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THE NEW AMALGAMATION
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12/28/09 11:52 PM
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THE NEW AMALGAMATION
Here are excerpts from an article in the Los Angeles Times, March 22, 2005, by Jeremy Rifkin
A Man or a Mouse? Or Both?
What happens when you cross a human and a mouse? While it sounds like the beginning of a bad joke, it's not...It's a fact, a serious experiment recently carried out by a research team headed by a distinguished molecular biologist, Irving Weissman, at Stanford Univerisity. Human brain cells were injected into mouse fetuses, creating a strain of mice that were approximately 1% human. Weissman is considering a follow-up experiment that would produce mice whose brains are made up of 100% human cells....
In a world where the bizarre has become all too commonplace, few things shock the human psyche. But experiments like this that produced a partially humanized mouse stretch the limits of human tinkering with nature to the realm of the pathological.
This new research field--creating hybrid creatures out of different species--is at the cutting edge of the biotech revolution and is called chimeric experimentation (after the monster of Greek mythology that was part lion, part goat and part serpent).
The first such chimeric experiment occurred many years ago when scientists in Edinburgh, Scotland, fused together a sheep and goat embryo--two completely unrelated animal species that are incapable of mating and producing a hybrid offspring in nature. The resulting creature, called a geep, was born with the head of a goat and the body of a sheep.
Now, scientists have their sights trained on breaking the final taboo in the natural world--crossing humans and animals to create new human-animal hybrids of every kind and description. Already, aside from the humanized mouse, scientists have created pigs with human blood running through their veins and sheep with livers and hearts that ae mostly human.
These experiments are designed to advance medical research. Many genetic engineers argue that human-animal hybrids will usher in a golden era of medicine. Researchers say the more humanized they can make research animals, the better able they will be to model the progression of human diseases, test new drugs and harvest tissues and organs for transplantation into human bodies.
Certain researchers are speculating about human-chimpanzee chimeras--creating a humanzee. Such a specimen would be the ideal laboratory research animal because chimpanzees are so closely related to human beings--sharing 98% of the human genome....Fusing a human and chimpanzee embryio--a feat researchers say is quite feasible--could produce a creature so human that questions regarding its moral and legal status would throw 4,000 years of ethics into utter chaos....
Remember that none of this is science fiction. Anticipating a flurry of new experiments, the National Academy of Sciences, the country's most august scientific body, is expected to issue guidelines for chimeric research in April of 2005. What are the ramifications of creating hundreds, even thousands, of new life-forms that are part human and part other creature? Creatures that could mate, reproduce and repopulate the Earth?
Bioethicists are already clearing the moral path for human-animal chimeric experiments, being confident that once society gets past the revulsion factor, the prospect of new, partially human creatures has much to offer the human race.
This macabre journey into a Brave New World in which all of nature can be ruthlessly manipulated and re-engineered to suit the momentary needs and whims and caprices of just one species, the Homo sapiens. Indeed, we risk undermining our own species' biological integrity in the name of human progress. With chimeric technology, scientists now have the power to rewrite a God-given process--to sprinkle parts of Homo sapiens into the rest of the animal kingdom as well as fuse parts of other species into our own genome and even to create new human subspecies and super-species.
Are we on the cusp of a biological renaissance, as some believe, or are we sowing the seeds of our own destruction?
What scientists fail to mention is that there are other equally promising and less invasive alternatives to these bizarre experiments. There's sophisticated computer modeling to study disease and to test the effectiveness and toxicity of drugs. There's in vitro tissue culture, nanotechnology and artificial prostheses to substitute for human tissue and organs. When it comes to chimeric experimentation, then, the question is, at what price?
I belive the price is too steep. We should draw the line at this type of experiementation and prohibit any further research into creating human-animal chimeras. --end of article.
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Re: THE NEW AMALGAMATION
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12/29/09 12:11 AM
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This is serious, brothers an sisters! Listen:
"If there was one sin above another which called for the destruction of the race by the flood, it was the base crime of amalgamation of man and beast which defaced the image of God, and caused confusion everywhere. God purposed to destroy by a flood that powerful, long-lived race that had corrupted their ways before Him. He would not suffer them to live out the days of their natural life, which would be hundreds of years. It was on a few generations back when Adam had access to that tree which was to prolong life. After his disobedience he was not suffered to eat of the tree of life and perpetuate a life of sin." --Ellen White, Spiritual Gifts, Vol. 3, p. 64.
Comment/question: Can men nowadays follow in the same path the antediluvians did and not suffer a similar fate?
Suzanne
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Re: THE NEW AMALGAMATION
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12/29/09 12:49 AM
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In college (SDA) I learned that the SOP passage posted above means amalgamations occurred between humans and between animals - not between humans and animals.
