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Re: A nice death in hell?
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01/07/09 06:36 AM
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I thought that was a very good point to consider. God would have to keep the wicked alive in order for it take time to burn them up!! I hadn't realized that before and maybe others hadnt either.
Again, i do apologize tom. No problem. It looked like there was some confusion of quotes or thoughts going on. In regards to the point, yes, the wicked will be resurrected with the same bodies they had before death; they do not have glorified bodies. So they would burn in a few seconds if exposed to fire that burned them like firewood. So to suffer for many hours or many days, God would have to supernaturally keep them alive. Doesn't paint a very attractive picture of God, does it?
Those who wait for the Bridegroom's coming are to say to the people, "Behold your God." The last rays of merciful light, the last message of mercy to be given to the world, is a revelation of His character of love.
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Re: A nice death in hell?
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01/07/09 06:48 AM
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I agree that it makes more sense from our perspective of law and justice to simply leave the wicked in the grave and not to resurrect them. Only if we don't understand why the wicked are resurrected. However, it makes sense to God to resurrect them therefore I acknowledge that our perspective is wrong. It makes sense to God because He understands why He is resurrecting them. Since He has shared that knowledge with us, it's our privilege to know too. I cannot explain it, but I accept it on the basis God is good and whatever He does is the byproduct of His goodness. This sounds like the idea of obeying God without any understanding of why. God has explained these things to us. He has given us reasons for why He is doing what he does. He's not asking us to accept blindly what He does on the basis that He is good.
Those who wait for the Bridegroom's coming are to say to the people, "Behold your God." The last rays of merciful light, the last message of mercy to be given to the world, is a revelation of His character of love.
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Re: A nice death in hell?
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01/08/09 05:42 AM
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I agree that it makes more sense from our perspective of law and justice to simply leave the wicked in the grave and not to resurrect them. Only if we don't understand why the wicked are resurrected. However, it makes sense to God to resurrect them therefore I acknowledge that our perspective is wrong. It makes sense to God because He understands why He is resurrecting them. Since He has shared that knowledge with us, it's our privilege to know too. I cannot explain it, but I accept it on the basis God is good and whatever He does is the byproduct of His goodness. This sounds like the idea of obeying God without any understanding of why. God has explained these things to us. He has given us reasons for why He is doing what he does. He's not asking us to accept blindly what He does on the basis that He is good. I knew that the wicked must be resurrected, because that is the 1st fruit of Christ sacrifice: He gave life to all men with his death. But not all will continue to live, some would die again, those who choose to serve themselves. They all would die the 2nd time. What perpsepctive is wrong Mike? Any idea Tom? In His love
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Re: A nice death in hell?
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01/08/09 08:24 PM
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I agree that it makes more sense from our perspective of law and justice to simply leave the wicked in the grave and not to resurrect them. Only if we don't understand why the wicked are resurrected. However, it makes sense to God to resurrect them therefore I acknowledge that our perspective is wrong. It makes sense to God because He understands why He is resurrecting them. Since He has shared that knowledge with us, it's our privilege to know too. I cannot explain it, but I accept it on the basis God is good and whatever He does is the byproduct of His goodness. This sounds like the idea of obeying God without any understanding of why. God has explained these things to us. He has given us reasons for why He is doing what he does. He's not asking us to accept blindly what He does on the basis that He is good. the brother can correct me if im wrong, but it sounds like hes saying he may not understand Gods reasons at this time but that he trusts God.
Psa 64:5 ...an evil matter: they commune of laying snares privily; they say, Who shall see them?
Psa 7:14 Behold, he travaileth with iniquity, and hath conceived mischief, and brought forth falsehood. 15 He made a pit, and digged it, and is fallen into the ditch which he made. 16 His mischief (and his violent dealing) shall return upon his own head.
Psa 7:17 I will praise the LORD according to his righteousness: and will sing praise to the name of the LORD most high.
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Re: A nice death in hell?
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01/10/09 07:45 PM
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I knew that the wicked must be resurrected, because that is the 1st fruit of Christ sacrifice: He gave life to all men with his death. But not all will continue to live, some would die again, those who choose to serve themselves. They all would die the 2nd time. What perpsepctive is wrong Mike? James, I don't understand your question. Please rephrase it. Thank you.
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Re: A nice death in hell?
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01/10/09 07:46 PM
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the brother can correct me if im wrong, but it sounds like hes saying he may not understand Gods reasons at this time but that he trusts God. Yes, this is precisely what I meant. Thank you.
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Re: A nice death in hell?
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01/10/09 07:59 PM
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God has explained these things to us. He has given us reasons for why He is doing what he does. Tom, please post some of the explanatory passages you have in mind. Thank you. That is, passages which explain why God thinks it is necessary to resurrect the wicked. I have read where hearing them confess Jesus is Lord and admitting that they deserve to die is somehow needful for the saints and the unfallen inhabitants of God's far flung Universe, but for the life of me I cannot figure out how or why. From my lowland point of view I imagine myself feeling fine about them staying dead and gone. A thousand years of studying the books in heaven would settle it for me, or it seems to me now. I can also see myself being cool with the evil angels dying when Jesus returns and staying dead and gone forever. Of course I know I will feel totally different about these things as it is happening. I know this about myself because I choose to believe it by faith. I totally trust God. He has proven Himself trustworthy over and over again.
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Re: A nice death in hell?
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01/10/09 10:14 PM
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the brother can correct me if im wrong, but it sounds like hes saying he may not understand Gods reasons at this time but that he trusts God. Yes, this is precisely what I meant. Thank you. you are quite welcome, my brother, but james saptenno wrote what i was responding to.
Psa 64:5 ...an evil matter: they commune of laying snares privily; they say, Who shall see them?
Psa 7:14 Behold, he travaileth with iniquity, and hath conceived mischief, and brought forth falsehood. 15 He made a pit, and digged it, and is fallen into the ditch which he made. 16 His mischief (and his violent dealing) shall return upon his own head.
Psa 7:17 I will praise the LORD according to his righteousness: and will sing praise to the name of the LORD most high.
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Re: A nice death in hell?
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01/13/09 06:15 PM
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t; the brother can correct me if im wrong, but it sounds like hes saying he may not understand Gods reasons at this time but that he trusts God.
M: Yes, this is precisely what I meant. Thank you.
t: you are quite welcome, my brother, but james saptenno wrote what i was responding to. Oops! Sorry. I was responding to your post #107310. In that post I was quoted 3 times. I assumed you meant me when you wrote - "the brother". My bad.
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Re: A nice death in hell?
[Re: Mountain Man]
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02/01/09 10:19 AM
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Wow, where's a moderator when you need one? I sense familiar spirits. Funny thing, when I think of Satan's cunningness in Eden, I imagine him as a televangelist or a preacher. For some reason Satan comes across as so slick that he could penetrate christianity and even fool the elect himself. Woe is me, Alas! I guess action does speak louder than words.
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