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Re: Lesson #2 - Jew and Gentile [Re: Daryl] #126344
07/13/10 05:56 PM
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Despite the emphasis on the Jewish traditions in the lesson, Tuesday's point is confused, somewhat wink : the moral law is the law in Galatians that leads to Christ and is replaced as a 'saving' tool by him as we accept him. The "law in Galatians" is very important, having being clarified in our midst since 1888, but disputed or avoided nevertheless to this day.

...The feast of tablernacles is indeed outstanding, but all point to Christ, even today..., to inspire us, like Passover and the Day of Atonement. They are not obligatory feasts.

The moral law is a guide for us to reach for Christ, who writes it on our hearts in our conversion experience, according to Jer 31:33, praise the Lord. Once we're believers the whole law is fulfilled as we live the life of faith, one day at a time, within this lifetime, for the final generation. What happens to the law wasn't actually allowed by the late author of the lesson, though he suggested that obedience wasn't excluded from our experience of the gospel - but, how much obedience?...full obedience, of course. grin

It is the moral law which leads to Christ and which Christ imputes to our hearts with his Spirit, then indeed to form perfect, Christlike characters in our lives as we cooperate with him. An internalised law is indeed being made righteous (Rom 5:19), the experience of justification by faith.

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Re: Lesson #2 - Jew and Gentile [Re: Colin] #126361
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The law was given at Sinai to teach the people the impossibility of keeping it in their own strength. Their clear violation of it - golden calf - showed them their need of a Savior. Hence, the law, by showing them that they fall short of God's standard, led them to Christ, who it the only One who can meet the standard.

And once they accept Jesus, He gives them His righteousness, both imputed and imparted, so that they could meet the standard.


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There is no excuse for any one in taking the position that there is no more truth to be revealed, and that all our expositions of Scripture are without an error. The fact that certain doctrines have been held as truth for many years by our people, is not a proof that our ideas are infallible. Age will not make error into truth, and truth can afford to be fair. No true doctrine will lose anything by close investigation. RH 12/20/1892
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Re: Lesson #2 - Jew and Gentile [Re: asygo] #126398
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When we are cooperating with the agencies of heaven and experiencing the promises of God . . . then what? Are we sinning? Are we falling short of the glory of God? Are we required to repent?

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Re: Lesson #2 - Jew and Gentile [Re: Mountain Man] #126414
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Repentance is a change of mind. We don't go from having a wrong way of thinking to having the mind of Christ in an instant. As our thinking becomes more and more like Christ's, we are continuously repenting.

Repentance does not, of necessity, imply wrongdoing.


Those who wait for the Bridegroom's coming are to say to the people, "Behold your God." The last rays of merciful light, the last message of mercy to be given to the world, is a revelation of His character of love.
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Re: Lesson #2 - Jew and Gentile [Re: Tom] #126421
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Tom, do you have SOP quotes to support the idea that repentance does not necessarily imply wrongdoing or confessing specific sins?

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Re: Lesson #2 - Jew and Gentile [Re: Mountain Man] #126462
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In the COL chapter about Peter before and after his fall, she writes that at every advance step repentance will deepen.

In a number of occasions, she wrote that Christ repented for us. Clearly He didn't repent of His own sins.


Those who wait for the Bridegroom's coming are to say to the people, "Behold your God." The last rays of merciful light, the last message of mercy to be given to the world, is a revelation of His character of love.
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Re: Lesson #2 - Jew and Gentile [Re: Tom] #126485
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Quotes please.

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Re: Lesson #2 - Jew and Gentile [Re: Mountain Man] #126493
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The COL statement you can look up yourself. You've seen it a number of times. Both Rosangela and I have quoted it for you. It says at every advance step repentance will deepen. It's in the chapter that talks about Peter's fall and recovery, the one about the publican and the pharisee.

I'll see about finding an example of the second quote.


Those who wait for the Bridegroom's coming are to say to the people, "Behold your God." The last rays of merciful light, the last message of mercy to be given to the world, is a revelation of His character of love.
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Re: Lesson #2 - Jew and Gentile [Re: Tom] #126495
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The 1901 General Conference Bulletin, April 4, speaks of Christ's taking "the necessary steps of repentance" on behalf of the human race. The following quote makes clear that it's possible for one person to feel repentance for another:

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As we see souls out of Christ, we are to put ourselves in their place, and in their behalf feel repentance before God, resting not until we bring them to repentance. ... showing them how to repent, and trying to lead them step by step to Jesus Christ (MS 92, 1901; SDA Bible Commentary, vol. 7, p. 960 [404]).


This is what Christ did. He put Himself in our place, and in our behalf felt repentance before God.

Only Christ could repent perfectly (for our sins, of course, since He didn't have any of His own).


Those who wait for the Bridegroom's coming are to say to the people, "Behold your God." The last rays of merciful light, the last message of mercy to be given to the world, is a revelation of His character of love.
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Re: Lesson #2 - Jew and Gentile [Re: Tom] #126507
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True, our repentance deepens as our walk with Jesus deepens. Such repentance does not involve sinning and repenting per se. So, yeah, good point. Thank you.

And, the concept of feeling repentance in behalf of unrepentant sinners is interesting. Thank you for drawing my attention to it. It's certainly a different order of repentance, that's for sure. Every once in awhile I feel bad for people who have no idea they are being unChristlike.

Help me understand how this insight speaks to the question I asked above: When we are cooperating with the agencies of heaven and experiencing the promises of God . . . then what? Are we sinning? Are we falling short of the glory of God? Are we required to repent?

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