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Re: Christ Desired and Lusted to Sin? [Re: Rosangela] #112100
04/21/09 02:37 AM
04/21/09 02:37 AM
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William and Arnold,

Sorry, but I didn't understand the jokes. help

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Re: Christ Desired and Lusted to Sin? [Re: Tom] #112101
04/21/09 02:45 AM
04/21/09 02:45 AM
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Originally Posted By: Tom
If you wish to make some sort of case regarding modern day postlapsarians vs. those of the time of Ellen White, please go ahead and do so. Present some quotes. Make your case.

Don't have much time now. But here's one:
Originally Posted By: http://www.lastgenerationtheology.org/lgt/ori/ori-glossary.php
sin. To willfully violate God’s law.

Compare with Waggoner's statement:
Quote:
Sin is in every fiber of our being by nature. ... that sin which not only has been committed by me personally, but which dwells in the heart,--the sin which constitutes the whole of my life.

It doesn't match.


By God's grace,
Arnold

There is no excuse for any one in taking the position that there is no more truth to be revealed, and that all our expositions of Scripture are without an error. The fact that certain doctrines have been held as truth for many years by our people, is not a proof that our ideas are infallible. Age will not make error into truth, and truth can afford to be fair. No true doctrine will lose anything by close investigation. RH 12/20/1892
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Re: Christ Desired and Lusted to Sin? [Re: William] #112102
04/21/09 02:57 AM
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Originally Posted By: William
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Kinda like Delonte West waiting for the Mamba?

Something big and black is going to devour that little redheaded stepchild. . . now we're done!

sorry

ROFL
In a couple of months, there should be a new hit single coming out of Lala-land: Tell Me How My Bling Taste (Probably Better Than An Early Vacation In The Arizona Desert).

OK, stop it now. Back to the topic people. Stop tempting me.


By God's grace,
Arnold

There is no excuse for any one in taking the position that there is no more truth to be revealed, and that all our expositions of Scripture are without an error. The fact that certain doctrines have been held as truth for many years by our people, is not a proof that our ideas are infallible. Age will not make error into truth, and truth can afford to be fair. No true doctrine will lose anything by close investigation. RH 12/20/1892
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Re: Christ Desired and Lusted to Sin? [Re: Rosangela] #112103
04/21/09 02:59 AM
04/21/09 02:59 AM
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Originally Posted By: Rosangela
William and Arnold,

Sorry, but I didn't understand the jokes. help

It's American basketball. You're better off lacking such knowledge. And with Manu out, the people in the land of silver probably aren't very interested now.


By God's grace,
Arnold

There is no excuse for any one in taking the position that there is no more truth to be revealed, and that all our expositions of Scripture are without an error. The fact that certain doctrines have been held as truth for many years by our people, is not a proof that our ideas are infallible. Age will not make error into truth, and truth can afford to be fair. No true doctrine will lose anything by close investigation. RH 12/20/1892
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Re: Christ Desired and Lusted to Sin? [Re: Rosangela] #112104
04/21/09 03:00 AM
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Sorry, but I didn't understand the jokes.

Well, we're waiting senior player and part-time brick layer. yay

William


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Re: Christ Desired and Lusted to Sin? [Re: asygo] #112105
04/21/09 03:06 AM
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In a couple of months, there should be a new hit single coming out of Lala-land: Tell Me How My Bling Taste (Probably Better Than An Early Vacation In The Arizona Desert).

Ooohh. You're soooo bad!

Quote:
OK, stop it now. Back to the topic people. Stop tempting me.

OK. Was that temptation from the inside or out? Oh-yeah! grin

Done. Help the lady out!

William


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Re: Christ Desired and Lusted to Sin? [Re: Rosangela] #112106
04/21/09 03:38 AM
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Originally Posted By: Rosangela
I didn't understand the jokes.

BTW, good thing you realized they were jokes. We wouldn't want people to think that we at Maritime condone reptiles devouring unsuspecting children (who's about to find out who his daddy is). grin


By God's grace,
Arnold

There is no excuse for any one in taking the position that there is no more truth to be revealed, and that all our expositions of Scripture are without an error. The fact that certain doctrines have been held as truth for many years by our people, is not a proof that our ideas are infallible. Age will not make error into truth, and truth can afford to be fair. No true doctrine will lose anything by close investigation. RH 12/20/1892
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Re: Christ Desired and Lusted to Sin? [Re: asygo] #112108
04/21/09 10:41 AM
04/21/09 10:41 AM
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Regarding #112101, that doesn't seem like much of a case.

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The only definition we find in the Bible for sin is that "sin is the transgression of the law" (1 John 3:4).(1SM 320)


Those who wait for the Bridegroom's coming are to say to the people, "Behold your God." The last rays of merciful light, the last message of mercy to be given to the world, is a revelation of His character of love.
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Re: Christ Desired and Lusted to Sin? [Re: Rosangela] #112118
04/21/09 01:01 PM
04/21/09 01:01 PM
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It means "without sin."

Two things: 1) What is "sin"?

If you consider sin to be just an act, then the sentences would mean, "Adam came forth from the hand of his Maker without the taint of an act of sin." "The first Adam was created a pure, sinless being, without the taint of an act of sin; he was in the image of God."

If you think this makes sense, how am I going to convince you that it doesn't? But if sin is more than an act, if it is also our nature, these texts clearly refer to Adam's nature.

2) Does "sin" taint? The text says it does.


I think she was saying of both Christ and Adam that they had not taint of sin upon their character. Like this:

Quote:
Though He had no taint of sin upon His character, yet He condescended to connect our fallen human nature with His divinity.


I agree that sin taints, which has been my point. Sin taints, not nature. She never said we are tainted by having a sinful nature. I went through every reference of hers in this regard, looking specifically for how she used the word "taint" in reference to us (fallen human beings) and not one time did she use the word in any other way than having to do with sin (i.e. committing sin). So you're basing an argument on her using the term for Christ differently than she used it for us, and differently than how her colleagues used it.


Those who wait for the Bridegroom's coming are to say to the people, "Behold your God." The last rays of merciful light, the last message of mercy to be given to the world, is a revelation of His character of love.
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Re: Christ Desired and Lusted to Sin? [Re: Tom] #112121
04/21/09 02:53 PM
04/21/09 02:53 PM
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I think she was saying of both Christ and Adam that they had not taint of sin upon their character.

I agree, because what I hold is that the "sinful nature" Christ took did not involve the moral/spiritual aspect, which is exactly the character. But I hold we are born, and Adam was created, with a character.

"God made Adam after His own character, pure and upright. There were no corrupt principles in the first Adam, no corrupt propensities or tendencies to evil." {AG 344.3}

"The human race do not stand in the righteousness of character which Adam possessed at his creation." {ST, June 11, 1894 par. 11}

So when Ellen White says,

"The first Adam was created a pure, sinless being, without a taint of sin upon him; he was in the image of God." {13MR 18.1}

I believe she refers to his character. But you don't (or at least you didn't) believe man is born/was created with a character. Could you please clarify?

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