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Is it possible to live without sinning?
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06/13/10 12:37 AM
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Jesus said, "Go and sin no more," but is it possible? So many Christians say sinning is normal, not sinning is not possible. Are we supposed to accept sinning as normal?
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Re: Is it possible to live without sinning?
[Re: Mountain Man]
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06/14/10 02:06 AM
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What was the context of Jesus' statement?
What do you think our focus should be on? Not sinning, or something else?
Those who wait for the Bridegroom's coming are to say to the people, "Behold your God." The last rays of merciful light, the last message of mercy to be given to the world, is a revelation of His character of love.
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Re: Is it possible to live without sinning?
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Sin was the focus, in particular past sins (hers and theirs). Not sinning was the promise and command. Of course, forgiveness and compassion was a major part of it. Elsewhere, Jesus said, "Behold, thou art made whole: sin no more, lest a worse thing come unto thee." (John 5:14) To avoid sinning we must focus on Jesus, but more than this we must necessarily abide in Jesus and partake of the divine nature so that we can grow in grace and mature in the fruits of the Spirit. Using our time, talent, and treasure to seek and save the lost is one of the best ways to perfect Christian traits of character.
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Re: Is it possible to live without sinning?
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The focus wasn't sin in general, but a specific sin, the sin which the woman was practicing. Jesus forgave her her sin, and told her not to continue in it. He said a similar thing to the paralytic He healed. He wasn't saying, "Don't sin at all." That wouldn't have made much sense in the context. This particular woman had to be healed of demons seven times before she was finally whole. Jesus knew it would be a long battle for her, and was encouraging her at the start of the journey. To avoid sinning we must focus on Jesus, but more than this we must necessarily abide in Jesus and partake of the divine nature so that we can grow in grace and mature in the fruits of the Spirit. What does the "more than this" entail? How do you abide in Jesus? (other than by faith, which I would assume focusing on Jesus would entail). Using our time, talent, and treasure to seek and save the lost is one of the best ways to perfect Christian traits of character. Agreed.
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Re: Is it possible to live without sinning?
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He wasn't saying, "Don't sin at all." Regardless of the context, Tom, I cannot see Jesus saying any other thing than "Don't sin at all." Do you think Jesus would tell her "You can sin some, just not THIS sin anymore." ??? Jesus did say "Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father in heaven is perfect." It doesn't get any stronger than that. That statement reaches to the highest standard possible. Blessings, Green Cochoa.
We can receive of heaven's light only as we are willing to be emptied of self. We can discern the character of God, and accept Christ by faith, only as we consent to the bringing into captivity of every thought to the obedience of Christ. And to all who do this, the Holy Spirit is given without measure. In Christ "dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily. And ye are complete in Him." [Colossians 2:9, 10.] {GW 57.1} -- Ellen White.
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Re: Is it possible to live without sinning?
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06/15/10 04:50 AM
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He wasn't saying, "Don't sin at all." Regardless of the context, Tom, I cannot see Jesus saying any other thing than "Don't sin at all." Do you think Jesus would tell her "You can sin some, just not THIS sin anymore." ??? Jesus did say "Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father in heaven is perfect." It doesn't get any stronger than that. That statement reaches to the highest standard possible. A statement which, of course, also comes in a context. To be precise, a context about God acting in the same loving manner towards sinner and righteous alike.
Galatians 2 21 I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.
It is so hazardous to take here a little and there a little. If you put the right little's together you can make the bible teach anything you wish. //Graham Maxwell
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Re: Is it possible to live without sinning?
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Vaster, I believe Jesus' words in both of those statements were meant for the larger audience which includes everyone down to the present time. Those words are for you and me. The context may seem "local" but the application is "global." So one cannot correctly argue that the context limited the application. The application is vastly broader than the specific setting in which the words may have been spoken. Here are some potential applications which add "context" to Jesus' words: Today Christ is feeling the woes of every sufferer. . . . He knows how to speak the word, "Be whole," and bid the sufferer, "Go, and sin no more." {ML 154.5}
Christ is the one to be revealed in all the institutions connected with the closing work, but none of them can do it so fully as the health institution where the sick and suffering come for relief and deliverance from both physical and spiritual ailment. Many of these need, like the paralytic of old, the forgiveness of sin the first thing, and they need to learn how to "go, and sin no more." {MM 27.4}
For this erring woman the world had only contempt and scorn, but the Sinless One pitied her weakness and reached to her a helping hand. While the hypocritical Pharisees denounced, Jesus bade her, "Go, and sin no more." {MH 89.2} ... Jesus does not desire those who have been purchased at such a cost to become the sport of the enemy's temptations. He does not desire us to be overcome and perish. He who curbed the lions in their den, and walked with His faithful witnesses amid the fiery flames, is just as ready to work in our behalf to subdue every evil in our nature. ... {MH 90.1} ... The blood of Jesus Christ cleanses "from all sin." 1 John 1:7. {MH 90.3}
Because the Lord has graciously healed you, you must not think you can link yourselves up with the self-indulgent practices of the world. Do as Christ commanded after His work of healing,--"go, and sin no more." John 8:11. Appetite must not be your god. {CD 25.3} Blessings, Green Cochoa.
