Elle, according to Genesis 6, who did wrong, who was being "punished"?

Of course they can mate. But, are they fertile like some mules?
Or keeping in mind that some places outlaw owning crosses of bobcats and cats.
Would by any chance you be starting to define what a "species" is?

Zonkey, Zorses, and Mules, Ligers and Tigons and Wolphins.
http://www.answersingenesis.org/articles/aid/v3/n1/zonkeys-ligers-wholphins

Here's an interesting Zorse photo:
http://www.dailycognition.com/index.php/2007/06/28/a-zebra-horse-hybrid-comes-to-life.html

Hi Kland, I'm surprise you formulated the question as "who was being "punished""? Maybe that's why you put it in quotes right?
However, for the sake of the discussion, I think that's a good question.

First we see what concerns God -- It is the level of wickedness. I think this is the main issue of the destruction and even I would suggest that it was what caused the expanse above the earth to break.

There's many things in the world of science we do not understand despite our high technology. I saw a creationist/scientist video explaining that the expanse of water above the earth was condensed and compacted water molecules. Today in the lab, they can condense water molecules under high pressure that becomes hard like steel. This creationist scientist went on to explain that the water from the flood came from this steel shield (expanse of compacted water) which was broken and released.

Broken by what? He explained that it could of came from the intensity of the combined wicked spirit which was no longer in harmony with the heavenly spirit that was on the outside of the shield, which caused a clash. I don't know physic enough to know what two opposite forces can do, but this creationist said that it weakened the shield over time.


Take note that there was also "the fountain of the great deep" that broke off. According to the order these are mentioned, it's very possible that the fountain of the great deep broke off first. This Creationist mentions something about under the crust of the earth there was an abondance of water type of system which differs from todays. It's been almost 15 years since I've saw his video tape; so forgive me for not remembering all the details.

However, he explained that because of the force of wicked spirit that first weakened the shield(expanse) and somehow caused these fountains to brake, and then the fountains shoot with great force up and broke the shield which at the impact caused the decompaction of the water molecules of the shield.

I haven't looked into this much beside verify that it is true that water can be compacted into metal like form. However, this showed me that there's much that man today don't understand. Most people today assume that it is God that caused the flood and destroy man and all animals; however, how do we base this conclusion? With what we know of today? Naaaw! I rather stick believing what Jesus manifested about the Father's character when he offered to Judas to drink the wine at the last supper. God does not punish -- he forgaved the whole world.


Does God need to repent? This word here and most of the time employed in referring to God, means "a deep breath" or a "Sigh". Why is God sighing? Because he knows we are but dust : very influenceable and vulnerable to outside forces which includes evil spirit. I don't see that the Bible says in any way their was any blame pointed on anyone and they needed to be punished, but just telling what happened and a big "SIGH" from the Creator. Then we see our wonderful Creator taking full responsibility of what is happening, by saying "I will destroy...". All over the Bible this is depicted when other verses says the other side of the story. Our God is great and took full responsibility because he is the Creator and ultimatly is responsible for everything by creating us and the angels as free chosing being.

What do we know about the world of the Angels? Not very much as the Bible doesn't say much and it's focuss is for the salvation of man. We know that man was made a little lower than the angels. Maybe we are very similar in kin? What do we know about the creation of the angels? Maybe God used the same method of creation, making 1 male and 1 female, and having them populate the heavens? Is that too far fetch of a thought? Isn't that His way for man to populate the earth? And the same for the animals? Maybe the offsprings of angels and man would be sterile like a mule. Anyway, we just don't know much.

To get back to your question, I see that the Bible focuss on man and it relates that the problem was that the wickedness of man has reached the maximum level that caused many problems including the increased violence within the animals. Negative thoughts within our very own body, destroys our very own cells. However, our thoughts has not reached that level of wickedness yet. Imagine the possible effect if every man on earth having continually wicked thoughts, what would be the possible effect on the behavior of the animals?

I believe the flood was a consequential result of the level of wickedness reached by all men, and the vulnerable state the earth was at that time -- fresh from creation with a shield covering it. Probably, Satan knew about this also and it was his tentative to destroy all mankind with the flood. However, the ark was built to save one family and animals from every specie to restart the earth population. The flood was not an act of destruction of God, but rather God forsaw what was coming and saved what He could save.

Who knows, that maybe after the flood, Satan and the angels lost some priviledges and couldn't anymore co-habit (or whatever they might been able to do) with men anymore. God couldn't remove all priviledges from the evil angels right away and we see in the Bible as the Great controversy unfolds, the evil angels increasingly looses their priviledges and right now they are not allow to presents themselves in heaven and are no longer visible on earth. They have been put in the bottomless pit under key. Rev 12:7-9 However, they will be allow to come out again and be visible amoungst us. Rev 9:1,2,3,11

Elle,

Jesus told us we will be as the angels in Heaven, i.e. without marriage. Ellen White has told us Jesus' statement on this is too clear to be misunderstood. She also tells us in clear terms that the "sons of God" who married the "daughters of men" referred to the sons of Seth marrying the daughters of Cain.

To me it is clear. There is no need to be questioning these points.

Blessings,

Green Cochoa.

This type of approach in understanding Scriptures makes us good Mormons as they put Smith( and who ever is their current prophets at the time) interpretations and writings above scriptures.

They slack in studying themselves and not seeking to be taught by God 1Jn2:27; this brings us one step away from being a good catholic. Relying on "what others says" is great training to get round up by the beast of Rev 13, in accepting whatever the pope says.

With all respect, we need to be able to prove our beliefs with scriptures.

Yes, Elle, everything I quoted there was from inspiration. Jesus is the one who said that angels do not marry. So that statement does not come from "others" but from the Source of truth.

Blessings,

Green Cochoa.

Scriptures needs to be read with the Spirit of God. How did you read those Scriptures Green? Are you sure it is really that what Jesus was saying? How do you read the following?
Do you still have both eyes Green? I haven't met one man that did what Jesus said here. Why is so?

Elle, maybe I wasn't clear or specific enough.
According to Genesis 6, most specifically, the first few verses regarding man and "angels",
who did wrong, who was being "punished"?

I know kland my answer was too long, but I did answer your question. I said that there wasn't any finger pointing, but just a telling of what happened and God is very concern with the level of wickedness in ALL men. And that God takes full responsibility despite that He was not the cause of all this.

Now, you tell me who you think did wrong and who was being "punished"?

Did these "angels" do anything wrong?