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Whose are we?
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09/10/03 07:46 AM
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Not only does our God know the end from the beginning, He also willingly shares that knowledge with us. The prophet Amos asserted that "Surely the Lord GOD will do nothing, but he revealeth his secret unto his servants the prophets." Amos 3:7. Given that set of facts and our self-identification as the Remnant, where is the establishment of the Seventh-day Adventist Church specifically foretold, or is it only human effort that has received the blessing of God?
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Re: Whose are we?
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09/10/03 02:54 PM
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What do you mean by human effort?
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Re: Whose are we?
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09/10/03 04:37 PM
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quote: Originally posted by Mike Lowe: What do you mean by human effort?
Human response to existing circumstances. On the basis of Amos 3 it does not appear to be part of "God's secrets" since it is not foretold in prophecy. No value judgement was intended.
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Re: Whose are we?
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09/10/03 06:01 PM
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Are you talking about the world series? the super bowl? The remnant church? or what?
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Re: Whose are we?
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09/10/03 07:55 PM
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quote: Originally posted by Mike Lowe: Are you talking about the world series? the super bowl? The remnant church? or what?
Was that an attempt at humor? I suggest you read the original post again. [ September 10, 2003, 05:33 PM: Message edited by: Darius ]
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Re: Whose are we?
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09/11/03 05:45 AM
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The prophecies pin pointing the SDA church as the remnant church are found in Rev 12:17 and 19:10.
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Re: Whose are we?
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09/11/03 12:45 PM
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quote: Originally posted by Mike Lowe: The prophecies pin pointing the SDA church as the remnant church are found in Rev 12:17 and 19:10.
In what sense do you call those prophecies? It appears more in line with the truth to say that at any point in history the characteristics mentioned in those texts will be found in the body of Christ.
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Re: Whose are we?
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09/12/03 03:37 AM
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I agree. And that's the point. The remnant continue to believe and behave according to the truth, whereas others have left off believing the truth as it is in Jesus and have turned unto lies and fables, the doctrines of men.
But would you agree that the truth is and has been progressive, that the truth committed to the remnant church contains elements not previously understood and taught during the apostolic church or the church during the Dark Ages or the church during the early protestant reformation?
In other words, would you agree that the truth committed to the church during the Laodicean Era contains elements not completely understood or taught by the church during other Eras? Such as the 2300 year prophecy, the heavenly sanctuary, the investigative judgment, the mark of the beast, the three angels' messages, etc?
John 16:12 I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now. 16:13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth:
Revelation 2:24 I will put upon you none other burden. 2:25 But that which ye have [already] hold fast till I come.
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Re: Whose are we?
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09/11/03 04:16 PM
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Mike wrote, "In other words, would you agree that the truth committed to the church during the Laodicean Era contains elements not completely understood or taught by the church during other Eras? Such as the 2300 year prophecy, the heavenly sanctuary, the investigative judgment, the mark of the beast, the three angels' messages, etc?"
Mike everything that you mentioned had specific meanings to the people who were being written to at that time. Can we minimize what those letters, or prophecies meant to them? Do we even know what they meant to the people at that time?
In my opinion our church can say that they are a part of the remnant, but I have real problems with the church saying that they are the remnant..... Lastly to base a belief about being the remnant on 2 or 3 texts is tenuous.....
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Re: Whose are we?
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09/11/03 05:04 PM
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Mike, it is one thing to believe and proclaim that we are that part of the body of Christ that calls God's people back to a full understanding of God's will. It is quite another to believe that we are the only genuine part of the body of Christ. Nothing in the texts you have provided could be interpreted to mean that in 1844 a segment of the body of Christ will arise that is uniquely identified as the essence of the church. It is simply not there. We cannot deny the truth while claiming to proclaim the truth.
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