We can receive of heaven's light only as we are willing to be emptied of self. We can discern the character of God, and accept Christ by faith, only as we consent to the bringing into captivity of every thought to the obedience of Christ. And to all who do this, the Holy Spirit is given without measure. In Christ "dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily. And ye are complete in Him." [Colossians 2:9, 10.] {GW 57.1} -- Ellen White.
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Re: Is it possible to live without sinning?
[Re: Green Cochoa]
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06/15/10 11:43 AM
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Vaster,
I believe Jesus' words in both of those statements were meant for the larger audience which includes everyone down to the present time. Those words are for you and me. The context may seem "local" but the application is "global." So one cannot correctly argue that the context limited the application. The application is vastly broader than the specific setting in which the words may have been spoken.
So, God providing His gifts of rain and sunshine to both sinner and righteous, how is that a "local" application. I had both rain and sunshine fall on me this last weekend even though I live a continent and 2000 years away from when this was spoken. Here are some potential applications which add "context" to Jesus' words: Today Christ is feeling the woes of every sufferer. . . . He knows how to speak the word, "Be whole," and bid the sufferer, "Go, and sin no more." {ML 154.5}
Christ is the one to be revealed in all the institutions connected with the closing work, but none of them can do it so fully as the health institution where the sick and suffering come for relief and deliverance from both physical and spiritual ailment. Many of these need, like the paralytic of old, the forgiveness of sin the first thing, and they need to learn how to "go, and sin no more." {MM 27.4}
For this erring woman the world had only contempt and scorn, but the Sinless One pitied her weakness and reached to her a helping hand. While the hypocritical Pharisees denounced, Jesus bade her, "Go, and sin no more." {MH 89.2} ... Jesus does not desire those who have been purchased at such a cost to become the sport of the enemy's temptations. He does not desire us to be overcome and perish. He who curbed the lions in their den, and walked with His faithful witnesses amid the fiery flames, is just as ready to work in our behalf to subdue every evil in our nature. ... {MH 90.1} ... The blood of Jesus Christ cleanses "from all sin." 1 John 1:7. {MH 90.3}
Because the Lord has graciously healed you, you must not think you can link yourselves up with the self-indulgent practices of the world. Do as Christ commanded after His work of healing,--"go, and sin no more." John 8:11. Appetite must not be your god. {CD 25.3} Blessings, Green Cochoa.
Galatians 2 21 I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.
It is so hazardous to take here a little and there a little. If you put the right little's together you can make the bible teach anything you wish. //Graham Maxwell
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Re: Is it possible to live without sinning?
[Re: vastergotland]
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06/15/10 11:23 PM
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Tom:He wasn't saying, "Don't sin at all."
GC:Regardless of the context, Tom, I cannot see Jesus saying any other thing than "Don't sin at all." Do you think Jesus would tell her "You can sin some, just not THIS sin anymore." ??? My comment is *only* to be taken in context. I was clear in what I was saying. Jesus did say "Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father in heaven is perfect." It doesn't get any stronger than that. That statement reaches to the highest standard possible. Sure, of course, and my comment had nothing to do with this. In regards to this command, here's a favorite passage from EGW: God has made provision that we may become like unto Him, and He will accomplish this for all who do not interpose a perverse will and thus frustrate His grace.
With untold love our God has loved us, and our love awakens toward Him as we comprehend something of the length and breadth and depth and height of this love that passeth knowledge. By the revelation of the attractive loveliness of Christ, by the knowledge of His love expressed to us while we were yet sinners, the stubborn heart is melted and subdued, and the sinner is transformed and becomes a child of heaven....
The law is but a transcript of the character of God. Behold in your heavenly Father a perfect manifestation of the principles which are the foundation of His government.
God is love. Like rays of light from the sun, love and light and joy flow out from Him to all His creatures. It is His nature to give. His very life is the outflow of unselfish love....
He tells us to be perfect as He is, in the same manner. We are to be centers of light and blessing to our little circle, even as He is to the universe. We have nothing of ourselves, but the light of His love shines upon us, and we are to reflect its brightness. "In His borrowed goodness good," we may be perfect in our sphere, even as God is perfect in His.
Jesus said, Be perfect as your Father is perfect. If you are the children of God you are partakers of His nature, and you cannot but be like Him. Every child lives by the life of his father. If you are God's children, begotten by His Spirit, you live by the life of God...That life in you will produce the same character and manifest the same works as it did in Him. Thus you will be in harmony with every precept of His law...(MB 76-78)
Those who wait for the Bridegroom's coming are to say to the people, "Behold your God." The last rays of merciful light, the last message of mercy to be given to the world, is a revelation of His character of love.
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Re: Is it possible to live without sinning?
[Re: Tom]
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06/19/10 12:16 AM
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It would seem, then, that the answer to the question that serves as title for this thread is - Yes, absolutely!
By the way, are people guilty of continuously committing multiple sins simultaneously? For example, the woman caught in the act of adultery, was she also guilty of simultaneously committing other sins? If so, did Jesus have them in mind when He commanded her to, "Go and sin no more"?
Also, is it necessary to be tempted to sin in order to sin? Or, do people just naturally sin all the time without being tempted? Are people in a continuous state of sinning?
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