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Partaker's of His Suffering!
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08/17/05 02:19 AM
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Phi 3:10 That I may know him, and the power of his resurrection, and the fellowship of his sufferings, being made conformable unto his death;
2Co 1:5 For as the sufferings of Christ abound in us, so our consolation also aboundeth by Christ.
Col 1:24 Who now rejoice in my sufferings for you, and fill up that which is behind of the afflictions of Christ in my flesh for his body's sake,
1Pe 1:10 Of which salvation the prophets have enquired and searched diligently, who prophesied of the grace that should come unto you:
1Pe 1:11 Searching what, or what manner of time the Spirit of Christ which was in them did signify, when it testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ, and the glory that should follow.
1Pe 4:13 But rejoice, inasmuch as ye are partakers of Christ's sufferings; that, when his glory shall be revealed, ye may be glad also with exceeding joy.
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Re: Partaker's of His Suffering!
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What kind of “suffering of Christ” did the apostles and early believers partake of?
What kind of death were they conformable to?
What does that tell us of their understanding of Christ’s suffering?
What does that tell us of Christ’s suffering and death?
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Re: Partaker's of His Suffering!
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08/17/05 03:47 AM
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I'll take a shot at the first one.
Q. What kind of “suffering of Christ” did the apostles and early believers partake of?
A. All suffering is the result of sin. Christ suffered as He identified with our sin. This suffering includes sorrow for sin. As Christ reconized the impact of sin upon those whom He loved, people unwilling to let these things go, it no doubt caused Him much suffering. For example, the rich young ruler walked away sadly in refusing Christ's offer to sell all he had to follow him. But surely Christ suffered far more than the rich young ruler.
Then there is the suffering Christ felt Himself, as He sensed His Father's displeasure for sin. He felt as if He were the sinner of sinners, as the sins of the ages weighed upon His soul.
The early apostles partook of the sufferings of Christ primarily as they apprecited in His suffering, and by faith identified themselves with Him. Also they suffered as they sorrowed for those to whom they ministered who rejected Christ. Sin always causes misery, even if those who are suffering don't realize it; but the apostles realized it. Finally they suffered themselves as they were persecuted. (There is also the suffering of the flesh, whenever self is denied.)
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Re: Partaker's of His Suffering!
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08/19/05 02:51 PM
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quote:
All suffering is the result of sin. Christ suffered as He identified with our sin. This suffering includes sorrow for sin. As Christ reconized the impact of sin upon those whom He loved, people unwilling to let these things go, it no doubt caused Him much suffering. For example, the rich young ruler walked away sadly in refusing Christ's offer to sell all he had to follow him. But surely Christ suffered far more than the rich young ruler.
1Co 13: Charity suffereth long, and is kind ... is not easily provoked, thinketh no evil …
Rejoiceth not in iniquity, but rejoiceth in the truth … Beareth all things, endureth all things.
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Then there is the suffering Christ felt Himself, as He sensed His Father's displeasure for sin. He felt as if He were the sinner of sinners, as the sins of the ages weighed upon His soul.
Here Christ partook of our suffering. By subjecting himself to the "power of darkness" under which sinners are, He experienced sinner’s view of God. Satan misrepresents God as an exacting God of wrath. It was the “work of darkness” which caused Christ to sense that.
Luk 22:53 When I was daily with you in the temple, ye stretched forth no hands against me: but this is your hour, and the power of darkness.
Act 26:18 To open their eyes, and to turn them from darkness to light, and from the power of Satan unto God, that they may receive forgiveness of sins, and inheritance among them which are sanctified by the faith that is in me.
Col 1:13 Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son:
Eph 6:12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.
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The early apostles partook of the sufferings of Christ primarily as they appreciated in His suffering, and by faith identified themselves with Him. Also they suffered as they sorrowed for those to whom they ministered who rejected Christ. Sin always causes misery, even if those who are suffering don't realize it; but the apostles realized it.
Indeed.
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Finally they suffered themselves as they were persecuted.
2Ti 3:12 Yea, and all that will live godly in Christ Jesus shall suffer persecution.
Joh 8:40 But now ye seek to kill me, a man that hath told you the truth, which I have heard of God: this did not Abraham.
