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Imputed Righteousness or Imparted Righteousness? Or both? #132752
04/18/11 01:40 PM
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Lets start with describing both. Imputed righteousness is the concept that the "righteousness of Christ ... is imputed to true believers that is, treated as if it were theirs through faith. This acceptance is also referred to as justification. Thus this doctrine is practically synonymous with justification by faith. So thus, those who accept Christ have their sins covered by His righteosness and are justified.

Now in the process of sanctification, the heart and mind of the true belivers are changed by the Holy Spirit. This is where 'Imparted Righteousness' comes in. Imparted righteousness, is that gracious gift of God given at the moment of the 'new birth' when one accepts Christ, which enables a Christian disciple to strive for holiness and sanctification.

From the Wesleyan Arminianian background, Adventist get the belief that imparted righteousness works in tandem with imputed righteousness. Imputed righteousness is the righteousness of Jesus credited to the Christian, enabling the Christian to be justified; imparted righteousness is what God does in Christ by the power of the Holy Spirit after justification, working in the Christian to enable and empower the process of sanctification (and, in Wesleyan thought, Christian perfection).


So my question is, which one did the thief on the cross get (and by extension what is there for us), or could it have been both, and if so, how?

Last edited by Rick H; 04/18/11 01:53 PM.
Re: Imputed Righteousness or Imparted Righteousness? Or both? [Re: Rick H] #132756
04/18/11 04:36 PM
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Imputed and imparted righteousness are simultaneous realities for those who experience genuine, thorough rebirth. Both the Thief and Paul (two extremes) were justified and sanctified the instant they experienced rebirth. Both were reborn with all the fruits of the Spirit, all the righteous attributes of God's character. Not one was missing. The only difference between the two was the length of time each had to mature in the fruits of the Spirit after they experienced rebirth.

"When we live by faith on the Son of God, the fruits of the Spirit will be seen in our lives; not one will be missing. {DA 676.4} "All righteous attributes of character dwell in God as a perfect, harmonious whole, and every one who receives Christ as a personal Saviour is privileged to possess these attributes. {COL 330.2}

The idea that born-again believers are reborn with all or some of their sinful habits in tact and then gradually thereafter swap sinful traits of character for sinless ones does not harmonize with the biblical explanation and description of rebirth and growth in grace. However, the reality is, most people do not experience genuine, thorough rebirth in God's appointed way. Many, so many, are baptized and join the church before self is crucified.

"The minds of many are clouded with unbelief because those who unite with the church as the chosen of God do not reveal the virtues that are the fruits of the Spirit. Joining the church is not a sure evidence that a man has joined himself to Christ. The new birth is a rare experience in this age of the world. This is the reason why there are so many perplexities in the churches. Many, so many, who assume the name of Christ are unsanctified and unholy. They have been baptized, but they were buried alive. Self did not die, and therefore they did not rise to newness of life in Christ. Thousands who claim to be religious are not Christians. {12MR 51}

Re: Imputed Righteousness or Imparted Righteousness? Or both? [Re: Mountain Man] #132758
04/18/11 05:10 PM
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Originally Posted By: MM
Imputed and imparted righteousness are simultaneous realities for those who experience genuine, thorough rebirth.


This is a good point.

If one looks at the writings of Jones and Waggoner, one can see the emphasis that justification involves a change of heart; it's not simply a book entry. To "justify" means "to make righteous," which involves the writing of the law in the heart and mind. Waggoner, in particular, repeatedly emphasized this.

In the SOP, she uses the term "imputed" at times to refer to a change of heart, sometime to refer more to the "book entry."


Those who wait for the Bridegroom's coming are to say to the people, "Behold your God." The last rays of merciful light, the last message of mercy to be given to the world, is a revelation of His character of love.
Re: Imputed Righteousness or Imparted Righteousness? Or both? [Re: Tom] #132761
04/18/11 05:31 PM
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Here's an example:

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He testifies that through his imputed righteousness the believing soul shall obey the commandments of God. {ST January 16, 1896, par. 7}


Those who wait for the Bridegroom's coming are to say to the people, "Behold your God." The last rays of merciful light, the last message of mercy to be given to the world, is a revelation of His character of love.
Re: Imputed Righteousness or Imparted Righteousness? Or both? [Re: Tom] #132790
04/19/11 06:51 PM
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To "justify" means "to make righteous," which involves the writing of the law in the heart and mind. Waggoner, in particular, repeatedly emphasized this.

This definition disturbs me. In my opinion, it should be avoided, because of its similarity with the Catholic view. By the way, is there any way in which the definition of "to make righteous" includes the concept of "to declare righteous"?

Re: Imputed Righteousness or Imparted Righteousness? Or both? [Re: Rosangela] #132800
04/20/11 08:28 AM
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Originally Posted By: Rosangela
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To "justify" means "to make righteous," which involves the writing of the law in the heart and mind. Waggoner, in particular, repeatedly emphasized this.

This definition disturbs me. In my opinion, it should be avoided, because of its similarity with the Catholic view. By the way, is there any way in which the definition of "to make righteous" includes the concept of "to declare righteous"?


I would have to agree, as the disciples were justified with all their faults and failures. So they were not 'made' righteous, it was definitely more of they were 'declared'. The thief on the cross was not made righteous when he showed his faith, he was still the same thief with all his failings, but by faith he was justified.

