Elle, in what way do you classify me as such? The haze of confusion wafting up from you confuses me. The pulling in of various things lends to confusion.

In what way have we not tested her?

Am I correct in attempting to part the haze that we are to understand you saying that Ellen White's writings are not to be trusted?

In the December's Adventist World, Ted Wilson, in "Why I Support and the Bible Ellen White", said

I believe and attest that the writings of the Spirit of Prophecy are believable and true because Ellen G. White and her prophetic ministry pass the four biblical tests of a prophet:
1. Her writings agree with the
Bible, fulfilling Isaiah 8:20.
2. Her life and works testify of her
connection with God, fulfilling Matthew 7:20.
3. Her prophecies have come to
pass, fulfilling Jeremiah 28:9.
4. Her writings lift up Christ and
affirm Him as the Son of God, who
came to this earth to save us, fulfilling 1 John 4:2.

Elle, do you agree or disagree with him?

Bumping this one, as I will be reviewing this thread.

Why or why not accept and believe in God as the Creator of all things and maker of man in His image. Man has to come up with a alternative that the universe just appeared by itself somehow and we come from lower forms of life somehow, think about it...

I appreciate the answer. In respond to your 3 points in respective order :

1)I agree that some of Ellen comments is point on scriptures however some other are not. As we have seen in some discussion here that even some writings conflicts with earlier writings. We have also seen here too many times in discussions that both sides of an argument are using EGW to support their position.

There's many reason for these.

One major one that I now understand is that we do not understand what is a prophet. Prophets are people just like us that needs to grow into their calling. Meaning that at time prophets misunderstand the word given to them. For the norm, interpretation is absent from the prophetic word given; so the interpretation of the word is a mystery until the Lord provides the interpretation which often is later to the generation that the prophesy applies to.

Also like any of us, they have their own misconception of who is the Lord. They do not see the Lord face to face yet or as He is yet. Prophetic words needs to be refined or defined by the Lord who will use other members of His body and the leading of the Holy Spirit. Like Abraham(see link), young prophets in training often mis-understood the word given to them.

Interpretation of prophecies are often given and reserve for later generation that it applies to. So for most prophets in training, the first lesson to understand is they may not get the interpretation of the prophetic word and to shut their mouth and not treat their speculative interpretation as truth.

Another major problem I see is to know which writings came from EGW's actual pen from those that are not. As I have expressed in "Should we quote EGW? --The Lord Canonized OT & NT -- shouldn't EGW's writings also? " discussion.... until this canonizing is done, I think no one is in position to quote any of EGW writings as we do not know if it came from her pen at all, or from her large team, or from an extraction from another writer's book.

2)I do agree that Ellen life was a life of dedication. However I don't believe character or "the fruit of her life" is a Biblical test of a prophet. Mat 7 doesn't say that. I was trying to find the post where we had studied this in the past and I haven't still found it. When I'll find it, I'll get back to this point.


3)We have already discussed Deut 13 in "Should we quote EGW?. I think you need to re-read Deut 13. As I have said in that discussion, Deut 13 is about the Lord sending a prophet to test us(see link) if we will just take whatever the prophet says without testing it. Even those that comes to us with “[i]sign and wonder come to pass”(Deut 13:2), all their words still needs to be tested also. Fulfilled sign and wonder are not a test of a true prophet either according to Deut 13:2. Basically my understanding is no one should assume that at anytime that everything a certain person says is the word of God. Even Paul, whose testimony, conversion, work, miracles … were all quite amazing --- despite all his words needed to be tested by whom the Bereans were praised for doing so. In our Church, we should be praising anyone who test any of EGW’s writings or Church interpretations. But that is not the case, persecution is more the norm.

So basically the Lord tells US in Deut 13 to test all things. The “US” is the individuals’ responsibility or as Ellen and James rightly puts it “our Christian’s duty”. Here's an example of it -- where yourself, kland and Prodigalone have failed the Deut 13 test in believing in a "shaking out" theory that was not shown in the past by the Lord.

Am I saying that Ellen failed the Deut 13 test? No not at all. The Lord is not testing the prophet He has sent, but He is testing US if we are going to buy whatever they say without testing them. Verse 3 says “For the Lord your God proveth YOU” (not the prophet He has sent for the purpose to prove YOU).

In Australia Ellen White had an editor named Fannie Bolton. Repeatedly there were issues in which Fannie proudly desired greater recognition for her work and complained to others while overstating her own contributions. Ellen White would reprove her for this, several times dismissing her and just as often taking her back after Fannie confessed and insisted she was changed.



"If she has done this work, which she has represented to others has been as much her talent, her production of ideas and construction of sentences, as mine, and in “beautiful language,” then she has done a work I have urged again and again should not be done.... And she is unworthy of any connection with this work." Letter 88, 1894

Ellen White wrote to Fannie-
"Every time I can distinguish a word of yours, my pen crosses it out. I have so often told you that your words and ideas must not take the place of the words and ideas given me of God." Letter 7, 1894

"She had underscored some words in a book, Christian Temperance, “beautiful words,” she called them, and said that she had put in those words, they were hers. If this were the truth, I ask, Who told her to put in her words in my writings? She has, if her own statement is correct, been unfaithful to me.
Sister Prescott, however, says that in the providence of God that very article came to them (Brother and Sister Prescott) uncopied and in my own handwriting, and that these very words were in that letter. So Fannie's statement regarding these words is proved to be untrue." Letter 102, 1895



Eventually Ellen White was determined that it was time for Fannie to be finally separated from her work. She was then given a message in vision that it had been right to disconnect with Fannie, but that Jesus was still her Redeemer and that Fannie would be ruined if left to herself.

Ellen White took her back again and handed Fannie papers to edit. Fannie, of her own decision, declined. By this she showed that she had been changed from the proud glory seeking that she had previously felt from her involvement in the work.

Fannie returned to America and wrote letters of confession and repentance. She was one of those editors who is claimed to have contributed so much to Ellen White's writings, but quoted below are her own words about this.





Ellen G. White: The Australian Years: 1891-1900 (Vol. 4), Pages 240-249

It is something each person has to decide in his own mind, and only the Holy Spirit can guide..

While this is a legitimate question in its own right, it has no bearing on the topic at hand, and is at best only distantly tangentially related.
As with the above statement, assigning motive, then attacking the motive, does not add anything to the conversation.

What SDA theology consistently fails to do is to SHOW CLEARLY that God/Scripture has Ellen White in mind when it speaks of the spirit of prophecy. While I agree with all Scriptural statements regarding the spirit of prophecy, I DO NOT agree that this applies to EGW.

So posters to this thread would do well to concentrate efforts on clearly establishing the authenticity of EGW's calling to the prophetic office. (Something along the lines of "And in the last days I shall raise up a woman, and she shall be called Ellen the White, and she shall lead you into all truth, etc., etc. would be good) All else is speculation and fabrication, and misapplying Scripture.

And no matter how much you firmly believe it, that doesn't make it true. Belief is not proof.

I believe Jesus of Nazareth is the Son of God, the Son of Man, the Messiah foretold in the Bible. The joy, peace, hope, love I experience as a result of believing Jesus is my friend and Savior is all the evidence I need to believe it is true. When I read the SOP I feel the same way about Jesus. I am thrilled Jesus gifted Ellen White with the spirit of prophecy, and empowered her to share in print moving and motivating insights into the loving mind and heart of God. By faith I trust Jesus raised her up to help guide us home. I cannot imagine rejecting this gift of God or refusing to read and heed it.