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Re: Lesson #7 - Victory Over SIN
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08/29/10 01:11 AM
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"... let us [1] purify ourselves from everything that contaminates body and spirit, [2] perfecting holiness out of reverence for God." Do you think 1 and 2 above are one and the same thing? That is, does perfecting holiness involve, include gradually becoming less and less sinful? Or, do you think 1 and 2 are two difference processes? I think it's possible for us to sin ignorantly. Do you agree with this? Or do you think that if one abides in Jesus, and has been properly indoctrinated as an SDA, that this is impossible? Also, do you believe that it's impossible for you to improve in your treatment of others? Also, do you believe it's impossible for you to be wrong in regards to ideas that you have about God's character? (given that you are abiding in Jesus) If so, is your purpose in studying on this forum simply to instruct others?
Those who wait for the Bridegroom's coming are to say to the people, "Behold your God." The last rays of merciful light, the last message of mercy to be given to the world, is a revelation of His character of love.
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Re: Lesson #7 - Victory Over SIN
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M: "... let us [1] purify ourselves from everything that contaminates body and spirit, [2] perfecting holiness out of reverence for God." Do you think 1 and 2 above are one and the same thing? That is, does perfecting holiness involve, include gradually becoming less and less sinful? Or, do you think 1 and 2 are two difference processes?
T: I think it's possible for us to sin ignorantly. Do you agree with this? Or do you think that if one abides in Jesus, and has been properly indoctrinated as an SDA, that this is impossible? You didn't answer my question. I would appreciate an answer. Thank you. Regarding your question, please provide an example of people abiding in Jesus, partaking of the divine nature, living in harmony with everything Jesus commanded while simultaneously sinning without realizing it. T: Also, do you believe that it's impossible for you to improve in your treatment of others? Also, do you believe it's impossible for you to be wrong in regards to ideas that you have about God's character? (given that you are abiding in Jesus) If so, is your purpose in studying on this forum simply to instruct others? Again, just as Jesus grew, matured, and improved, so too, believers do the same. The growth, maturation, and improvement they experience has nothing to do with becoming less and less sinful or imperfect; instead, it involves advancing "from one stage of perfection to another" like a seed or child unfolding "more and more unto the perfect day."
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Re: Lesson #7 - Victory Over SIN
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Nothing Jesus did at any point in time could have been improved upon was my point. Do you disagree?
The fact He was more mature the following day proves He improved. "Though he were a Son, yet learned he obedience by the things which he suffered." Are you disagreeing with what I said? If you are, what is an example of something Jesus did which could have been done better than He did it.
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Re: Lesson #7 - Victory Over SIN
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M: "... let us [1] purify ourselves from everything that contaminates body and spirit, [2] perfecting holiness out of reverence for God." Do you think 1 and 2 above are one and the same thing? That is, does perfecting holiness involve, include gradually becoming less and less sinful? Or, do you think 1 and 2 are two difference processes?
T: I think it's possible for us to sin ignorantly. Do you agree with this? Or do you think that if one abides in Jesus, and has been properly indoctrinated as an SDA, that this is impossible?
M:You didn't answer my question. I would appreciate an answer. Thank you. My response was addressing what you wrote. You think and express things differently than I do, so I'm explaining things as I see them in my own words. Regarding your question, please provide an example of people abiding in Jesus, partaking of the divine nature, living in harmony with everything Jesus commanded while simultaneously sinning without realizing it. I've given two. One is how you treat your spouse, and the other is ignorantly misrepresenting God's character.
T: Also, do you believe that it's impossible for you to improve in your treatment of others? Also, do you believe it's impossible for you to be wrong in regards to ideas that you have about God's character? (given that you are abiding in Jesus) If so, is your purpose in studying on this forum simply to instruct others?
M:Again, just as Jesus grew, matured, and improved, so too, believers do the same. The growth, maturation, and improvement they experience has nothing to do with becoming less and less sinful or imperfect; instead, it involves advancing "from one stage of perfection to another" like a seed or child unfolding "more and more unto the perfect day."
Again, Jesus was perfect, always. He never sinned. He never had misunderstandings about God's character. He never mistreated people, even ignorantly.
Those who wait for the Bridegroom's coming are to say to the people, "Behold your God." The last rays of merciful light, the last message of mercy to be given to the world, is a revelation of His character of love.
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Re: Lesson #7 - Victory Over SIN
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"... let us [1] purify ourselves from everything that contaminates body and spirit, [2] perfecting holiness out of reverence for God." Do you think 1 and 2 above are one and the same thing? I have no idea what you think. I cannot draw a conclusion based on what you've written so far. When studying with you, I've learned it is better to assume nothing and to ask the most basic questions. M: Regarding your question, please provide an example of people abiding in Jesus, partaking of the divine nature, living in harmony with everything Jesus commanded while simultaneously sinning without realizing it.
T: I've given two. One is how you treat your spouse, and the other is ignorantly misrepresenting God's character. Do you believe people abiding in Jesus, partaking of the divine nature, living in harmony with everything Jesus commanded are capable of simultaneously mistreating their spouse and misrepresent the character of God without realizing it?
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Re: Lesson #7 - Victory Over SIN
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M: Again, just as Jesus grew, matured, and improved, so too, believers do the same. The growth, maturation, and improvement they experience has nothing to do with becoming less and less sinful or imperfect; instead, it involves advancing "from one stage of perfection to another" like a seed or child unfolding "more and more unto the perfect day."
T: Again, Jesus was perfect, always. He never sinned. He never had misunderstandings about God's character. He never mistreated people, even ignorantly. Growing and maturing daily necessarily involves becoming more and more holy and righteous. Like the difference between candle light and sun light, Jesus shined more brightly each day as He grew and matured in the fruits of the Spirit. For example, Jesus' ability to express divine love for His mother deepened more and more each day. When people experience the miracle of rebirth and fully convert to obeying and observing everything Jesus commanded they, like Jesus, begin with a new slate. Their painful past and hurtful history is similar to Jesus bearing the sins of the world.
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