Tom, who, more than A&E, was ready for heaven after they sinned? And yet their one sin made repentance necessary. Repentqance is prerequiste.

I said that.

Good. I'm glad we agree repentance is necessary. I also happen to believe God cannot save sinners without it. In those cases where death occurred before repentance happened, I believe God must impute repentance and righteousness in order to pardon and save them. You seem to disagree.

"Repentance" comes from the Greek words "meta noya", which means "after mind". The idea is that one used to think one way, but now thinks another. When one chooses the way of sin, one has embarked upon a direction, the end of which is death. God knows the end from the beginning, and warns of this end.

It is because sin involves a destination that asking if one sin is sufficient to cause one to die is a moot question. The problem is the direction, one contrary to God. The number of sins is irrelevant. If one chooses to direct oneself aligned with God, that's what matters. Of course, if one is directed against God, then this requires repentance.

You seem to be seeing that there is some arbitrary need for repentance in order for God to be able to repent, as if this were some sort of a rule restraining God's behavior. I'm disagreeing with this idea.

What I view as the important thing is that the believer has chosen to align oneself with God. Moses sinned in a moment of weakness, but as you yourself pointed out, this was not what was in Moses' heart. Actually, your words were that Moses repented the instant he sinned, which demonstrates that it was no in Moses' heart to act contrary to God's wishes.

Moses was aligned with God, or, to put it another way, in harmony with God, and this was the important thing. No need for imputed repentance!

My idea is when a man sinned, he is not lost at the moment he sinned. His salvation is granted and will be his forever as long he may hold his faith. He is only lost when God closed the door of mercy for him while he is in sin, because he has no more time for repentance.

We are only lost when we still have sins unrepentant when God closed our "door of mercy", before that we are still considered in a safe condition, because eternal life is still ours.

Christ had saved us once and forever, he had given us the right to live again even we must die because of our sins.

In His love

Do you agree he was not in harmony with God when he sinned? Assuming you do, do you also agree repentance was required?

What do you mean by "not in harmony"? Given what I understand your understanding of "required" to be, I would say no, Moses' repentance was not required. Given my understanding (as explained above, in post #122332) I would say it was.

I assume you agree with me that Moses was not in harmony with God when he sinned.

Do you agree Moses was not in harmony with God while in the throes of sinning?

What do you mean by "not in harmony"? What's your point?

Here's my point. Had Moses died when he struck the rock, he would have been saved, because of the condition of his heart (or character).



Moses had been revealing his character all along. A moment of weakness did not cause him to be lost.