Mat 13:21 … for when tribulation or persecution ariseth “because of the word”…
Joh 17:14 I have given them thy word; and the world hath hated them, because they are not of the world, even as I am not of the world.
Heb 12:3 For consider him that endured such contradiction of sinners against himself, lest ye be wearied and faint in your minds.
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(There is also the suffering of the flesh, whenever self is denied.)
Heb 12:4 Ye have not yet resisted unto blood, striving against sin.
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Re: Partaker's of His Suffering!
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08/19/05 05:34 PM
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Here Christ partook of our suffering. By subjecting himself to the "power of darkness" under which sinners are, He experienced sinner’s view of God. Satan misrepresents God as an exacting God of wrath. It was the “work of darkness” which caused Christ to sense that.
Yes! I have come to exactly this same conclusion.
We know that God was not really abandoning Christ (e.g. Ps. 18; the chapter "Calvary" in DA makes it clear that God was actually drawing close to His Son in this terrible time) yet Christ experienced the wrath of God, that God was abandoning Him. Why? Because His view of God was being replaced by the view of one who has rejected God. This was the awful agony He passed through. Even though all His senses told Him one thing, by faith He was able to obtain the victory by believing that which He knew to be true of His Father, regardless of what He was experiencing.
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Re: Partaker's of His Suffering!
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08/27/05 11:46 AM
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In the wilderness when the Israelites were being bitten with snakes, God told Moses to make a fiery serpent and put it on a pole. The serpent symbolized Christ hanging on the cross did it not? It was the visible source of healing to those who were bitten.
We would be making a wrong assumption to conclude that God does not have wrath against sin. That is what makes the sacrifice of Christ so appealing. He bore the wrath of God against sin for us, hence the image of the snake. Hard to fathom, to be sure, but what love! He was treated as we deserve that we might be treated as He deserved.
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Re: Partaker's of His Suffering!
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08/27/05 06:57 PM
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Thank you Mark, for you comments.
How would we be partakers of Christ’s suffering in the concept you presented?
Did the apostles see the suffering of Christ as such, in so that they counted it a privilege to be partakers of his suffering?
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Re: Partaker's of His Suffering!
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08/28/05 05:03 AM
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That the serpent was chosen was apropos. The Bible says that God sent fiery serpents against the Israelites, which seems to demonstrate His wrath against them. However, the fiery serpents had always been there. God's wrath was giving the Israelites over to the result of their choice. God withdrew His protection from them, as was their wish in refusing His company. However, when they saw what the results of this would be, He graciously provided a way to recovery. That way was to behold a brozen serpent, the purpose of which was to teach the principle "look and live". The enemy's goal is to misreprent God's character, and in so doing, cause us to request that God withdraw from us. This leads to our ruin. This is God's wrath. God does not hate us, but He has created us with free will. He will not violate our choice. He will do everything He can to get us to reconsider, but once we give our "final answer" there's nothing more He can do, and He executes His wrath against us, in giving us up to what we have chosen. But there is hope for us if we will "look and live": quote:
How, then, are we to be saved? "As Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness," so the Son of man has been lifted up, and everyone who has been deceived and bitten by the serpent may look and live. "Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world." John 1:29. The light shining from the cross reveals the love of God. His love is drawing us to Himself. If we do not resist this drawing, we shall be led to the foot of the cross in repentance for the sins that have crucified the Saviour. Then the Spirit of God through faith produces a new life in the soul. The thoughts and desires are brought into obedience to the will of Christ. The heart, the mind, are created anew in the image of Him who works in us to subdue all things to Himself. Then the law of God is written in the mind and heart, and we can say with Christ, "I delight to do Thy will, O my God." Ps. 40:8.
God will save us if we do not resist His love shining from the cross, which draws us to Him and calls for our repentance.
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Re: Partaker's of His Suffering!
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09/06/05 10:20 PM
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Phi 3:10 That I may know him, and the power of his resurrection, and the fellowship of his sufferings, being made conformable unto his death;
There are many doctrines on the suffering which Christ went through and what kind of death he suffered.
Do those doctrines allow for our partaking of his suffering?
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Re: Partaker's of His Suffering!
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09/07/05 03:31 AM
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Perhaps a good preliminary question to ask is what is it that made Christ suffer. Since we are partakers of His suffering, one would expect we would be suffering over the same thing Christ did.
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