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Re: THE NEW AMALGAMATION
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If I had to speculate, I'd say the world has less than twenty five years of probation left. No one knows when Jesus will return but it's definitely imminent.
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Re: THE NEW AMALGAMATION
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12/29/09 01:22 AM
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More Info On Amalgamation
This is from Alive: Canadian Journal of Health and Nutrition, Nov. 1998.
Biotech News, by Richard Wolfson, PhD.
* Pigs are being genetically engineered with human genes to provide organs for human transplants. However, according to the UK medical journal, Lancet, organs from pigs could infect humans with porcine endogenous retrovirus (PERV), a new, possibly deadly virus.
* Scientists at a well-know university in the U.S. have successfully inserted human genes that code for human milk into potatoes. The researchers are seeking to create potatoes that generate human milk. Patenting of this process, if successful, could lead to huge financial gain. The potential side effects of the milk are clearly unknown at this stage. --end of article.
In regard to pig organs for human transplants, other researchers writing in the peer-reviewed British scientific journal Nature cautioned that a common vius carried by pigs can infect human cells in the lab and become active in mice transplanted with pig cells.
Scientists have long been aware that pigs carry "endogenous" viruses--some known, while other remain undiscovered. The viruses' DNA mingle with the animals' own genes and is now simply inherited along with pig genes. Certain scientists worry that if pig tissues are transplanted to people, this viral DNA might make viruses that will infect people. This could unleash infectious diseases previously unknown in humans.
Indeed, this concern was expressed by Murray Cohen, a medical consultant in the Washington-based Physicians Committee for Responsible Medicine, and Andrew Breslin, A PCRM research coordinator. Their column, Will Swine Usher in Next Black Death? appeared in the August 29, 2000 Detroit Free Press.
These authors warn that novel diseases of unprecedented virulence could be released into the human population, diseases totally foreign to our immune systems. Millions of people could die.
Cohen and Breslin go on to lament the fact that the Western worlds' taste for beer, cheeseburgers, etc., helps create an early need for organ replacements. They point out that attempts to promote preventive medicine--emphasizing lifestyle choices that exert less wear and tear on our organs are virtually nonexistent. (SDAs...where are you? This is our health message!!!!) The sensible solution, they say, is to bring these matters prominently to public consciousness. "Let's get [North] America to avoid the things that destroy our organs in the first place, from fatty and cholesterol-laden foods to tobacco to alcohol."
Note: At least we can say that since this article was published, more and more information has surfaced concerning how we can and should take care of ourselves. At the same time some researchers are continuing full speed ahead in the new amalgamation.
Suzanne
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Re: THE NEW AMALGAMATION
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12/29/09 10:40 PM
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Bernell E. Baldwin, Ph.D., a neurophysiologist at Wildwood Lifestyle Center and Hospital, in Wildwood Georgia, has written an important article entitled The New Amalgamation. The complete text can be found in their Journal of Health and Healing, Vol. 23, No. 1, 2000.
Here Dr. Baldwin points out that human genes are being put into pigs, animal genes are spliced into plants and both are injected into bacteria....An untried technology is churning out new combinations of genes from any and everywhere--plant, animal, or man--to almost everywhere. This new techno-genetics, is capable of splicing genes without enough of the wisdom to follow principles from the Bible, physiology, biology, or ecology. This can only result in mass confusion.
Indeed, current genetic engineers, trained under evolutionary presuppositions, are treading in uncharted waters in areas that are best left alone.
Dr. Baldwin's article in its entirety should be read by all interested in this subject. He presents many examples and warns of the long-term human and environmental outcomes of this daring amalgamation of very diverse kinds.
Suzanne
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Re: THE NEW AMALGAMATION
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12/30/09 04:07 AM
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Genetic engineering -- Amalagamation between man and beast Yes, for years people have ridiculed EGW's statement and some Adventists have tried to explain it as just another way to express wrong associations with unbelievers but -- Suzanne, I think you've got the correct explanation. For one thing -- EGW does state that amalgamation produced confusion of species. 1SP.078.002 Every species of animals which God had created was preserved in the ark. The confused species which God did not create, which were the result of amalgamation, were destroyed by the flood. Yes, I know, the critics say, "There was no genetic engineering in Noah's day! The trouble is, people have been so indoctrinated with the evolution theory that even those who still believe in a six day creation have a hard time conceiving of the idea that people before the flood were extremely intelligent and advanced scientifically. Their knowledge and skill and understanding was WAY BEYOND OUR OWN. Once the evolutionary picture of preflood people being primitive food gathers gets erased then these so called statements of EGW are no problem. THE PREFLOOD PEOPLE EXPERIMENTED WITH GENETICS just like scientists are doing today. We should understand this as a warning that is very relevant to us today. Consider the full scope of what EGW says about preflood people and the puzzle starts coming together in a clearer picture. Manuscript Releases Volume Four, page 149, paragraph 2 (Genesis 6:5-18, quoted.) "There perished in the Flood greater inventions of art and human skill than the world knows of today. The arts destroyed were more than the boasted arts of today. The Lord was forgotten. This long-lived race were constantly devising how they might institute a war with the universe of heaven and gain possession of Eden. When men talk of the improvements that are made in higher education, they are aping the inhabitants of the Noetic world. They are yielding to the temptation of Satan to eat of the tree of knowledge, of which God has said, "Ye shall not eat of it, lest ye." God gave men a trial, and the result was the destruction of the world by a flood. In this age of the world's history there are teachers and students who suppose that their advancement in knowledge supersedes the knowledge of God, and their cry is "Higher education." They consider that they have greater knowledge than the greatest Teacher the world has ever known.
