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Re: The Minds of God's Messengers
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09/23/03 02:57 PM
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I gave my opinion. I gave my basis. Your posts are available for anyone who wants to sort through them. They can make their own evaluation. What I did was for the board. I showed their was a dissenting opinion. In some places, I have pointed out some of your problems. I am disinclined to react to all of your claims concerning my reasoning powers or my conclusions. I see what you are by the words of your posts. This is sufficient for me. Out there on the internet horizon all of us from time to time meet poersons that are misguided stones rolling through the darkness of their own night, endeavoring to spread that darkness to others. My prayer for you is that such would not be your experience or the experience of those with whom you bring your brain into contact. Others are journeying into the kingdom and far be it from thee to take away the key of knowledge and restrict others who are coming. May God have mercy upon you.
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Re: The Minds of God's Messengers
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09/24/03 03:00 AM
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quote: Originally posted by Larry Kirkpatrick: I see what you are by the words of your posts. This is sufficient for me.
It was also sufficient for the Jewish leaders that they saw Christ as being Baalzebub. Big deal. Come now, let us reason together. God gave you the capacity to reason because He expects you to use it. I have no problem with my views being challenged; I am well able to defend them, or amend them if necessary.
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Re: The Minds of God's Messengers
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09/24/03 03:42 AM
09/24/03 03:42 AM
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Darius, do you believe God used the mind and mouth of Paul to declare the truth as it is in Jesus? and what about Moses, David, Isaiah and Daniel, etc? Sadly, I already know what you believe about Sister White.
You strongly advocate and argue ideas that contradict certain inspired authors, and to support your ideas you say that they simply got it wrong, and then to defend their office and calling you say all manner of things to excuse their confused conclusions.
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Re: The Minds of God's Messengers
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09/23/03 04:24 PM
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quote: Originally posted by Mike Lowe: Darius, do you believe God used the mind and mouth of Paul to declare the truth as it is in Jesus? and what about Moses, David, Isaiah and Daniel, etc? Sadly, I already know what you believe about Sister White.
If it is sad to believe that she was human then that's too bad. None of the writers in the Bible had problems with their humanity, nor did EGW. If you wish to view in a light she personally decried that's your choice. You can try all you wish to push me into a box of your own construction, it will not work. "We see through a glass darkly." That was Paul, but you don't accept that as truth, do you? quote:
You strongly advocate and argue ideas that contradict certain inspired authors, and to support your ideas you say that they simply got it wrong, and then to defend their office and calling you say all manner of things to excuse their confused conclusions.
What is "all manner of things?" Stop dropping innuendo. If you wish to conduct a discussion let us be open and transparent. I am not about to deny what is clearly the truth, that the call to the office of prophet did not grant infallibility to that individual. Nor, as Larry attempted to say, did it make that person my authority. The only authority for me it the author of my life and faith. Period.
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Re: The Minds of God's Messengers
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09/23/03 04:58 PM
09/23/03 04:58 PM
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Darius, when we're talking about the Bible we're talking about the word of God. Here's what the Bible says about the word of God:
Proverbs 30:5 Every word of God [is] pure: he [is] a shield unto them that put their trust in him. 30:6 Add thou not unto his words, lest he reprove thee, and thou be found a liar.
Mark 7:13 Making the word of God of none effect through your tradition, which ye have delivered: and many such like things do ye.
Luke 4:4 And Jesus answered him, saying, It is written, That man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word of God. 11:28 But he said, Yea rather, blessed [are] they that hear the word of God, and keep it.
2 Peter 1:19 We have also a more sure word of prophecy; whereunto ye do well that ye take heed, as unto a light that shineth in a dark place, until the day dawn, and the day star arise in your hearts: 1:20 Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation. 1:21 For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake [as they were] moved by the Holy Ghost.
Acts 4:31 And when they had prayed, the place was shaken where they were assembled together; and they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and they spake the word of God with boldness. 11:1 And the apostles and brethren that were in Judaea heard that the Gentiles had also received the word of God. 13:44 And the next sabbath day came almost the whole city together to hear the word of God. 18:11 And he continued [there] a year and six months, teaching the word of God among them. 19:20 So mightily grew the word of God and prevailed.
Romans 10:17 So then faith [cometh] by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.
1 Corinthians 14:37 If any man think himself to be a prophet, or spiritual, let him acknowledge that the things that I write unto you are the commandments of the Lord.
2 Corinthians 2:17 For we are not as many, which corrupt the word of God: but as of sincerity, but as of God, in the sight of God speak we in Christ.
Colossains 1:25 Whereof I am made a minister, according to the dispensation of God which is given to me for you, to fulfil the word of God; 1:26 [Even] the mystery which hath been hid from ages and from generations, but now is made manifest to his saints: 1:27 To whom God would make known what [is] the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles; which is Christ in you, the hope of glory: 1:28 Whom we preach, warning every man, and teaching every man in all wisdom; that we may present every man perfect in Christ Jesus: 1:29 Whereunto I also labour, striving according to his working, which worketh in me mightily.
1 Thessalonians 2:13 For this cause also thank we God without ceasing, because, when ye received the word of God which ye heard of us, ye received [it] not [as] the word of men, but as it is in truth, the word of God, which effectually worketh also in you that believe.
Hebrews 4:12 For the word of God [is] quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and [is] a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart. 13:7 Remember them which have the rule over you, who have spoken unto you the word of God: whose faith follow, considering the end of [their] conversation.
1 Peter 1:23 Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.
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Re: The Minds of God's Messengers
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09/24/03 06:47 AM
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quote: Originally posted by Mike Lowe: Darius, when we're talking about the Bible we're talking about the word of God. Here's what the Bible says about the word of God:
Proverbs 30:5 Every word of God [is] pure: he [is] a shield unto them that put their trust in him. 30:6 Add thou not unto his words, lest he reprove thee, and thou be found a liar.
You have erroneously set up an identity statement between THE Word of God and the Bible. That position is a bankrupt as the claim of biblical inerrancy. No one who truly understands the history of the canon can make these claims.
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Re: The Minds of God's Messengers
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09/25/03 01:31 PM
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quote: Originally posted by Larry Kirkpatrick: The difference between Martin Luther and Ellen White is simple. One was used of God but not as a prophet, the other was used of God but as a prophet. Their offices were different, God's object in using them different. The counsel of one prophetically inspired is guarded by the Holy Spirit in a manner in which the counsel of the non-prophet is not. Therefore to compare the work of Luther to White is to compare different categories, apples to oranges. God's purpose is manifest as God designs.
Amen Pastor Kirkpatrick. You have explained this very well. Praise God for your willingness to stand for truth.
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Re: The Minds of God's Messengers
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09/25/03 01:54 PM
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quote: Originally posted by Avalee: Amen Pastor Kirkpatrick. You have explained this very well. Praise God for your willingness to stand for truth.
Since you agree with Larry, would you mind telling us where you have personally gleaned this idea that there is a difference between prophetic inspiration and other kinds of inspiration? The fact that two people agree says nothing about the validity of their ideas.
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Re: The Minds of God's Messengers
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09/26/03 05:12 PM
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