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does God punish?
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11/24/08 02:41 AM
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i am very curious as to how different people view this issue of God "punishing" people.
does God punish us in our daily lives, or at the end of the 1000 years?
how is the how, what, when, where and why understood?
Psa 64:5 ...an evil matter: they commune of laying snares privily; they say, Who shall see them?
Psa 7:14 Behold, he travaileth with iniquity, and hath conceived mischief, and brought forth falsehood. 15 He made a pit, and digged it, and is fallen into the ditch which he made. 16 His mischief (and his violent dealing) shall return upon his own head.
Psa 7:17 I will praise the LORD according to his righteousness: and will sing praise to the name of the LORD most high.
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Re: does God punish?
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For whom the LORD loveth he correcteth; even as a father the son in whom he delighteth. (Proverbs 3:12, KJV)
He that spareth his rod hateth his son: but he that loveth him chasteneth him betimes. (Proverbs 13:24, KJV)
Open rebuke is better than secret love. (Proverbs 27:5, KJV)
And it shall come to pass in that day, that the LORD shall punish the host of the high ones that are on high, and the kings of the earth upon the earth. (Isaiah 24:21, KJV)
For, behold, the LORD cometh out of his place to punish the inhabitants of the earth for their iniquity: the earth also shall disclose her blood, and shall no more cover her slain. (Isaiah 26:21, KJV)
But I will punish you according to the fruit of your doings, saith the LORD: and I will kindle a fire in the forest thereof, and it shall devour all things round about it. (Jeremiah 21:14, KJV)
Fear thou not, O Jacob my servant, saith the LORD: for I am with thee; for I will make a full end of all the nations whither I have driven thee: but I will not make a full end of thee, but correct thee in measure; yet will I not leave thee wholly unpunished. (Jeremiah 46:28, KJV)
For whom the Lord loveth he chasteneth, and scourgeth every son whom he receiveth. (Hebrews 12:6, KJV)
As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten: be zealous therefore, and repent. (Revelation 3:19, KJV)
We can receive of heaven's light only as we are willing to be emptied of self. We can discern the character of God, and accept Christ by faith, only as we consent to the bringing into captivity of every thought to the obedience of Christ. And to all who do this, the Holy Spirit is given without measure. In Christ "dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily. And ye are complete in Him." [Colossians 2:9, 10.] {GW 57.1} -- Ellen White.
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Re: does God punish?
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11/24/08 04:39 AM
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does God punish us in our daily lives, or at the end of the 1000 years? our Is that an either/or? What if God is love and like in Job. Its not God that punishes us but Satan that messes with us. Pretend your dad is a doctor. And he tells you dont smoke. Well you start smoking and get lung cancer. Did your father give you lung cancer? Now what if He can give you a new lung and you can be cured. The sad part is He dies without a lung. He is willing to do it anyway. Now what if you dont let him give you a new lung and you die. Is it him that kills you?
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Re: does God punish?
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i am very curious as to how different people view this issue of God "punishing" people. It depends on what you mean by "punish." There's punishment for the purpose of inflicting pain in return for harm done. Then there's punishment as a tool to teach that sin causes pain. There may be others.
By God's grace,
Arnold
There is no excuse for any one in taking the position that there is no more truth to be revealed, and that all our expositions of Scripture are without an error. The fact that certain doctrines have been held as truth for many years by our people, is not a proof that our ideas are infallible. Age will not make error into truth, and truth can afford to be fair. No true doctrine will lose anything by close investigation. RH 12/20/1892
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Re: does God punish?
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Yes, God punishes sinners now and again in the lake of fire at the end of time. He accomplishes His purposes in the following ways: 1) directly, and 2) indirectly. The following quote supports this insight.
GC 614
A single angel destroyed all the first-born of the Egyptians and filled the land with mourning. When David offended against God by numbering the people, one angel caused that terrible destruction by which his sin was punished. The same destructive power exercised by holy angels when God commands, will be exercised by evil angels when He permits. There are forces now ready, and only waiting the divine permission, to spread desolation everywhere. {GC 614.2}
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Re: does God punish?
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does God punish us in our daily lives, or at the end of the 1000 years? our Is that an either/or? What if God is love and like in Job. Its not God that punishes us but Satan that messes with us. Pretend your dad is a doctor. And he tells you dont smoke. Well you start smoking and get lung cancer. Did your father give you lung cancer? Now what if He can give you a new lung and you can be cured. The sad part is He dies without a lung. He is willing to do it anyway. Now what if you dont let him give you a new lung and you die. Is it him that kills you? sorry, no, that wasnt really meant as an either/or. just wanting to get different peoples thinking on the subject, and i thank you for your contribution. 
Psa 64:5 ...an evil matter: they commune of laying snares privily; they say, Who shall see them?
Psa 7:14 Behold, he travaileth with iniquity, and hath conceived mischief, and brought forth falsehood. 15 He made a pit, and digged it, and is fallen into the ditch which he made. 16 His mischief (and his violent dealing) shall return upon his own head.
Psa 7:17 I will praise the LORD according to his righteousness: and will sing praise to the name of the LORD most high.
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Re: does God punish?
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i am very curious as to how different people view this issue of God "punishing" people. It depends on what you mean by "punish." There's punishment for the purpose of inflicting pain in return for harm done. Then there's punishment as a tool to teach that sin causes pain. There may be others. thank you arnold for pointing out the different ways we could look at "punish". it could also help to look at the original word and its meaning(s).
Psa 64:5 ...an evil matter: they commune of laying snares privily; they say, Who shall see them?
Psa 7:14 Behold, he travaileth with iniquity, and hath conceived mischief, and brought forth falsehood. 15 He made a pit, and digged it, and is fallen into the ditch which he made. 16 His mischief (and his violent dealing) shall return upon his own head.
Psa 7:17 I will praise the LORD according to his righteousness: and will sing praise to the name of the LORD most high.
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Re: does God punish?
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11/25/08 01:45 AM
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Aaron, I liked your example.
Those who wait for the Bridegroom's coming are to say to the people, "Behold your God." The last rays of merciful light, the last message of mercy to be given to the world, is a revelation of His character of love.
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Re: does God punish?
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11/25/08 02:19 AM
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Its not God that punishes us but Satan that messes with us.
Pretend your dad is a doctor. And he tells you dont smoke. Well you start smoking and get lung cancer.... Let's modify that a little. Let's say your dad catches you with cigarette in your mouth. He then gives you a pack of cigarettes, puts you in the closet, and says you must finish the pack before he will let you out. So you breathe 1st-, 2nd-, 3rd-, 4th- .... hand smoke for a few hours until you are done. You slip and slide through the vomit to get out. You are sick for a couple of weeks, until your body is finally able to get most of the junk out. For the rest of your life you feel like throwing up whenever you even think about tobacco. And you never get lung cancer. Did your dad punish you? Absolutely! That's the perspective of a parent who knows what "this hurts me more than it hurts you" really means, and would still do it any time it is needed.
By God's grace,
Arnold
There is no excuse for any one in taking the position that there is no more truth to be revealed, and that all our expositions of Scripture are without an error. The fact that certain doctrines have been held as truth for many years by our people, is not a proof that our ideas are infallible. Age will not make error into truth, and truth can afford to be fair. No true doctrine will lose anything by close investigation. RH 12/20/1892
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Re: does God punish?
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11/25/08 03:16 AM
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That example is from Dr. Tim Jennings. His website is comeandreason.com and his ss classes are on audio and worth checking out. He is a part of the Good News Tour.
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