I just put a Sermon geared for training Global Evangelists, on the web, it is about 30 minutes.

This is done by Robert Folkenberg, and he clearly deals with the contradictory statements in the New Testament on this topic.

When I show this DVD at the seminars I do, I can see "light bulbs" going off in peoples heads. Most people say that this is the best sermon they have EVER heard.

It is well worth the investment of time to view this.

Streaming Video, must have quicktime viewer, a free program from www.quicktime.com

Stan

http://homepage.mac.com/stanjensen/iMovieTheater15.html

Stan, my computer will not allow me to listen to this sermon. Can you please type out the main components of it? Thank you.

There is too much for me to type, it is one of those 'every word is important' sermons...

This is rating among the best sermons heard by most who listen.. Perhaps someone else can put it to text. I do not have the time right now.

I doubt i the text will do it justice...

Stan,

The link isn't loading up the video-sermon for me either.

It's working now, however, even with high speed Internet, it took a long, long time to load.

Folkenberg got it just a bit wrong. Lucifer never thought that he would be ABOVE God. He wanted to be above the clouds.

He also messed up the story of how Eve fell into trouble. What he said happened is not what happened.

But, he the rest is beautiful. Especially the rule about obeying before asking why.

Daryl, what did he say different than normal? That is, different than saying by faith we are as righteous as Jesus is righteous - both legally and really.

1 John
3:6 Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him.
3:7 Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.
3:8 He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.
3:9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
3:10 In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother.

Basically he said that where he has gone around the world, he has been looked like as a liberal north american because he doesn't preach, "You need to keep the Sabbath, stop eating unclean meat, etc. to be saved." But he preaches that salvation is only through Christ and that we are not saved because of what we do. the call should always be to accept Christ as our savior and our lord. We will want to obey Him if we realize he's saved us from death.

Nothing quite as deep as what you have mentioned, MM, but he did have a lot to say. I believe he said that a lot of SDAs just go to church on Sabbath to see friends or because it's their habit, not because they are keeping the Sabbath or because they want to worship God.

I was multitasking, reading websites and listening at the same time. His translator wasn't the best (to Spanish) and the translator might have got even more nervous since bob didn't give him much time between phrases. the guy was suffering.

R

Darius,

I agree with you! That was a great illustration on how we should obey. The why comes after obeying.

Abraham obeyed that way when God asked him to sacrifice his son.

r

For me the "why" doesn't come after I obey. And in Abraham's case it didn't either. He obeyed becaused he trusted God. That's the "why" he obeyed. He believed God would provide for him and his family, or, in the case of Isaac, he simply believed God would resurrect him.

Not that it didn't cause him great sorrow. Sadness and sorrow are not signs of unbelief, they are normal, healthy signs. God wept during the crucifixion of Christ, even though it was the right thing.

I obey God because, for one reason, it feels good. Plus I know it makes God happy. In fact, it makes all heaven happy. Knowing that it makes all heaven happy makes me happy. Also, knowing that obedience is required to spend eternity in heaven with Jesus, and my loved ones, motivates me to obey. And, I don't want to crucify Jesus afresh by sinning. I love Him too much.

FW 95, 96
While we are to be in harmony with God's law, we are not saved by the works of the law, yet we cannot be saved without obedience. The law is the standard by which character is measured. But we cannot possibly keep the commandments of God without the regenerating grace of Christ. Jesus alone can cleanse us from all sin. He does not save us by law, neither will He save us in disobedience to law. {FW 95.3}

FW 50
When it is in the heart to obey God, when efforts are put forth to this end, Jesus accepts this disposition and effort as man's best service, and He makes up for the deficiency with His own divine merit. But He will not accept those who claim to have faith in Him and yet are disloyal to His Father's commandment. We hear a great deal about faith, but we need to hear a great deal more about works. Many are deceiving their own souls by living an easy-going, accommodating, crossless religion. {FW 50.1}