Re: Imputed Righteousness or Imparted Righteousness? Or both? [Re: Rick H] #132813
04/20/11 06:26 PM
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Rick!..., and Rosangela. grin

It's being made righteous. wink cool

Rick, you sound somewhat RC with at least your first line. Rosangela: RCism has "infused righteousness", obtained exclusively by participating in their 7(?) sacraments...Rather, to believe and be justified is being converted - daily, to experience the rebirth and new heart: imputed righteousness is not just 'declared', but is also experienced by receiving the HS, which is the mind of Christ which we have and by which we are righteous indeed, by faith.

Imparted righteousness can then only be handled by us and built into a Godly character, since we beforehand have the spiritual mind imputed, to live righteously, to live toward God: imputed righteousness is truly also "in us", receiving the mind of Christ. The new heart is the experience of justification which qualifies us for heaven, renewable & renewed daily by the faithful.

Our list of faults, etc, of character/personality do not prevent us being made righteous as we experience justification by faith, for they do not affect our spiritual awakening. Our mind is made righteous in practice, not our character (see below), at conversion of justification, so that living righteously may witness our conversion: reflecting Christ's character is evidence of our experience of justification and renewal of our minds.

Our Christian character is potentially all righteous at conversion - for Christ is our righteousness and we have him in us by his Spirit from then, but we tend not to realise and practise all Christlikeness immediately...Repenting of sinful traits step by step to develop Christian character does not mean we are either not fully qualified with Christ's imputed mind all the way along or his full character is not ours all the way.

It is mild but definite confusion to say justification is only "for us" but sanctification is in contrast "in us": it's true revival to recognise indeed both justification and sanctification as comprising the Gospel up to probation closing - some Adventists think only justification is "required" for salvation, but sorting out what each involves is indeed the preparation for revival and reformation, and more... grin cool

Also keeping clearly in mind that imparted righteousness is being fitted for heaven - the final generation indeed walking into heaven without seeing death, and is based on the qualification of imputed righteousness making us righteous, gives us the remnant message finishing the Reformation and preparing for Jesus' soon return. smile

Re: Imputed Righteousness or Imparted Righteousness? Or both? [Re: Colin] #132816
04/20/11 08:50 PM
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Originally Posted By: Rosangela
T:To "justify" means "to make righteous," which involves the writing of the law in the heart and mind. Waggoner, in particular, repeatedly emphasized this.

R:This definition disturbs me.In my opinion, it should be avoided, because of its similarity with the Catholic view.


Both Jones and Waggoner used this definition. It's easy to see the difference in their explanation and the Catholic explanation.

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By the way, is there any way in which the definition of "to make righteous" includes the concept of "to declare righteous"?


It does so implicitly, as explained here by Jones:

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In creating all things in the beginning, God set forth Christ to declare the word which should cause all things to exist. Christ did speak the word only, and all things were. And in redemption, which is creation over again, God set forth Christ to declare the word of righteousness. And when Christ speaks the word only, it is so. His word, whether in creating or in redeeming, is the same.

“The worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear.” Once there were no worlds, nor was there any of the material which now composes the worlds. God set forth Christ to declare the word which should produce the worlds, and the very material of which they should be composed.

“He spake, and it was.” Before He spoke, there were no worlds; after He spoke, the worlds were there. Thus the word of God spoken by Jesus Christ is able to cause that to exist which has no existence before the word is spoken, and which, except for that word, never could have existence.

In this same way precisely it is in man’s life. In man’s life there is no righteousness. In man there is no righteousness from which righteousness can appear in his life. But God has set forth Christ to declare righteousness unto and upon man. Christ has spoken the word only, and in the darkened void of man’s life there is righteousness to everyone who will receive it. Where, before the word is received, there was neither righteousness nor anything which could possibly produce righteousness, after the word is received, there is perfect righteousness and the very Fountain from which it springs. The word of God received by faith–that is, the word of God expected to do what that word says and depended upon to do what it says–produces righteousness in the man and in the life where there never was any before; precisely as, in the original creation, the word of God produced worlds where there never were any worlds before. He has spoken, and it is so to everyone that believeth: that is, to every one that receiveth. The word itself produces it. (RH Jan. 17, 1899)


Those who wait for the Bridegroom's coming are to say to the people, "Behold your God." The last rays of merciful light, the last message of mercy to be given to the world, is a revelation of His character of love.
Re: Imputed Righteousness or Imparted Righteousness? Or both? [Re: Tom] #132817
04/20/11 09:07 PM
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Both Jones and Waggoner used this definition. It's easy to see the difference in their explanation and the Catholic explanation.

But should it be used if it gives a false impression to others?

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It does so implicitly, as explained here by Jones

I got the impression that "to declare righteous" includes the concept of "to make righteous," not the other way around. "He spake, and it was."

Re: Imputed Righteousness or Imparted Righteousness? Or both? [Re: Rosangela] #132819
04/20/11 09:46 PM
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Originally Posted By: Rosangela
T:Both Jones and Waggoner used this definition. It's easy to see the difference in their explanation and the Catholic explanation.

R:But should it be used if it gives a false impression to others?


I think we should be careful of any language we use, in terms of taking into account the background of the people we're talking to. So for a given person, "set right" might be a better choice than "make righteous," for example.

However, if there's time to explain what's meant, such as in the Jones quote I provided, or in the explanations of Waggoner, I don't think there would be a problem, as I think the explanations are very clear.

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T:It does so implicitly, as explained here by Jones

R:I got the impression that "to declare righteous" includes the concept of "to make righteous," not the other way around. "He spake, and it was."


They go together. The declaration of righteousness is how God makes the person righteous.


Those who wait for the Bridegroom's coming are to say to the people, "Behold your God." The last rays of merciful light, the last message of mercy to be given to the world, is a revelation of His character of love.
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