I don't believe at all that they are the product of a mental disorder. On the contrary, I'm convinced that she is a true prophet of God. So, your reality and mine are completely different. Well, if that's ok we could begin with the discrepancies you see in her theology.

Indeed, Rosangela, context can make a big difference here. I was speaking of inspiration within the context of the scriptures. If they are or were not inspired by God, they would not be from God...because obviously, if they were from God they would have been inspired. (See 2 Timothy 3:16, 2 Peter 1:21.) This one goes both ways within this context. But when we adjust the context, the lines blur, and I can no longer be certain that we are still speaking truth.

For example, if we acknowledge that all wisdom and knowledge originates with God, can we say that God inspired the atomic bomb by giving to men this knowledge? Atomic bombs were not the context of what I was addressing. I was addressing scripture. The Bible says that "all scripture is given by inspiration of God." The only way for part of the Bible to fall outside of the definition of "inspired" would then be for it to not be considered "scripture." This is why those who give their own opinions relative to levels of inspiration are logically driven to the precipice of rejecting the Bible entirely as uninspired.

Blessings,

Green Cochoa.

GC,

Yes, context is all. I agree with your position.

Without much to go on, here is what I found:

Mt 26:34 Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee, That this night, before the cock crow, thou shalt deny me thrice.

Mr 14:30 And Jesus saith unto him, Verily I say unto thee, That this day, even in this night, before the cock crow twice, thou shalt deny me thrice.

Lu 22:34 And he said, I tell thee, Peter, the cock shall not crow this day, before that thou shalt thrice deny that thou knowest me.

Joh 13:38 Jesus answered him, Wilt thou lay down thy life for my sake? Verily, verily, I say unto thee, The cock shall not crow, till thou hast denied me thrice.

Seems to be all the same to me.

I didn’t quote the text as I have quoted this and brought this point many times before in this forums and nobody paid much attention, but I’m glad you brought it up. Where does the Lord say he sent false prophet in this text? I have underlined, marked it in red and bolded where. See above.

The Lord takes credit of the event by saying very explicitly that it is HE who proveth you with this "false" prophet so it will be reveal whether or not you will follow the Lord or not. We both know the Lord already knows your heart and your ways and how far you are from His ways. So the test is not for Him, but it is for you so you will come to see your own heart as it’s corruption and idolations is hidden to you.
For sure false prophets are good and very important for our own personal growth to come to know our own heart condition, how far we are from the Lord’s ways, and how little we know His laws and His ways.

It was good when the Lord sent Hananiah in the time the Lord sent Babylon to conquer Judah and bring them into captivity. The house of Judah needed to hear a true prophet(Jeremiah) and a false prophet(Hananiah). [Just a side note, as far as I know, no where in the OT calls anyone a “false prophet”. It is only in the NT there is a differentiation between the two. Maybe Hananiah spoke some words of truth in the past, we do not know, but we know he was a recognized prophet in those days.] This is often the case with all of us when facing a decision we hear two voices.

From Jeremiah 33 and other texts the Lord wants us to grow into men and woman able to stand on our own two feet knowing for ourselves His voice and walking in according to all His laws (and not just the 10Cs) for it is via the Laws of Moses truth(heart and mind of the Lord) is defined and the foundation of the plan of salvation is laid out. We are all personally responsible to test what we hear for ourselves against the only foundation given to us. And often, we need to be tested by a false prophet to reveal us our own heart. That happened to me so many times and today it got me to studying more indept His laws by which I’m still very far from understanding them.

For the case of Judah, since they didn’t study the laws and often relied what others said as we often do ourselves today; they didn’t recognize Jeremiah as being the true prophet and that generation suffered serious consequences for that. However, later generations found how far Judah was from the Lord’s ways and repented and learn their own heart susceptibility of idolization(Ez 14:1-11) which distorts what we see and hear and deviates us from the Lord.
The children of Israel refused the Spirit of the Lord at Pentecost (see post #152166 here), so the law was given to them in a language(physical language with symbols as types and shadows) they could understand since they could not understand spiritual things yet. The false prophet that was meant to be put to death in that TYPE was the man of sin still alive in you who tells you to not follow that voice that says to walk in the Lord’s ways. The new man in you(seed of Christ growing inside you) will never sin and will always speak the truth to you. So it is the old man of sin that is the false prophet that needs to be put to death, not the person that the Lord has sent to reveal to you your heart.

Also, if nobody listen to a physical false prophet(outside of you) by which many can be qualify as such oftentimes including myself as we all are far from knowing all the truth…..and so there are many false prophets today…… then by not taking heed to their false words or teachings, you are putting them(their voice, their spirit, their seed) to death in your mind. It is when you take head to their words and follow it that you keep that prophet alive which have "evil" consequence in your life. However these "evil" consequences could become "good" later on if it brings you to seeing your own heart. This is what that law means in spiritual realities and application.

I think you refuse to accept plain scripture. Do you consider “bad” or “evil” when the Lord sent Babylon(His servant) to take a remnant of Judah captive and destroying the rest? That was my point that often many will blind those type of plain scriptures in the Bible blaming all on Satan or the “evil” he has supposively brought when scripture is clear that it is the Lord that has brought this “evil”. Most fail to understand why the Lord has sent Babylon, that barbarian beastly king, in the first place. Do you consider “bad” of “evil” Mystery Babylon today or the Catholic Empire in the time of the inquisition? Are we going to continue what Israel did in the past by pointing our fingers at Babylon and labeling them as “bad” or “evil” when it was the Lord that gaved them power and sent them to correct us and to discipline us?

So why did the Lord had to send ancient Babylon at the first place to correct Israel? One main reason, it was because Israel loved their slaves and wanted to keep them as perpetual slaves and refused to restore them, refused to set them free every 7th year and refused to cancel all their debt during the Jubilee and return their land to them according to the law of the Lord. That’s why the Lord had to bring the next lesson of discipline to give them what they gave to their own slaves and made them slaves themselves. By the same measure, you will be judge.

No GC, what you consider as “good” or “evil” is not what the Lord has defined as “good” or “evil” in the Bible.

I agree with you, there are not discrepancies...just a very basic understanding of sentence structure[Grammar]is required.

Having being brought up a roman catholic; the spirit of prophecy was very instrumental in my leaving Catholicism and becoming an SDA. To this end, I will always be forever grateful for the vital role it has played in my life and eternal destiny.

Praise the Lord for this testimony. There will be countless souls in Heaven that are fruits of the prophetic ministry of Mrs. White.

God bless,

Green Cochoa.

Bumping this, as it was referred to in a very recent post in another thread.