How did man gain his knowledge of how to devise?--From the Lord, by studying the formation and habits of different animals. If men could only know how many arts have been lost to our world, they would not talk so fluently of the dark ages. Could they have seen how God once worked through His human subjects, they would speak with less confidence of the arts of the antediluvian world. MORE WAS LOST IN THE FLOOD, IN MANY WAYS, THAN MEN TODAY KNOW.
Looking upon the world, God saw that the intellect He had given man was perverted, that the imagination of his heart was evil and that continually. God had given these men knowledge. He had given them valuable ideas, that they might carry out His plan. But the Lord saw that those whom He designed should possess wisdom, tact, and judgment, were using every quality of the mind to glorify self. By the waters of the Flood, He blotted this long-lived race from the earth, and with them perished the knowledge they had used only for evil. WHEN THE EARTH WAS REPEOPLED, THE LORD TRUSTED HIS WISDOM MORE SPARINGLY TO MEN, giving them only the ability they would need in carrying out His great plan (Letter 175, 1896).
True knowledge has decreased with every successive generation.. . .There are many inventions and improvements, and labor-saving machines now that the ancients did not have. They did not need them. . . . IN STRENGTH OF INTELLECT, MEN WHO NOW LIVE CAN BEAR NO COMPARISON TO THE ANCIENTS. There have been more ancient arts lost than the present generation now possess. For skill and art those living in this degenerate age will not compare with the KNOWLEDGE POSSESSED BY STRONG MEN WHO LIVED NEAR ONE THOUSAND YEARS. Men before the Flood lived many hundreds of years, and when one hundred years old they were considered but youths. Those long-lived men had sound minds in sound bodies. Their mental and physical strength was so great that the present feeble generation can bear no comparison to them. Those ancients had nearly one thousand years in which to acquire knowledge. They came upon the stage of action from the ages of sixty to one hundred years, about the time those who now live the longest have acted their part in their little short life time, and have passed off the stage. Those who are deceived, and flattered on in the delusion that the present is an age of real progress, and that the human race has been in ages past progressing in true knowledge, are under the influence of the father of lies, whose work has ever been to turn the truth of God into a lie (4SG 154-156). BC 1089 "But if there was one sin above another which called for the destruction of the race by the flood, it was the base crime of amalgamation of man and beast which defaced the image of God," 3SG.064When EGW wrote that, genetic engineering was not thought possible and of course cross breeding among different species does not happen naturally, so people have ridiculed this revelation of conditions prior to the flood. However today, the question that should face every person is not really to argue over whether God revealed to EGW that this evil existed way back then; the question should be — where is our present day fascination of amalgamation leading the world today? We are closer to the fulfilment of 2 Peter 3 then we think!
