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Lesson #7 - Victory Over SIN #126654
08/08/10 12:44 PM
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Here is the link to this week's study and discussion material:

http://www.ssnet.org/qrtrly/eng/10c/less07.html


In His Love, Mercy & Grace,

Daryl smile

John 8:32 And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.

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Re: Lesson #7 - Victory Over SIN [Re: Daryl] #126659
08/09/10 03:20 PM
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The Memory Text is:
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“Sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace” (Romans 6:14).

Some interesting questions are also asked in the Sabbath Afternoon section, namely:

1 - If works can’t save us, why bother with them at all?

2 - Why not just keep on sinning?

This week's lesson is supposed to answer the above questions.


In His Love, Mercy & Grace,

Daryl smile

John 8:32 And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.

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Re: Lesson #7 - Victory Over SIN [Re: Daryl] #126662
08/09/10 06:49 PM
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Originally Posted By: Daryl F
The Memory Text is:
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“Sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace” (Romans 6:14).

Some interesting questions are also asked in the Sabbath Afternoon section, namely:

1 - If works can’t save us, why bother with them at all?

Dont bother with them. smile Spend time together with Jesus, who is busy helping the least of His brethren, and you will end up helping Him.
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2 - Why not just keep on sinning?

Because to keeping on sinning is equal to rejecting Jesus (where sin is actively and knowingly doing that which is sin).
Quote:

This week's lesson is supposed to answer the above questions.


Galatians 2
21 I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.

It is so hazardous to take here a little and there a little. If you put the right little's together you can make the bible teach anything you wish. //Graham Maxwell
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Re: Lesson #7 - Victory Over SIN [Re: vastergotland] #126665
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Very good answers. thumbsup

If our focus is on Jesus and His love for us, and, if in return we love Him, then we will have no desire to sin, which is the result of our love for Him.


In His Love, Mercy & Grace,

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John 8:32 And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.

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Re: Lesson #7 - Victory Over SIN [Re: Daryl] #126691
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Amen! However, how do people discern the difference between being tempted to sin and actually being guilty of sinning? How do they know when they are experiencing "righteousness and true holiness" in the sight of God?

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Re: Lesson #7 - Victory Over SIN [Re: Mountain Man] #126703
08/10/10 06:36 PM
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Quote:
1 - If works can’t save us, why bother with them at all?


Because this is pleasing to God.

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2 - Why not just keep on sinning?


Because the essence of sin is selfishness, and selfishness is contrary to everything God is about. If one wishes to live for self, then what is one having to do with God?

These questions seem like having the idea of "I'd like to keep on sinning, and not do good works, but if I did so, I'd be lost." That is, there's a selfish presumption to the question. These aren't questions we should be asking.

We should be asking questions like:

1.What is God really like?
2.What are His principles?
3.What does He want me to do?

When we become convinced that God is good, and His principles are good, the last question becomes particularly important.

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It is not the fear of punishment, or the hope of everlasting reward, that leads the disciples of Christ to follow Him. They behold the Saviour's matchless love, revealed throughout His pilgrimage on earth, from the manger of Bethlehem to Calvary's cross, and the sight of Him attracts, it softens and subdues the soul. Love awakens in the heart of the beholders. They hear His voice, and they follow Him. (DA 480)


(btw, Daryl, I realize you're not asking these questions as questions you are personally asking, but as theoretical questions someone might ask).


Those who wait for the Bridegroom's coming are to say to the people, "Behold your God." The last rays of merciful light, the last message of mercy to be given to the world, is a revelation of His character of love.
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Re: Lesson #7 - Victory Over SIN [Re: Tom] #126724
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In Romans 6 Paul does not describe believers abiding in Jesus, partaking of the divine nature and all the while sinning either ignorantly, unwittingly, or willfully. Instead, he describes them as perfecting holiness unto the honor and glory of God. They are growing in grace from glory to glory (as opposed to sinning less and less), maturing moment by moment in the fruits of the Spirit more and more unto the perfect day. According to Paul, this is the righteous result and reality of abiding in Jesus. Post-conversion sinning is not dealt with in this passage. It is, of course, dealt with elsewhere in the Bible.

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Re: Lesson #7 - Victory Over SIN [Re: Mountain Man] #126735
08/14/10 12:54 AM
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I found interesting what Anders Nygren says in his Commentary on Romans, p. 263:

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Precisely because we are "free from sin," we have to fight against it. Many have argued that if we are free from sin, we no longer need to fight against it. Paul's idea is the direct opposite to this.He who is not free from sin cannot fight against it, for he is the slave of sin. That which he does serves sin. Only he who, through Christ, has been freed from sin can enter the battle against it; and he, because of his status as a slave of righteousness, is obliged to join in that battle.

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Re: Lesson #7 - Victory Over SIN [Re: Rosangela] #126736
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Alejandro Bullon, a South American pastor famous for his lectures and books about righteousness by faith, commenting on this week's lesson, said:

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It makes me said when I meet people who, with words full of anguish, sorrow and dispair, tell me, "Pastor, I can't live a victorious Christian life." Don't be concerned about living "a victorious Christian life." You must be concerned that you live with Christ - that you pray every day, that you study your Bible every day, that you share your faith. The result of this daily communion with Christ will be a victorious Christian life. You must have peace in your heart, you must know that you have been forgiven, you must know that Christ loves you - this is the first thing you need to know in order to live a victorious Christian life.


This is so true. I've never had any victory before I believed Christ loved me. It was when I believed that He loved me that I started to love Him. And when you love Christ, sin eventually becomes disgusting. That's why Ellen White says:

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With untold love our God has loved us, and our love awakens toward Him as we comprehend something of the length and breadth and depth and height of this love that passeth knowledge. By the revelation of the attractive loveliness of Christ, by the knowledge of His love expressed to us while we were yet sinners, the stubborn heart is melted and subdued,
and the sinner is transformed and becomes a child of heaven. God does not employ compulsory measures; love is the agent which He uses to expel sin from the heart. By it He changes pride into humility, and enmity and unbelief into love and faith. {MB 76.3}


That's how bad habits are overcome, that's how sin is abandoned. In order to be dead to sin, you must be alive to God (Rom. 6:11).


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Re: Lesson #7 - Victory Over SIN [Re: Rosangela] #126742
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In other words, we love Him because He first loved us, resulting in our wanting to please Him.


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Daryl smile

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