Right. They believe God justifies sinners in spite of their sinful habits and practices; whereas, we believe God justifies sinners when He sets them free from their sinful habits and practices.

Rosangela said "No other church has all those truths together." Your clarification here basically states "there is no other church".

Thomas, no other church has all the truth necessary to be translated alive when Jesus arrives. Those who reject the truth will be destroyed when Jesus arrives.

And how is that different from my preceding post?

Not sure. What do you mean?

How is "Rosangela said "No other church has all those truths together." Your clarification here basically states "there is no other church"." different from "Thomas, no other church has all the truth necessary to be translated alive when Jesus arrives. Those who reject the truth will be destroyed when Jesus arrives."?

Saying that "there is no other church", or "there is only the sda church" seems to me exactly the same as saying that "everyone who does not subscribe to the sda distinctive doctrines (perhaps even a specific brand of sda distinctive doctrines?) will meet the same end as the worst infidel". But you seem reluctant to agree. Can you explain why?

"No other church has all the truth necessary to be translated alive when Jesus arrives. Those who reject the truth will be destroyed when Jesus arrives."

Please note that I'm talking about a very specific point in time, namely, when probation closes. Those who hear and refuse to heed the final warning message will be destroyed when Jesus arrives. During the closing scenes of Earth's history only SDAs will be proclaiming the final warning message. Do you agree?

PS - Between now and then people who die living up to the light they have will be resurrected and taken to heaven even if they were not living in harmony with everything Jesus commanded. But when probation closes no one will be ignorant of the truth. All will make a conscious, informed decision to obey or not to obey the truth. Each will be rewarded accordingly.

I do not agree that someone who dies 1 week, 1 month, 1 year or 1000 years before probation closes will have a different measure than one who dies one day after. The troubles that Gods people go through will be different in kind and intensity from one time to another but the strength to keep the believer is the same today, the hour probation closes, just as it has been ever since God sought Adam in the garden that fateful day long ago.

It is my view that SDAs can only reach the position where the above scenario can be played out through finally surrendering the last traces of "closed door" error from the first decade of this denomination. SDAs can only do what you describe above when we realize that we are NOT the privileged 144000 who through "secret knowledge" and an effort that no one else managed to live up to could claim a place among "the remnant". SDAs can only serve the world when SDAs swallow our pride and follow the example of our Lord who did not regard the glories of heaven an excuse not to humble Himself and become a baby in what we would today call "an godforsaken outback" as far away from the limelight as you could be.

Further, to borrow a picture from Paul, Adventists may be the mouth, but if the whole body is a mouth, how will it hear? Adventists may be the feet, but if the whole body is a foot, how will it reach out?

19And if they were all one member, where were the body?
20But now are they many members, yet but one body.

22Nay, much more those members of the body, which seem to be more feeble, are necessary:
23And those members of the body, which we think to be less honourable, upon these we bestow more abundant honour; and our uncomely parts have more abundant comeliness.
24For our comely parts have no need: but God hath tempered the body together, having given more abundant honour to that part which lacked.
25That there should be no schism in the body; but that the members should have the same care one for another.
26And whether one member suffer, all the members suffer with it; or one member be honoured, all the members rejoice with it.
27Now ye are the body of Christ, and members in particular.

Paul writes this about the different functions but I think it has something to say to a denominational situation aswell, not least after this introduction:
12Now this I say, that every one of you saith, I am of Paul; and I of Apollos; and I of Cephas; and I of Christ.
13Is Christ divided? was Paul crucified for you? or were ye baptized in the name of Paul?

Thomas, do you think Catholic, Baptist, Lutheran, Presbyterian, Episcopal, et cetera beliefs represent the truth necessary to be translated alive? Do you think people will be translated alive irrespective of the truth? If so, on what basis will they be translated alive? Or, do you think having the truth is necessary to be translated alive?

PS - I believe people who live up to the truth they received will be resurrected and taken to heaven. However, being translated alive when Jesus arrives is an altogether different deal. Only those who have the seal of God will be translated alive. Those who rejected the seal of God and received the mark of the beast will be destroyed when Jesus arrives. Do you agree?