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Re: Christian Living & Alcohol
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01/25/11 07:39 PM
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Do you agree with Ellen's application of the passage she quoted?
Also, do you agree with the following inspired insights: Since EGW was, by her own admission, the lesser light pointing to the greater light, let's just go straight to the greater light to start with.
"All that is Gold does not Glitter, Not all who Wander are Lost." (J.R.R.T.)
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Re: Christian Living & Alcohol
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01/26/11 04:36 PM
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"And the Lord spake unto Aaron, saying, Do not drink wine nor strong drink, thou, nor thy sons with thee, when ye go into the tabernacle of the congregation, lest ye die: it shall be a statute for ever throughout your generations: and that ye may put difference between holy and unholy, and between unclean and clean; and that ye may teach the children of Israel all the statutes which the Lord hath spoken unto them by the hand of Moses."
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Re: Christian Living & Alcohol
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01/26/11 04:37 PM
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PS - JAK, do you trust your understanding and application of Scripture more than you do Ellen's?
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Re: Christian Living & Alcohol
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01/26/11 06:01 PM
01/26/11 06:01 PM
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MM: Perhaps a better way of expressing that would be to say that EGW is putting words in God's mouth, because I cannot find a single example in Scripture of God "expressly forbiding" the use of alcohol.
Please, if you find one, let me know. So, if God doesn't "expressly forbid" something, that means there is nothing wrong with it? Does the same go for smoking? Do you see anything wrong with it?
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Re: Christian Living & Alcohol
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01/26/11 08:26 PM
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"And the Lord spake unto Aaron, saying, Do not drink wine nor strong drink, thou, nor thy sons with thee, when ye go into the tabernacle of the congregation, lest ye die: it shall be a statute for ever throughout your generations: and that ye may put difference between holy and unholy, and between unclean and clean; and that ye may teach the children of Israel all the statutes which the Lord hath spoken unto them by the hand of Moses." This being translated into plain English says "do not drink [alcohol] when you go into the tabernacle. The clear implication (Rosangela) is that they drank alcohol at other times; just don't do it when you are going into the tabernacle. My point remains: alcohol was an accepted part of Jewish life. SDAs put a Biblically unsupported prohibition on it.
"All that is Gold does not Glitter, Not all who Wander are Lost." (J.R.R.T.)
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Re: Christian Living & Alcohol
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01/26/11 08:30 PM
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PS - JAK, do you trust your understanding and application of Scripture more than you do Ellen's? I'm sure EGW's understanding and application was good for her day; she does not live in my day. I trust my understanding and application of Scripture more than I do someone elses. EGW herself says "Let no man interpret Scripture for you" (or words to that effect.) Why should we replace Joseph Ratzinger with Ellen White?
"All that is Gold does not Glitter, Not all who Wander are Lost." (J.R.R.T.)
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Re: Christian Living & Alcohol
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01/26/11 08:42 PM
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So, if God doesn't "expressly forbid" something, that means there is nothing wrong with it?
Does the same go for smoking? Do you see anything wrong with it?
kland, I perceive thou art a classic SDA: One extreme or the other, no middle ground. You ask "What's wrong with smoking?" From a salvation perspective - nothing. We are saved by grace, through faith. Ephesians 2:8 From a health perspective - lots. It'll kill you.
"All that is Gold does not Glitter, Not all who Wander are Lost." (J.R.R.T.)
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Re: Christian Living & Alcohol
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01/27/11 02:01 AM
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JAK, there are texts that clearly forbid consuming alcohol. There are none that clearly say it's okay. And, yes, there are some that seem to imply it's okay. A modern-day messenger of the Lord says God expressly forbids it. Logic demands leaning on the side of concluding drinking alcohol is always forbidden.
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Re: Christian Living & Alcohol
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01/27/11 07:20 AM
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MM, despite adamant insistance, no texts have been produced. The argument is unsupported.
"All that is Gold does not Glitter, Not all who Wander are Lost." (J.R.R.T.)
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Re: Christian Living & Alcohol
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01/27/11 02:17 PM
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So, if God doesn't "expressly forbid" something, that means there is nothing wrong with it?
Does the same go for smoking? Do you see anything wrong with it?
kland, I perceive thou art a classic SDA: One extreme or the other, no middle ground. You ask "What's wrong with smoking?" From a salvation perspective - nothing. We are saved by grace, through faith. Ephesians 2:8 From a health perspective - lots. It'll kill you. JAK, why do you think drinking alcohol is at the opposite extreme from cigarette smoking? Why is it with those who participate in such choices, they both seem to go hand in hand? I don't understand why you think they are so different. They both will kill you. Just the former is more likely to kill others quicker than the latter.
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