I should add that depending on how you interpret the prophecy in Ezekiel 4, which already spoke of two separate fulfillments, the destruction of Jerusalem may been seen as having triple fulfillment. In any case, there is yet a fulfillment to occur for God's remnant people and not for the literal city of Jerusalem.



Here's another one with clear language about a second fulfillment of a single prophecy:



Well, that's two prophecies now with dual fulfillments--destruction of Jerusalem and the Gospel preached to all nations.

Blessings,

Green Cochoa.

Green, I think you missed one word -- No dual or multiple Fulfillments for "TIMELINE" Prophecies.

I'm not talking about seeing similar aspects of previous prophecies taking place in the futur. Ezekiel prophecied two disctinct destructions of Jerusalem.

1st destruction in 586BC : For I have laid upon thee the years of their iniquity, according to the number of the days, three hundred and ninety days: so shalt thou bear the iniquity of the house of Israel. (Eze 4:5)

2nd destruction 70AD: "And when thou hast accomplished them, lie again on thy right side, and thou shalt bear the iniquity of the house of Judah forty days: I have appointed thee each day for a year." (Eze 4:6)

I'm sure you are not saying that we're going to see another 390 years or 40 years prophecy for Jerusalem to be destroy again? Right?

Elle,

I'm sorry, I sure did miss that word. I went back to look for it and am still missing it. But let's look at the amended question for a minute. Please explain the question to me more, because I am now confused as to what exactly your question is.

All prophecies with specific fulfillments land somewhere on a time line, whether it be the point in time the prophecy was given, or the point in time that the prophecy was fulfilled, or the lapse of time between these two points. In other words, I am unclear on your definition of a "timeline prophecy." What do you mean by this term, and why do you consider the destruction of Jerusalem to not be a "timeline prophecy?" Are you speaking of only the last fulfillment of the prophecy? or the entire prophecy?

Blessings,

Green Cochoa.

Hi Green, Sorry for the confusion. I'm unsure what you mean with your questions above, so I think we are not understanding each other. So, let me try to clarify myself. First I specified timeline prophecy in my reply to Mark. Here's the quote
What I mean with timeline prophesy, is like in the example of Ezek 4. Ez 4 were a "timeline" prophesies . You brought that example to say it was a dual fulfillment of the same event. Yes it was the same event, however, a prophesy for each or two prophecies in one. It was very specific that the event was to happen twice by describing two specific time for each events to be fulfilled.

Therefore, in the example of Ezekiel 4, there was two timeline prophesy denoted, so therefore it was two prophesy:
1. 390 days/years for the first destruction of Jerusalem
2. 40 days/years for the second.

Each timeline had only one fulfillment and I'm sure you are not expecting that Ez 4 timelines of 390 years or 40years timeline will be fulfill another time. Right?

So, I'm launching as a statement or principle of prophesy interpretation that

"All prophesies in the Bible that has a define literal time associated to it, has only one fulfillment in this earth history."

I'm not saying that my statement is true, and that's why I'm asking if anyone knows any other singel timeline prophecy in the Bible that has a dual fulfillment?

I know I have trouble explaining my thoughts, so if this is unclear, do let me know.

Why should we look for something entirely new?
I firmly believe what happened in the French Revolution (and EGW devoted a whole chapter explaining Rev. 11 as it played out in the French Revolution) will be repeated in the cities. It's not just "licenciousness" and "idolatry" it's A REVOLUTION -- A Reign of Terror -- people overturning the constitutional government BY FORCE, terror where people turn against each other and people are killed by the thousands. Read that chapter in Great Controversy -- chapter 15 --

I don't believe in "futurism" I believe the historical elements of strife revealed in prophecy (elements which are not dead by any means) will all be engaged in a bitter, terrible time of trouble -- it's by understanding the prophetic meaning in its historical setting that we can understand what elements of strife will erupt in the future.

It's in the cities where the "blood baths" tend to occur. Out of the cities -- if you want to escape the most terrible 'revolution" "reign of terror" that will come.

EGW clearly and forcefully relates Revelation 11 to the French Revolution (GC chpt 15)-- HISTORY (not prophecy) will repeat itself in an awful REVOLUTION and "reign of terror" in the cities.

America is already preparing for it.

The "fire and brimstone" may well be "nuclear explosions".