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Re: THE NEW AMALGAMATION
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12/31/09 01:30 PM
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Genetic engineering -- Amalagamation between man and beast Yes, for years people have ridiculed EGW's statement and some Adventists have tried to explain it as just another way to express wrong associations with unbelievers but -- Do you have any idea how intelligent you could be if you had 7 to 900 years of learning with perfect memory? No doubt at all they were much more intelligent. Harold Suzanne, I think you've got the correct explanation. For one thing -- EGW does state that amalgamation produced confusion of species. 1SP.078.002 Every species of animals which God had created was preserved in the ark. The confused species which God did not create, which were the result of amalgamation, were destroyed by the flood. Yes, I know, the critics say, "There was no genetic engineering in Noah's day! The trouble is, people have been so indoctrinated with the evolution theory that even those who still believe in a six day creation have a hard time conceiving of the idea that people before the flood were extremely intelligent and advanced scientifically. Their knowledge and skill and understanding was WAY BEYOND OUR OWN. Once the evolutionary picture of preflood people being primitive food gathers gets erased then these so called statements of EGW are no problem. THE PREFLOOD PEOPLE EXPERIMENTED WITH GENETICS just like scientists are doing today. We should understand this as a warning that is very relevant to us today. Consider the full scope of what EGW says about preflood people and the puzzle starts coming together in a clearer picture. Manuscript Releases Volume Four, page 149, paragraph 2 (Genesis 6:5-18, quoted.) "There perished in the Flood greater inventions of art and human skill than the world knows of today. The arts destroyed were more than the boasted arts of today. The Lord was forgotten. This long-lived race were constantly devising how they might institute a war with the universe of heaven and gain possession of Eden. When men talk of the improvements that are made in higher education, they are aping the inhabitants of the Noetic world. They are yielding to the temptation of Satan to eat of the tree of knowledge, of which God has said, "Ye shall not eat of it, lest ye." God gave men a trial, and the result was the destruction of the world by a flood. In this age of the world's history there are teachers and students who suppose that their advancement in knowledge supersedes the knowledge of God, and their cry is "Higher education." They consider that they have greater knowledge than the greatest Teacher the world has ever known.
How did man gain his knowledge of how to devise?--From the Lord, by studying the formation and habits of different animals. If men could only know how many arts have been lost to our world, they would not talk so fluently of the dark ages. Could they have seen how God once worked through His human subjects, they would speak with less confidence of the arts of the antediluvian world. MORE WAS LOST IN THE FLOOD, IN MANY WAYS, THAN MEN TODAY KNOW.
Looking upon the world, God saw that the intellect He had given man was perverted, that the imagination of his heart was evil and that continually. God had given these men knowledge. He had given them valuable ideas, that they might carry out His plan. But the Lord saw that those whom He designed should possess wisdom, tact, and judgment, were using every quality of the mind to glorify self. By the waters of the Flood, He blotted this long-lived race from the earth, and with them perished the knowledge they had used only for evil. WHEN THE EARTH WAS REPEOPLED, THE LORD TRUSTED HIS WISDOM MORE SPARINGLY TO MEN, giving them only the ability they would need in carrying out His great plan (Letter 175, 1896).
True knowledge has decreased with every successive generation.. . .There are many inventions and improvements, and labor-saving machines now that the ancients did not have. They did not need them. . . . IN STRENGTH OF INTELLECT, MEN WHO NOW LIVE CAN BEAR NO COMPARISON TO THE ANCIENTS. There have been more ancient arts lost than the present generation now possess. For skill and art those living in this degenerate age will not compare with the KNOWLEDGE POSSESSED BY STRONG MEN WHO LIVED NEAR ONE THOUSAND YEARS. Men before the Flood lived many hundreds of years, and when one hundred years old they were considered but youths. Those long-lived men had sound minds in sound bodies. Their mental and physical strength was so great that the present feeble generation can bear no comparison to them. Those ancients had nearly one thousand years in which to acquire knowledge. They came upon the stage of action from the ages of sixty to one hundred years, about the time those who now live the longest have acted their part in their little short life time, and have passed off the stage. Those who are deceived, and flattered on in the delusion that the present is an age of real progress, and that the human race has been in ages past progressing in true knowledge, are under the influence of the father of lies, whose work has ever been to turn the truth of God into a lie (4SG 154-156). BC 1089 "But if there was one sin above another which called for the destruction of the race by the flood, it was the base crime of amalgamation of man and beast which defaced the image of God," 3SG.064When EGW wrote that, genetic engineering was not thought possible and of course cross breeding among different species does not happen naturally, so people have ridiculed this revelation of conditions prior to the flood. However today, the question that should face every person is not really to argue over whether God revealed to EGW that this evil existed way back then; the question should be — where is our present day fascination of amalgamation leading the world today? We are closer to the fulfilment of 2 Peter 3 then we think!
Harold T.
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Re: THE NEW AMALGAMATION
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Genetic engineering --
Amalagamation between man and beast
Actually, the Ellen White quote above was: "amalgamation of man and beast" It doesn't say man with beast. It doesn't say between man and beast. I agree her statement does seem ambiguous. However, the rest of the paragraph doesn't seem to be having anything to do with man with beast.
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Re: THE NEW AMALGAMATION
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"Every species of animals which God had created was preserved in the ark. The confused species which God did not create, which were the result of amalgamation, were destroyed by the flood. Since the flood, there has been amalgamation of man and beast, as may be seen in the almost endless varieties of species of animals, and in certain races of men." {1SP 78.2} Notice, she is refering to SPECIES, not variations within species. The amalgamation produced new species, something that does not happen naturally, but can happen by genetic engineering.
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