I'm not sure what you mean by this classification of people, since you appear to be distancing yourself from it. Do you have 144,000 in mind? I've been just dealing with ordinary Christians who have accepted Christ as their savior.

Do you believe ordinary believers reflect the specific description I gave above? Or, do you believe it only describes the 144,000? Can people have a character like the 144,000 right now?

We've got the same questions going on two threads. As I said, I had been making my comments in regards to ordinary Christians who had accepted Christ. You'll have to tell me if you had some other group in people in mind. Please answer my questions.

The people I have in mind are individuals abiding in Jesus, partaking of the divine nature, and living in harmony with everything Jesus commanded. Do you believe there are people like this nowadays?

You said you've like to discuss this subject on this thread, rather than the other one, so I'm repeating my last post there:

Please answer my questions. I want to know if you're talking about a group of people that doesn't include yourself, something like the 144,000. I've just been speaking of ordinary Christians who have accepted Christ. I want to verify that we're talking about the same people.

Since this carried over to a new page (at least on my browser), here are the questions I was referring to:

No, I'm not talking about myself. No, I'm not talking about the 144,000. No, I'm not talking about a hypothetical group. I'm talking about real individuals who are 1) abiding in Jesus, 2) walking in the Spirit and in the mind of the new man, 3) partaking of the divine nature, and 4) living in harmony with everything Jesus commanded. I believe there have been individuals like this in every generation since the Fall. I believe they exist today. Do you agree?

PS - Please bear in mind I'm not saying these individuals never neglect to abide in Jesus and sin and repent. What I am saying is that while the conditions specified above are true, they do not and cannot commit a sin (knowingly or unknowingly); instead, they are advancing "from one stage of perfection to another" - from "faith to faith", from "grace to grace", from "glory to glory", not from greater sins to lesser sins until they cease to sin.

It sounds like you're talking about "the few in every generation" that Sister White refers to. If so, yes, I agree with what she said.



I disagree with this. The "few in every generation" could be committing sins of ignorance. For example, there could be Sunday-keepers in this group, or those who believed in eternal hell, because these truths had not been revealed. I believe these "few in every generation" were consistently living up to all the light they had.

Okay, but do you believe the following type of individuals exist today?

Real individuals who are 1) abiding in Jesus, 2) walking in the Spirit and in the mind of the new man, 3) partaking of the divine nature, and 4) living in harmony with everything Jesus commanded.

There certainly are no lack of people who claim to abide in Jesus, being partakers of divine nature and living in perfect harmony with everything Jesus commanded who are wife-beaters and thereby if nothing else misrepresent the character of God.

Thomas, do you believe no one nowadays is living in perfect harmony with the will of God?