The same type of thing happened in Jerusalem just before its fall in 70A.D. where factions within the city were turning on each other in horrendous crimes of terror, revolting against the govenment and killing anyone that didn't go along with them. Finally the Romans ended it by burning the city, the temple and many of the people within the city. It too is an example of what the trouble at the end of this earth's history will be like.
"Satan will plunge the inhabitants of the earth into one great, final trouble. As the angels of God cease to hold in check the fierce winds of human passion, all the elements of strife will be let loose. The whole world will be involved in ruin more terrible than that which came upon Jerusalem of old." {FLB 215.5}

Yes, get out of the cities -- the scenes of the French reign of terror will be played out again.

you stated that very well, dedication.

better than i think i could have done.

and it is so very true.

what happened in jerusalem at the babylonian captivity, in 70ad, the overthrow of babylon, so many historical examples of what it will be like when we are not personally connected with our Savior...

it will be more than horrible.

trying to make future applications without firmly holding onto a knowledge of what happened in the past just leaves us groundless, it takes away from the great controversy that is so important for us to understand and makes everything meaningless and happenstance.

its more along the lines of psychic predictions with no rhyme or reason.

very, very, good points you brought out!

I agree --
Time prophecies are linear NOT circular.
They have a starting point and an end point.

A lot of confusion has come into Adventist circles due to people trying to break down the day/year principle and reapply these timelines to various situations. Some claiming prophetic time lines aren't literal time and thus taking license to dispense with the day/year principle and come up with new intepretions with what they call literal time.
However, all those prophetic timelines are already LITERAL YEARS, and by reverting them into "days" we are only destroying the day/year principles which give these prophecies the foundation upon which our beliefs are built.

For example -- The 70 weeks or 490 days started in 457 B.C. and pointed to Messiah's coming and starting His ministry in 27 A.D. crucified in "the midst of the last week" in 31 A.D. and the apostles continuing to confirm the covenant with the Jews FIRST till the 490 years had come to a close in 34 A.D.

The 70 weeks, or 490 day/years will not be repeated, they are fulfilled.

All the timelines have a beginning date and ending date. They were all FUTURE at the time when they were written.

In the last 50 or so years I've seen those timelines misapplied to all kinds of dates and "possibilities" with people claiming it is the "new light of present truth" which the church must accept, only to be embarrased as their carefully crafted and detailed speculative timelines crashed.

We've been warned OVER AND OVER not to focus on time again for ANY future events leading up to Christ's coming.



"I want you to see that it is not in the providence of God that any finite man shall, by any device or reckoning that he may make of figures, or of symbols, or of types, know with any definiteness in regard to the very period of the Lord's coming.{10MR 272.1}

"God has not revealed to us the time when this message will close, or when probation will have an end. Those things that are revealed we shall accept for ourselves and for our children; but let us not seek to know that which has been kept secret in the councils of the Almighty. {1SM 191.1}

"there is no command for anyone to search the Scripture in order to ascertain, if possible, when probation will close. God has no such message for any mortal lips.{1SM 191.2}

Exactly! Agreed!

People want the future outlined in step by step detail in psychic fashion as that gives a sense of control, yet it is by understanding the historic unscrolling of the prophecies as they reveal events over centuries of earth's history, that we can understand the issues and who the last day players will be.
We've been warned to leave the cities, etc., and now the REVIVAL we need is to be so connected with Christ, settled in truth, that nothing can move us away from Him.

Yes, as was brought out earlier -- the 1888 message --
The faith of Jesus indwelling us, guiding us, saving us, sustaining us; and living the righteous law of God with patient endurance.
Can we see the 1888 message in the prophecies?

It's the Laodicean call --
Let Christ fully into our lives
Buy His gold of faith
His robe of righteousness
His eye salve of descernment



Faith is the victory that overcomes the world.
Faith in Christ!

Mark or Eugene: Can you offer a harmonizing explanation here?

I recall she also wrote that Daniel 11:30-45 (preamble to Christ standing up) would be repeated, but can't locate the source.
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What is the warning in Daniel 12?


"there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation [even] to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book."

So what is the important thing here?

Those who will be delivered must have what?

------their Names written in the Book (of Life) ---------

vs 12:10 Many shall be purified, and made white,

What is the important thing here?


Compare:



Everyone else will end up worshipping the beast,



"And there shall in no wise enter into it (heavenly Jerusalem) any thing that defileth, neither whatsoever worketh abomination, or maketh a lie: but they which are written in the Lamb's book of life" [Rev. 21:27].
Well may you ask, "Is my name written there?" It is registered in that book of life if you have a character that is pure and holy like the character of Christ. Faith in the truth alone will not save us. We must be like Christ if we shall one day see Him as He is.
"Every man that hath this hope in him purifieth himself even as He is pure." Any hope aside and separate from purity and righteousness is a snare of Satan, sophistry, and fatal delusion. {TSB 134.4}