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Re: does God punish?
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06/23/13 04:11 AM
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God says He punishes. Who are we to contradict the Almighty God?
I see no reason for this discussion to have consumed so much of our time. Believe God, and all is well.
Blessings,
Green Cochoa.
We can receive of heaven's light only as we are willing to be emptied of self. We can discern the character of God, and accept Christ by faith, only as we consent to the bringing into captivity of every thought to the obedience of Christ. And to all who do this, the Holy Spirit is given without measure. In Christ "dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily. And ye are complete in Him." [Colossians 2:9, 10.] {GW 57.1} -- Ellen White.
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Re: does God punish?
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06/23/13 05:26 AM
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So, is the quotation I provided wrong???? Yes or No?
Oh, that men might open their minds to know God as he is revealed in his Son! {ST, January 20, 1890}
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Re: does God punish?
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To do what God tells us not to do, or not to do what He tells us to do, is to go in the way of death. This is not because God punishes with death those who do not obey Him, but because sin itself brings forth death. Sin is the evil seed of which death is the bitter fruit. {June 12, 1902 EJW, PTUK 378.6} Yes, APL, this quote either does not present what you think it does, or it is in error. I think it's the former. I think you are abusing the statement to make it appear to say that which its author may never have intended. Again, the difference is between the reason for one's death and the execution of the death. I believe EJ Waggoner, in that quote, was speaking of the sin as being responsible for the death of the sinner. I would agree. God allows each sinner to make his or her own choice, and then God gives the desired choice to the sinner. God rewards "every man according as his work shall be." Blessings, Green Cochoa.
We can receive of heaven's light only as we are willing to be emptied of self. We can discern the character of God, and accept Christ by faith, only as we consent to the bringing into captivity of every thought to the obedience of Christ. And to all who do this, the Holy Spirit is given without measure. In Christ "dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily. And ye are complete in Him." [Colossians 2:9, 10.] {GW 57.1} -- Ellen White.
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Re: does God punish?
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06/23/13 07:39 AM
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The quote is very clear and it does not agree with what you have presented.
Oh, that men might open their minds to know God as he is revealed in his Son! {ST, January 20, 1890}
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Re: does God punish?
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Let's see if you can be clear with us about what you believe:
Do you understand the quote to say that God does not punish? (Yes or no.)
Blessings,
Green Cochoa.
We can receive of heaven's light only as we are willing to be emptied of self. We can discern the character of God, and accept Christ by faith, only as we consent to the bringing into captivity of every thought to the obedience of Christ. And to all who do this, the Holy Spirit is given without measure. In Christ "dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily. And ye are complete in Him." [Colossians 2:9, 10.] {GW 57.1} -- Ellen White.
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Re: does God punish?
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Do you understand the quote to say that God does not punish? (Yes or no.) God's ways are not our ways. I will answer exactly how EGW answers in GC36. Does the sinner suffer consequences e because of Sin? YES. "God does not stand toward the sinner as an executioner of the sentence against transgression; but He leaves the rejectors of His mercy to themselves, to reap that which they have sown."
Oh, that men might open their minds to know God as he is revealed in his Son! {ST, January 20, 1890}
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Re: does God punish?
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06/23/13 08:58 AM
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Do you understand the quote to say that God does not punish? (Yes or no.) God's ways are not our ways. I will answer exactly how EGW answers in GC36. Does the sinner suffer consequences e because of Sin? YES. "God does not stand toward the sinner as an executioner of the sentence against transgression; but He leaves the rejectors of His mercy to themselves, to reap that which they have sown." Do you believe EJ Waggoner was saying that God does not punish? (Yes or No.) Blessings, Green Cochoa.
We can receive of heaven's light only as we are willing to be emptied of self. We can discern the character of God, and accept Christ by faith, only as we consent to the bringing into captivity of every thought to the obedience of Christ. And to all who do this, the Holy Spirit is given without measure. In Christ "dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily. And ye are complete in Him." [Colossians 2:9, 10.] {GW 57.1} -- Ellen White.
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Re: does God punish?
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06/23/13 09:32 AM
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He was saying the same thing as EGW. Exactly.
Oh, that men might open their minds to know God as he is revealed in his Son! {ST, January 20, 1890}
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Re: does God punish?
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He was saying the same thing as EGW. Exactly. Ok. Do you think Mrs. White is saying that God will not punish? (Yes or no.) Blessings, Green Cochoa.
We can receive of heaven's light only as we are willing to be emptied of self. We can discern the character of God, and accept Christ by faith, only as we consent to the bringing into captivity of every thought to the obedience of Christ. And to all who do this, the Holy Spirit is given without measure. In Christ "dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily. And ye are complete in Him." [Colossians 2:9, 10.] {GW 57.1} -- Ellen White.
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Re: does God punish?
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06/23/13 10:08 AM
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Read GC 35 and 36. That is my answer. She is so clear.
Oh, that men might open their minds to know God as he is revealed in his Son! {ST, January 20, 1890}
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